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On September 14 2012 01:16 Full.tilt wrote:
Fail. (for kitten photos)
edit: glad you took most of them away.
Oh god there was more?
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On September 14 2012 01:35 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:26 Zim23 wrote:a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down. What an underhanded way to put it. This statement doesn't refute that you at first REFUSED to pay the guy back and then after being threatened offered to refund the cash. I'm laughing at all the people that are "forgiving" MoW when this still went on. Aweeee! Some guy posts a few cat pictures and thats all it takes to win you guys over even thought they're underhanded businessmen and probably (based on the skype chat) would have ripped fuzer off completely had fuzer had no proof or threats.
Nah, it's just not a big deal. People like you make it a big deal. No one actually cares.
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On September 14 2012 04:45 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote:On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.
I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss". I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off. It like: 1. Give me back my money I am leaving. 2. You are entitled to get shit. 3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now. 4. You violated the rules of the contract. 5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules! 6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here. except for 1. Give me back my money, you kicked me out because I didn't want to sign the contract before running it through my lawyer, which you wouldn't let me unless I provide you with the credentials of my lawyer. <- yeh okay dude. 2. pretty much as you said. 3. But I paid you in advance, and you kicked me out, because I won't be coerced to sign the shady contract, which I didn't want to sign before running it through my lawyer first. 4. You violated a contract you didn't even sign, so I get to keep the monies. 5. I didn't sign it. 6. har har, i never got your money. Now that I provided the actual context, better?
Basically, he should have been forced to sign the contract before he moved in.
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On September 14 2012 01:36 Shikyo wrote:
Hilarious. In the MoW Drama thread someone made a joke post about MoW statement probably being something totally unrelated with a "but here's kittens" ...
You guys really should 1. hire a lawyer who knows something about EU law 2. hire a PR person, just common sense could have done much better than you guys.
When I saw the kittens..
It's a little off-putting with how a lot of these guys deal with their relations.
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Vatican City State582 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:45 Bippzy wrote:
Many under 1000 posts tend to still defame MoW for little things. It would appear one mistake is enough for permanent failure to them, whether for offerin the money back or because their contract is written like they do in poland as FXOboss stated. Extremism to me and interesting it stays with the lower post count
MoW has cleared itself as best it can, fuzer certainly isn't wronged more than is possible to be rectified and MoW has said they made a mistake and sought to rectify it.
For one, the post count doesn't even matter.
For two, it's not defamation if it's true......
MoW hasn't even cleared itself at all. It dodged all the core questions raised by the community and FXOBoSs.
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On September 14 2012 04:47 ~Maverick~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:45 dacimvrl wrote:On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote:On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.
I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss". I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off. It like: 1. Give me back my money I am leaving. 2. You are entitled to get shit. 3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now. 4. You violated the rules of the contract. 5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules! 6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here. except for 1. Give me back my money, you kicked me out because I didn't want to sign the contract before running it through my lawyer, which you wouldn't let me unless I provide you with the credentials of my lawyer. <- yeh okay dude. 2. pretty much as you said. 3. But I paid you in advance, and you kicked me out, because I won't be coerced to sign the shady contract, which I didn't want to sign before running it through my lawyer first. 4. You violated a contract you didn't even sign, so I get to keep the monies. 5. I didn't sign it. 6. har har, i never got your money. Now that I provided the actual context, better? Basically, he should have been forced to sign the contract before he moved in.
That would solve a lot of problems. It is a big commitment and expense to go to another country. If there is something you are not agree with, you are better off knowing them before hop on a plane.
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A few things I'd like to point out here.
"1. First and foremost Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen or any other guest of the house has not been, or will be stopped from pursuing a professional e-sport carrier beyond the Ministry of Win by means of a legal document or a verbal agreement. Players absolutely can and will join teams, pro-houses, will also participate in tournaments and other e-sport ventures."
This is worded pretty poorly in my opinion. Should read
"First and foremost Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen or any other guest of the house, has not been, and will not be stopped from pursuing a professional e-sport carrier beyond the Ministry of Win by means of a legal document or a verbal agreement."
