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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
September 13 2012 17:00 GMT
#101
Kittens are more important than actually disclosing when they offered Fuzer a refund, obviously
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Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
September 13 2012 17:01 GMT
#102
On September 14 2012 01:53 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 01:49 Awesomeness wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:45 PanN wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:42 Awesomeness wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:40 PanN wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:36 Shikyo wrote:
Hilarious. In the MoW Drama thread someone made a joke post about MoW statement probably being something totally unrelated with a "but here's kittens" ...

You guys really should 1. hire a lawyer who knows something about EU law 2. hire a PR person, just common sense could have done much better than you guys.


I don't think they need a PR person, they just need a new person in general. This guy (according to the skype logs) was going to rip fuzer off. The only reason any of this pr kitten bullshit is happening is because his threat came back and bit him in the ass.

He's not a good person. He's a bad person.


Judging a person based on some lines in a chatlog. TL in a nutshell.

Would be a really smart move to include some of the statements the MoW-residents made in the first thread in the op btw.


Oh be quiet please. If you're going to try and argue that attempting to rip someone off after they've traveled to your home doesn't make you a bad person than good luck buddy.


yeah because you never made mistakes or said stupid shit in a chatlog, right? From what I've heard all other pros like the house and therefore this guy is doing more for eSports than you (and me) ever did.

Yes they didn't handle this situation right, but a project like this deserves a 2nd chance imo...


The dude isn't "doing this for esports", sure he might have some passion for the game etc. But they are making a lot of money from gamers, I'm not saying it's bad he's making money or wants to, but don't lie to yourself, he's doing this to make money and build a business, albeit a bad job of it.


And you know that, because...? At least he is trying to create a business within eSports which is more than most of us will ever do. As long as the house is good and the players enjoy it, I don't even care what his motivation is.

Yes it seems like they need to improve a lot of things, but it's a new project and we should at least give them some time to learn from their mistakes and not talk shit about everything they do.
xlord 5:0
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
September 13 2012 17:01 GMT
#103
I think there are a lot of completely uninvolved parties (the average TL poster) that take themselves waaaaaay too seriously. Wow.
Pimpmuckl
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany528 Posts
September 13 2012 17:02 GMT
#104
Now tell me why you wanted a lawyers license and why your Boss is such a unprofessional and the whole affair would be more or less resolved.
twitter.com/pimpmuckl
Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
September 13 2012 17:02 GMT
#105
On September 14 2012 01:55 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 01:36 Kontys wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:31 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:26 Zim23 wrote:
a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down.


What an underhanded way to put it. This statement doesn't refute that you at first REFUSED to pay the guy back and then after being threatened offered to refund the cash.

This.

Everything else sounds good though. Lesson learned. If not, pitchforks, sponsor-emails....you know the drill.


Pitchforks, yes, sponsor emails, please no. Don't start killing esports over a fairly trivial matter. There are very few people around with proper experience in handling esports ventures. MoW is a great concept and should be allowed to thrive. Live and let live..

It was a joke of course...Although, if some one should ever email sponsors over something, it should be over financial disputes. Players not getting paid is much worse then some bad PR to a profit orientated company. Not that this is the case of course.

Fuzer got his money back now, right?


Yes, giving Fuzer his money and making this (the OP) statement (albeit the fucking kittens) were the only two correct things to do after the situation blew up.

Besides the kittens I am pretty satisfied with the conclusion, but if I were the MoW manager, I would take a good look at what FXO.BoSs wrote about contracting players in the other thread (quoted in this thread twice so far).
short
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden148 Posts
September 13 2012 17:03 GMT
#106
Too late, IMO. First they didn't want to give him back the money. When he started making a fuzz they finally offered to do so. Their first public "statement" was a few lines of nonsense. Then came the news article from "a trusted news source" that was even worse as it was so clearly biased and still didn't address anything. At least this statement is better and more professional, but it came too late and still doesn't address the major issues in any good way. It doesn't mention that they only offered to pay him back after he went public with it, instead they just say he "declined". It doesn't say anything about why it was so difficult to get his Fuzer's lawyer a copy of the contract.

It seems to me that every inch of ground that MoW has given up here is a direct result of pressure from the community and I see nothing to suggest that they have a genuine interest in making this right. I won't say anything about the cats.
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
September 13 2012 17:04 GMT
#107
i love kittens.


and everybody who knows fuzer knows he's to blame


im amazed how many people blindly jump on the Hate-MoW-bandwagon for no reason.
Top50 GM EU Protoss from Bulgaria. Streaming with commentary : www.twitch.tv/hwbgmethix
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
September 13 2012 17:05 GMT
#108
On September 14 2012 02:01 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 01:53 mememolly wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:49 Awesomeness wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:45 PanN wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:42 Awesomeness wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:40 PanN wrote:
On September 14 2012 01:36 Shikyo wrote:
Hilarious. In the MoW Drama thread someone made a joke post about MoW statement probably being something totally unrelated with a "but here's kittens" ...

You guys really should 1. hire a lawyer who knows something about EU law 2. hire a PR person, just common sense could have done much better than you guys.


I don't think they need a PR person, they just need a new person in general. This guy (according to the skype logs) was going to rip fuzer off. The only reason any of this pr kitten bullshit is happening is because his threat came back and bit him in the ass.

He's not a good person. He's a bad person.


Judging a person based on some lines in a chatlog. TL in a nutshell.

Would be a really smart move to include some of the statements the MoW-residents made in the first thread in the op btw.


Oh be quiet please. If you're going to try and argue that attempting to rip someone off after they've traveled to your home doesn't make you a bad person than good luck buddy.


yeah because you never made mistakes or said stupid shit in a chatlog, right? From what I've heard all other pros like the house and therefore this guy is doing more for eSports than you (and me) ever did.

