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Tarow
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I hope you grow bigger and better and the players will have good training environment to become better gamers. | ||
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coolguy00
7 Posts
If Fuzer first said "give me the money or I'll go public", it's kind of an exaggeration to call it a bribe. It's a response to a threat, and even if you think the threat is perfectly justified, the act of giving in isnt a bribe. That's just another example of you dramatizing things and lol @ you saying "what I find quite disturbing in your ethics". This issue is such small potatoes and even if MoW had been "unethical" in this case, I wouldn't give a flying fuck because the other players haven't had the same problem. Just give it a rest bud. He didn't say "give me the money or I'll go public". He said in his facebook page that it is time to write about MoW, and only after that did "Boss" try to bribe him to silence. This is yet another example of how you're trying to play down this serious issue. | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
Should've used puppies though. | ||
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
On September 14 2012 12:47 lisward wrote: It is unethical business practice to get someone to sign a contract after payment. The testimonials have absolutely no relevance in this situation, and neither do witnesses of character. Maybe... but isnt it a "little" weird to move in a house without accepting the terms? I mean... if I move to a new flat, I get the contract and have to sign it. If I dont do it, Im not allowed to bring my stuff there, sleep there,.... If I tell the landlord my lawyer has to see the contract, he will say: OK, but as long as you dont sign you dont live here... and if you dont hurry, I sell this flat to someone else" Both Parties fucked up. Fuzer for messing around and MoW for letting him stay before signing. | ||
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droken
Sweden126 Posts
On September 14 2012 16:00 Charon1979 wrote: Maybe... but isnt it a "little" weird to move in a house without accepting the terms? I mean... if I move to a new flat, I get the contract and have to sign it. If I dont do it, Im not allowed to bring my stuff there, sleep there,.... If I tell the landlord my lawyer has to see the contract, he will say: OK, but as long as you dont sign you dont live here... and if you dont hurry, I sell this flat to someone else" Both Parties fucked up. Fuzer for messing around and MoW for letting him stay before signing. The thing is, MoWBoss said "He can move in and see what it's like" and then he wanted to see the contract. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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shad321
Poland9 Posts
1. Duzer with MoW have some agreement that he comes to MoW probably for 2 months. He wanted to look at the house first before signing contract to look if environment, food etc. is acceptable for him. And if so, he will sing the contract. 2. According everything that was said by MoW statements, and Fuzer, he gave him contrat week/two weeks after he was already in the house and probably said that he likes it. 3. The contract was rejected by Duzer, because he doesn't like some statements. It was standard procedure in MoW to negotiate the contract, as we was said by other players who was there, and statements from MoW, that for example ammount streaming hours for players may differ, the same for twitch percent for streaming. We shouldn't forget part where players in MoW get opportunity to actually make money on stream, which Fuzer didn't have earlier ( Twitch partnership ). So if you earning 0$ and have opportunity to make i.e. 8$ after cut was taken, this is good for both players and house. Some of you doesn't know this. 4. So let's focus on this that Fuzer saw this contract few weeks after his department. So why he doesn't ask for his lawyer at start ? Why he said that THIS THIS AND THIS should be corrected only ? 5. Let say that they corrected things that was pointed from Fuzer, and then He found some another issues ? They corrected it and again something is not correct, which earlier was stated as 'OK'. 6. After few weeks of negotiating contract suddenly Fuzer said another excuse why he wouldn't sing the contract, because suddenly He does not understand this contract and need a lawyer. Ok,They ask for credential of lawyer by skan ( i think this was just to ensure that he isn't delaying signing contract deliberately. Some of you in previous posts has said, that Name will be sufficient, so my lawyer will be Bardy Rahikkala Law Office , so check internet.^^ As you can see getting name of Finland lawyer from internet is not a problem ant probably they thinked that if they allow him to give just a name he will find it in internet. Some of you may say that credential shouldn't be necessary, because every one he trust could be his adviser. That's true but i think, that at that point they doesn't trust Fuzer with anything, so to be sure they asked for it and the funny part is that Fuzer agrees to this terms of skan of lawyer credentials. Few days after he said that he wont do this. The question is why? It is a simple matter to ask my lawyer to skan me his credentials and i'm sure he was just stalling ) 7. So we are ending in a dead point, because Fuzer doesn't want to do anything with contract. 8. The biggest decision information is, what king of agreement was made before he came to Mow. If it was said that if He came and like house, he must sing contract ? OR If he just came to home and pay money and nothing more. 9. Nevertheless if they didn't sign contract whit him they have 2 options. Left him for rest of month and GTFO, or GTFO in the middle of the month, but they should give Him the money ( If no verbal agreements were made about some regulations i.e. about signing a contract ). 