Another place that is worded poorly is
"2. Ministry of Win does not enforce on players the amount of hours they have to stream. It is a part of a business contract and both parties negotiate an agreement. We understand that players have come to the house for the sole purpose of perfecting their skills and thus we do not exact the agreed hours to the last detail. Most players view streaming as a key income source for themselves and so we give them the best opportunity to profit from it. Thanks to the strategic partnership between the Ministry of Win and Twitch.tv the CPM ratio is superior to that of an individual streaming on one’s own. Furthermore the players that had no Twitch.tv partnership prior to joining the house obtain a possibility to start monetizing their exposure instantly omitting the regular Twitch.tv partnership acquireing process."
This says they negotiate a contract/agreement about streaming, but MOW does not enforce it?
I realize these are small details, but things in a contract will be upheld to the literal interpretation. The fact that they made a press release this poorly worded and ambiguous right from the start, is an indication of why this whole mess started.
I can understand why he would want to have the contract reviewed.
Which brings me to another point, if english is his second language. I can't understand why you wouldn't allow a translator to help him understand the contract clearly. Then again, if it is worded as poorly as this statement, I guess you would be better off with a lawyer......
Now all of this I could excuse as miscommunication, misunderstanding, paranoia and bad English. The one thing that I cannot excuse is the boss telling him that if he can't prove he paid money, then it didn't happen. It's not the legal ramifications I am bothered with here, it is the character of the person who would say something like that. In my opinion it's just not the kind of thing a decent, good intentioned person would say.
Just like in other businesses, different people get different deals. I'm sure Lady Gaga's next record deal will be better for her then the first time she signed with a major label. Much the same in starcraft, an unknown player will not and should not expect to get the same deal as a guy like MVP.
However, in this situation I feel it's not just a bad or poorly worded contract, but the attitude that they intend to treat this person as poorly as they feel they can get away with. I don't believe they would have tried to pull that on someone who has a pro-team and a management staff behind them. We are not talking about millions of dollars, this is quite a petty, shady way to handle such a trivial amount of money. I would not want a professional relationship, or enter into a contract I do not 100% understand, with someone like this.
One last thing, it never ceases to amaze me how easily people are distracted by kittens.
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Vatican City State582 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:47 ~Maverick~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:45 dacimvrl wrote:On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote:On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.
I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss". I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off. It like: 1. Give me back my money I am leaving. 2. You are entitled to get shit. 3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now. 4. You violated the rules of the contract. 5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules! 6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here. except for 1. Give me back my money, you kicked me out because I didn't want to sign the contract before running it through my lawyer, which you wouldn't let me unless I provide you with the credentials of my lawyer. <- yeh okay dude. 2. pretty much as you said. 3. But I paid you in advance, and you kicked me out, because I won't be coerced to sign the shady contract, which I didn't want to sign before running it through my lawyer first. 4. You violated a contract you didn't even sign, so I get to keep the monies. 5. I didn't sign it. 6. har har, i never got your money. Now that I provided the actual context, better? Basically, he should have been forced to sign the contract before he moved in.
or they should have just sent Fuzer a copy of the contract so he could run it through his lawyer. How's that even hard? How? Why does MoW even want Fuzer's lawyer's credentials or whatever? What does it even concern them? Let's just omit all that and post pictures of kittens 
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On September 14 2012 04:47 ~Maverick~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:45 dacimvrl wrote:On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote:On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.
I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss". I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off. It like: 1. Give me back my money I am leaving. 2. You are entitled to get shit. 3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now. 4. You violated the rules of the contract. 5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules! 6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here. except for 1. Give me back my money, you kicked me out because I didn't want to sign the contract before running it through my lawyer, which you wouldn't let me unless I provide you with the credentials of my lawyer. <- yeh okay dude. 2. pretty much as you said. 3. But I paid you in advance, and you kicked me out, because I won't be coerced to sign the shady contract, which I didn't want to sign before running it through my lawyer first. 4. You violated a contract you didn't even sign, so I get to keep the monies. 5. I didn't sign it. 6. har har, i never got your money. Now that I provided the actual context, better? Basically, he should have been forced to sign the contract before he moved in.
That was a bad move on both sides, not to sign the contract the moment he arrived there.