Yes they didn't handle this situation right, but a project like this deserves a 2nd chance imo...


The dude isn't "doing this for esports", sure he might have some passion for the game etc. But they are making a lot of money from gamers, I'm not saying it's bad he's making money or wants to, but don't lie to yourself, he's doing this to make money and build a business, albeit a bad job of it.


And you know that, because...? At least he is trying to create a business within eSports which is more than most of us will ever do. As long as the house is good and the players enjoy it, I don't even care what his motivation is.

Yes it seems like they need to improve a lot of things, but it's a new project and we should at least give them some time to learn from their mistakes and not talk shit about everything they do.


why else would you start a business if not to make money? why would you charge 600 euros a month if not to make money? why would you get pro players in to make the whole thing more legitimate if not to make money from exposure and legitimacy they bring to it? why would you take a percentage of the stream revenue if not to make money?

No, I don't know what his intentions are but I can process information and reach a probable conclusion.

I'm not saying he's bad for wanting to make money from esports, good for him, but don't make out he is doing this out of pure altruism or for the holy grail of "esports".
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
September 13 2012 17:05 GMT
#109
Wow you guys seem like the good ones, feel kindof bad for judging.
dr Helvetica <3
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
September 13 2012 17:06 GMT
#110
OBVIOUSLY FUZER WONT SIGN THE CONTRACT NO MATTER HOW MUCH TIME YOU GIVE HIM BECAUSE YOU DONT GIVE HIM A COPY OF THE CONTRACT TO SHOW TO WHOEVER HE WANTS.

User was warned for this post
Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 17:08:26
September 13 2012 17:06 GMT
#111
On September 14 2012 01:59 TAMinator wrote:
Poll: Was posting the kitten pictures a redeeming factor?

No (188)
 
89%

Yes (20)
 
9%

I don't know (4)
 
2%

212 total votes

Your vote: Was posting the kitten pictures a redeeming factor?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): I don't know




It was a de-redeeming factor, as in, it fully showcased to the community that we aren't dealing with a person equipped with a fully functionable logic engine.
RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
September 13 2012 17:07 GMT
#112
On September 14 2012 01:38 Shocae wrote:
Oh my god. I can't stand the way you handled things, your shady as fuck boss (who should be fired asap), the contracts, the press releases and statements that did not address the issue yesterday and the way you depict Fuzer as more in the wrong than you, that you asked for a license to prove fuzer has a lawyer, that you wouldn't pay back a negligible amount of money in a power/ego move, the patronizing of the community like we're idiots with kitten pictures and interviews that have nothing to do with the conflict, the use of media/propaganda, the taking advantage of non well known players, your lack of adhering to the dietary plan you promised, the amount of you are compensated vs the amount spent on the players, the way in which you communicated threats of not paying via skype chat because it was untraceable, the streaming hours, just your overall sense/way of handling this whole situation has been utterly despicable. I've never boycotted before, but I am.

Also, I encourage an audit of the organization to see how clean an operation they run.

This. I couldn't put it better. Basically a perfect summary of my thoughts.
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 17:09:44
September 13 2012 17:08 GMT
#113
FUZER ALWAYS BM's AND STARTS DRAMA. HE IS MAD AND WANTS TO DESTROY MOW IF HE'S NOT IN IT.... BY CLAIMING THINGS ON TL.

(many people try to do this to sabotage players' careers and so forth)


sorry for caps but i see other people allowing their selves to do it also.





ps :


and yes,kittens were cute,but i think they did just the opposite of what they were intended to do.

User was warned for this post
Top50 GM EU Protoss from Bulgaria. Streaming with commentary : www.twitch.tv/hwbgmethix
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 13 2012 17:08 GMT
#114
I haven't even been following the drama but MoW seems completely unprofessional from a bystanders perspective...

How can it take sooooo long to release this statement?
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
September 13 2012 17:09 GMT
#115
Well, that was insulting.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 13 2012 17:09 GMT
#116
On September 14 2012 02:04 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
i love kittens.


and everybody who knows fuzer knows he's to blame


im amazed how many people blindly jump on the Hate-MoW-bandwagon for no reason.


I wirte this many times..
Everyone who watched Fuzer stream just once.. know he is not an angel and BM.

Other funny thing is that you refused to take money back.. , he pick drama.. , he chose drama not MONEY , and now MoW hater write.. GIVE him oney back.. ? hahaha , you must be joking.
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 13 2012 17:10 GMT
#117
On September 14 2012 02:09 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 02:04 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
i love kittens.


and everybody who knows fuzer knows he's to blame


im amazed how many people blindly jump on the Hate-MoW-bandwagon for no reason.


I wirte this many times..
Everyone who watched Fuzer stream just once.. know he is not an angel and BM.

Other funny thing is that you refused to take money back.. , he pick drama.. , he chose drama not MONEY , and now MoW hater write.. GIVE him oney back.. ? hahaha , you must be joking.


You clearly have absolutely no grasp what so ever on the situation at hand.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
September 13 2012 17:10 GMT
#118
At least this was a hell of a lot better as an excuse than that thing you sent to esfiworld
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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
September 13 2012 17:10 GMT
#119
On September 14 2012 02:08 SupLilSon wrote:
I haven't even been following the drama but MoW seems completely unprofessional from a bystanders perspective...

How can it take sooooo long to release this statement?

Because they needed to pad the statement with enough words to compensate for the fact that it doesn't contain the most important piece of information?

I anticipate a full-length essay tomorrow.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
September 13 2012 17:11 GMT
#120
Those kittens lol.I'm getting eclypsia flashbacks.
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