10. Skype drama - This is the worst part in this whole drama. I wondered how I would have behaved in this situation and i think this is just as FXOBOSS said about culture of power. He wanted to show Fuzer how important this contract is, because without it, he had no confirmation about anything, even paid money. I regret that Fuzer didn't wait to see if money were transferred to his account. We as people often said one thing when we are nervous and we behave differently when emotions have subsided 11. Conclusions: Both sides acted childish and irresponsible. Fuzer for unwillingness to sign the contract for whatever reason he has ( please take in mind that every other player who lived in house hasn't such trouble ), and the MoW management for talking before thinking, and for acting before thinking, for taking Fuzer without contract, so basically for NOT THINKING. I hope this will be lesson for house management, but after seeing how many hate, is in this thread, i would swear that you guys all live there, know better that rest of player what is good for them, and that food is bad, streaming hours are terrible, and 10 years of not able to CRATE your own gaming house(not to join them as many of you thinks). You also forgot that this contract was made with first players in house, so saying that something is unacceptable for players is just silly. I think that prices of Iphone for example are very silly compared to functionality, but there are millions of people who think differently about this, so please be so kind, to analyse by yourself and don't force you TRUTH as the only just and fair for everyone. Sorry for my gramma, but English is not my native. I usually just browse and read TL and very seldom write, because everything was already said, but in this case i wanted to add my 2 cents. And please don't bash me for what i'm just thinking.  Everyone has right to his opinion.Kind regards ShaD321 | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
Everything else (food, streaming, high rent, even the 10year non-compete) is just part of business. If you make a contract it's your fault for agreeing to such terms. What you shouldn't have to agree is someone being dishonest. He has Fuzer's money whether Fuzer could prove it or not. This entire statement thus doesn't even touch the real issue. Maybe he is an asshole, maybe he just said that in a heat of moment. If that was just a mistake, then apologize and get on with it. I would never want to deal with people like that who will scam you if they can get away with it. I think Fuzer made the right thing bringing this up so everyone who deals with Boss later has all the information and can make up their own mind. edit: bolding | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
My personal trainers, coaches, camps, etc... have NEVER tried to have me sign such a thing in my life and they never would. That's what you are, you are essentially a camp. How do you keep people attending your camp? By being a good fucking camp, not by banning people from competing against you. That's just completely fucking idiotic and shows the kind of people you really are. A bunch of goons just trying to cash in on e-Sports while taking advantage of naive young men. You sicken me and practices like yours will do nothing but stagnate the scene as you attempt to reap all the benefits. | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On September 14 2012 17:28 Dosey wrote: The Non-compete just rubs me the wrong way. My personal trainers, coaches, camps, etc... have NEVER tried to have me sign such a thing in my life and they never would. That's what you are, you are essentially a camp. How do you keep people attending your camp? By being a good fucking camp, not by banning people from competing against you. That's just completely fucking idiotic and shows the kind of people you really are. A bunch of goons just trying to cash in on e-Sports while taking advantage of naive young men. You sicken me and practices like yours will do nothing but stagnate the scene as you attempt to reap all the benefits. exactly. they clearly kept the conditions as sparse as possible and had very little regard for taking care of players. all they wanted was the money and a shimmering (FAKE) reputation. | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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Rimak
Denmark434 Posts
ESPECIALLY when your reputation as professional is at stake. Just a little too rude manipulation. P.s Kittens are soooooooooooooooooo adorable | ||
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SedativeDev
Slovenia316 Posts
I think that MOWBoss is just another douche who wants to have a good life with a lots of parties, but not on his expenses... | ||
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Satiinifi
Finland192 Posts
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
OMG, the guys runs a business and wants to make living at the expense of his customers (that is the player he houses). How cruel! Who would have thought that. Grab your pitchforks and hop on the rage train. It's so much fun | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
PS i am sorry for DT rushing whichever zerg was on the MoWHouse account just now | ||
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
explain it | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
http://translate.google.fi/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.sett.fi/?q=uutinen/ministry-winn-johtaja-aikaisemminkin-huijannut (google translated, not perfect but you'll get the idea) | ||
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Luisa_2
Germany200 Posts
I mean, srsly MoW get your things straight, even if you're at the start of you project these things are unacceptable! And btw the kittens at the end, is this tumblr or what? This is a serious post about an difficult issue about money and then something like that... | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On September 14 2012 18:53 Jarree wrote: Article Satiini mentioned: http://translate.google.fi/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.sett.fi/?q=uutinen/ministry-winn-johtaja-aikaisemminkin-huijannut (google translated, not perfect but you'll get the idea) Wow, that is some crappy journalism. Here is the polish source about the scam: http://www.gamemod.pl/artykul,o_kradziezy_pieniedzy_za_esc1_slow_kilka,17.html http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.gamemod.pl/artykul,o_kradziezy_pieniedzy_za_esc1_slow_kilka,17.html&act=url It's funny that SETT article does not mention that (after a long time) almost all prices where paid to the teams participating. The polish article states that 6000 of the 7000 prize pool was paid out in one way or another in May 2011. At that time one team did not get their prize (1000 PLN = 250 euros). Hopefully this was sorted out by now. I think this does make a difference. | ||
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