Now, since I got a lot of stuff to do at work in the upcoming week I would kindly request a week ban to resist the urge of posting. Thank you!
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On September 14 2012 04:45 Bippzy wrote:
Many under 1000 posts tend to still defame MoW for little things. It would appear one mistake is enough for permanent failure to them, whether for offerin the money back or because their contract is written like they do in poland as FXOboss stated. Extremism to me and interesting it stays with the lower post count
MoW has cleared itself as best it can, fuzer certainly isn't wronged more than is possible to be rectified and MoW has said they made a mistake and sought to rectify it.
dont have 1000 posts? your argument is invalid. nice touch.
and yeah its the little things..like the whole business model. come to the house. you can practice and have nothing to worry about. EXCEPT: boss makes party down stairs, not enough food, no coaching schedule.
this doesnt help either:
strongarming fuzer into the contract : you sign or your out (fuzer is 1000km from home)
blackmailing fuzer to keep his mouth shut or say goodbye to the money.
i guess what makes people angry is that MOW appeared to be taking it seriously and professional. but letting a know scammer run this thing is sad.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37064 Posts
If you guys made this statement in an effort to appear professional...
Why the heck would you post pictures of kittens....
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On September 14 2012 04:51 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:47 ~Maverick~ wrote:On September 14 2012 04:45 dacimvrl wrote:On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote:On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.
I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss". I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off. It like: 1. Give me back my money I am leaving. 2. You are entitled to get shit. 3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now. 4. You violated the rules of the contract. 5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules! 6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here. except for 1. Give me back my money, you kicked me out because I didn't want to sign the contract before running it through my lawyer, which you wouldn't let me unless I provide you with the credentials of my lawyer. <- yeh okay dude. 2. pretty much as you said. 3. But I paid you in advance, and you kicked me out, because I won't be coerced to sign the shady contract, which I didn't want to sign before running it through my lawyer first. 4. You violated a contract you didn't even sign, so I get to keep the monies. 5. I didn't sign it. 6. har har, i never got your money. Now that I provided the actual context, better? Basically, he should have been forced to sign the contract before he moved in. or they should have just sent Fuzer a copy of the contract so he could run it through his lawyer. How's that even hard? How? Why does MoW even want Fuzer's lawyer's credentials or whatever? What does it even concern them? Let's just omit all that and post pictures of kittens
Or, you can just not give random people money. You know? It's kind of standard in life. Would you just give some random guy $500? No, but that's what fuzer did. Never signed the contract, so this is his problem. He's the one who fucked up. Sneaky or not, MoW>fuzer.
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On September 14 2012 04:45 Bippzy wrote:
Many under 1000 posts tend to still defame MoW for little things.
Rofl!! So you associate people and opinions based on post count? Hilarious.
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On September 14 2012 01:28 ROOTT1 wrote:lol felines are so noobie, theyre too unloyal this is where its at ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VxvGY.jpg)
i see your puppy and raise you a baby wombat
![[image loading]](http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/wombatinabox.jpg)
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On September 14 2012 04:45 Bippzy wrote:
Many under 1000 posts tend to still defame MoW for little things. It would appear one mistake is enough for permanent failure to them, whether for offerin the money back or because their contract is written like they do in poland as FXOboss stated. Extremism to me and interesting it stays with the lower post count
MoW has cleared itself as best it can, fuzer certainly isn't wronged more than is possible to be rectified and MoW has said they made a mistake and sought to rectify it.
funny how 1000 posts is a huge landmark for you when you are just over it.
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I just wanted to remind you guys that Ministry of Win, as you all say, is a business project, a company created to MAKE MONEY FIRST, and then help e-sports grow. Now, as in every other business they should take very good care of their customers who in this case are sc2 players. If they keep (implying that it's not too late already) dealing with community->players->customers the way they do it right now they will lose all of the credibility they tried to acquire for the last couple of weeks.
To sum it up: WITHOUT players (such as Fuzer) Ministry of Win would not exist. It's the starcraft community (and especially pro gamers) the ones who run their business. Players could live and make good money just as good as if MoW hasn't been established, but MoW will not exist without the players willing to pay for their stay in the house.
