EPTSince other players are happy this seems to be a personal problem.
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
Since other players are happy this seems to be a personal problem. | ||
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coolguy00
7 Posts
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney [11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have [11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok [11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month [11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month [11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money [11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules [11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works? [11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again [11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well [11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it [11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money [11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation? [11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract. I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss". | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
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Jepsyn
Canada364 Posts
not only was posting a bunch of kitten pictures stupid but it was intentionally meant to detract attention away from the press release that said absolutely nothing in there defence... I was really on the fence with this whole who was right and wrong in this situation but i have not seen one piece of evidence that says MoW was in the right at all | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote: (Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss) [11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney [11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have [11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok [11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month [11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month [11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money [11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules [11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works? [11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again [11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well [11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it [11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money [11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation? [11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract. I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss". I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off. It like: 1. Give me back my money I am leaving. 2. You are entitled to get shit. 3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now. 4. You violated the rules of the contract. 5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules! 6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here. | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:28 Roman666 wrote: I am not sure it would apply here cause they didn't sign a contract - there was no deal about providing the service. For all we know with "good" witnesses MoW could even deny the fact that he was staying there. Yeah, he could also wake up in a bathtub filled with icecubes with his kidney removed. MoW messed that up and apparently their contract is also invalid as far as the refund part goes (could be challenged in court). | ||
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decotta
Argentina43 Posts
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BigJoe
United States210 Posts
No... awkward... | ||
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nikoYO
Germany131 Posts
2. Ministry of Win does not enforce on players the amount of hours they have to stream. It is a part of a business contract and both parties negotiate an agreement. We understand that players have come to the house for the sole purpose of perfecting their skills and thus we do not exact the agreed hours to the last detail. Most players view streaming as a key income source for themselves and so we give them the best opportunity to profit from it. Thanks to the strategic partnership between the Ministry of Win and Twitch.tv the CPM ratio is superior to that of an individual streaming on one’s own. Furthermore the players that had no Twitch.tv partnership prior to joining the house obtain a possibility to start monetizing their exposure instantly omitting the regular Twitch.tv partnership acquireing process. to make clear what the point of this is, for people who are confused why they dont enforce this is this : IF you stream and make money from twitch.tv ,they are entitled to their cut, thats why they put it in the contract. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:28 ROOTT1 wrote: lol felines are so noobie, theyre too unloyal this is where its at ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VxvGY.jpg) you've gained a new fan today. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote: (Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss) [11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney [11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have [11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok [11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month [11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month [11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money [11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules [11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works? [11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again [11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well [11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it [11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money [11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation? [11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract. I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss". Yeah, I agree. I saw the original screenshot from the other thread. Just can't believe how MoW conveniently omitted all the details in the press release, and simply said: refund was offered, but rejected. what a joke.. | ||
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Croatodil
Belgium28 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
Even then, the Ministry of Win is still at least partly to blame for the misunderstanding's happening; it's certainly unsettling for a player to come to a gaming house where he just wants a place to stay and practice, and then encounter all sorts of nasty surprises in the contract (or at least get the impression that there are nasty surprises). If you guys really are good, you should be more clear and upfront about any big contractually binding obligations BEFORE players have to make the trip to your team house, and make your contract wording as clear and precise as possible. Here's hoping to no more scandals. | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
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nikoYO
Germany131 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote: I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off. It like: 1. Give me back my money I am leaving. 2. You are entitled to get shit. 3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now. 4. You violated the rules of the contract. 5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules! 6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here. i read it as it is. SHADY BUSINESS PRACTICE. if i would talk like that to my clients i could close my doors today. | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:37 scypio wrote: Yeah, he could also wake up in a bathtub filled with icecubes with his kidney removed. MoW messed that up and apparently their contract is also invalid as far as the refund part goes (could be challenged in court). That is absolutely correct, you can't put such clauses into the contact in the first place, here in Poland. The problem is they never signed it. | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
MoW has cleared itself as best it can, fuzer certainly isn't wronged more than is possible to be rectified and MoW has said they made a mistake and sought to rectify it. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote: I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off. It like: 1. Give me back my money I am leaving. 2. You are entitled to get shit. 3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now. 4. You violated the rules of the contract. 5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules! 6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here. except for 1. Give me back my money, you kicked me out because I didn't want to sign the contract before running it through my lawyer, which you wouldn't let me unless I provide you with the credentials of my lawyer. <- yeh okay dude. 2. pretty much as you said. 3. But I paid you in advance, and you kicked me out, because I won't be coerced to sign the shady contract, which I didn't want to sign before running it through my lawyer first. 4. You violated a contract you didn't even sign, so I get to keep the monies. 5. I didn't sign it. 6. har har, i never got your money. Now that I provided the actual context, better? | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:28 Roman666 wrote: I am not sure it would apply here cause they didn't sign a contract - there was no deal about providing the service. For all we know with "good" witnesses MoW could even deny the fact that he was staying there. are we figuring out who's right and wrong here or are we speculating on how you can fabricate evidence in court? | ||
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