Respect the players (your customers) or you might start looking for a new business to open in your luxury, modern house (maybe a brothel?).
Peace
(sorry for my English)
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Vatican City State582 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:54 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:51 dacimvrl wrote:On September 14 2012 04:47 ~Maverick~ wrote:On September 14 2012 04:45 dacimvrl wrote:On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote:On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.
I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss". I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off. It like: 1. Give me back my money I am leaving. 2. You are entitled to get shit. 3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now. 4. You violated the rules of the contract. 5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules! 6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here. except for 1. Give me back my money, you kicked me out because I didn't want to sign the contract before running it through my lawyer, which you wouldn't let me unless I provide you with the credentials of my lawyer. <- yeh okay dude. 2. pretty much as you said. 3. But I paid you in advance, and you kicked me out, because I won't be coerced to sign the shady contract, which I didn't want to sign before running it through my lawyer first. 4. You violated a contract you didn't even sign, so I get to keep the monies. 5. I didn't sign it. 6. har har, i never got your money. Now that I provided the actual context, better? Basically, he should have been forced to sign the contract before he moved in. or they should have just sent Fuzer a copy of the contract so he could run it through his lawyer. How's that even hard? How? Why does MoW even want Fuzer's lawyer's credentials or whatever? What does it even concern them? Let's just omit all that and post pictures of kittens Or, you can just not give random people money. You know? It's kind of standard in life. Would you just give some random guy $500? No, but that's what fuzer did. Never signed the contract, so this is his problem. He's the one who fucked up. Sneaky or not, MoW>fuzer.
except for MoW isn't a random someone, they've had notable community figures visiting their house, notable endorsements such as Razer, Twitch...etc.
With all those "credentials", you would expect some decency, honesty, and some ethics.....or not lol. Not even sneaky, this is shady, unethical business practice at best. I'd suggest you to watch DarkForce's video response or read what FXOBoSs has to say so you can understand the whole issue better.
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On September 14 2012 04:59 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:54 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:On September 14 2012 04:51 dacimvrl wrote:On September 14 2012 04:47 ~Maverick~ wrote:On September 14 2012 04:45 dacimvrl wrote:On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote:On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.
I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss". I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off. It like: 1. Give me back my money I am leaving. 2. You are entitled to get shit. 3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now. 4. You violated the rules of the contract. 5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules! 6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here. except for 1. Give me back my money, you kicked me out because I didn't want to sign the contract before running it through my lawyer, which you wouldn't let me unless I provide you with the credentials of my lawyer. <- yeh okay dude. 2. pretty much as you said. 3. But I paid you in advance, and you kicked me out, because I won't be coerced to sign the shady contract, which I didn't want to sign before running it through my lawyer first. 4. You violated a contract you didn't even sign, so I get to keep the monies. 5. I didn't sign it. 6. har har, i never got your money. Now that I provided the actual context, better? Basically, he should have been forced to sign the contract before he moved in. or they should have just sent Fuzer a copy of the contract so he could run it through his lawyer. How's that even hard? How? Why does MoW even want Fuzer's lawyer's credentials or whatever? What does it even concern them? Let's just omit all that and post pictures of kittens Or, you can just not give random people money. You know? It's kind of standard in life. Would you just give some random guy $500? No, but that's what fuzer did. Never signed the contract, so this is his problem. He's the one who fucked up. Sneaky or not, MoW>fuzer. except for MoW isn't a random someone, they've had notable community figures visiting their house, notable endorsements such as Razer, Twitch...etc. With all those "credentials", you would expect some decency, honesty, and some ethics.....or not lol. Not even sneaky, this is shady, unethical business practice at best. I'd suggest you to watch DarkForce's video response or read what FXOBoSs has to say so you can understand the whole issue better.
No, I understand it. Just people acting stupid to other people acting stupid. Both sides here are pretty stupid. They both fucked up, I get that they aren't some random somebody. But holy fuck, don't send them money in the first place without a contract, that shit is shady. No idea why people are defending fuzer anyways
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Daw, kittens! I vuw kittens!
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I don't know who does your PR, but they need to be fired.
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