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marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
September 13 2012 19:31 GMT
#281
The statement is ok, but the photos at the end are just stupid. (I mean either you should make a serious statement or you dont care about the drama...)

Since other players are happy this seems to be a personal problem.
coolguy00
Profile Joined September 2012
7 Posts
September 13 2012 19:32 GMT
#282
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)

[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney

[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have

[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok

[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money

[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules

[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?

[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again

[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well

[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it

[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money

[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?

[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.

I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss".
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
September 13 2012 19:35 GMT
#283
I don't understand how anyone can be dumb enough to write that so it can be copy pasted around lol.
Cackle™
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
September 13 2012 19:37 GMT
#284
good bye MoW in couple months or couple years :D
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Jepsyn
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada364 Posts
September 13 2012 19:37 GMT
#285
The kitten thing makes me give 0 legitimacy to their business

not only was posting a bunch of kitten pictures stupid but it was intentionally meant to detract attention away from the press release that said absolutely nothing in there defence...

I was really on the fence with this whole who was right and wrong in this situation but i have not seen one piece of evidence that says MoW was in the right at all
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Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
September 13 2012 19:37 GMT
#286
On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)

[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney

[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have

[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok

[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money

[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules

[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?

[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again

[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well

[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it

[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money

[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?

[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.

I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss".

I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off.

It like:

1. Give me back my money I am leaving.
2. You are entitled to get shit.
3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now.
4. You violated the rules of the contract.
5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules!
6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here.
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
September 13 2012 19:37 GMT
#287
On September 14 2012 04:28 Roman666 wrote:
I am not sure it would apply here cause they didn't sign a contract - there was no deal about providing the service. For all we know with "good" witnesses MoW could even deny the fact that he was staying there.


Yeah, he could also wake up in a bathtub filled with icecubes with his kidney removed. MoW messed that up and apparently their contract is also invalid as far as the refund part goes (could be challenged in court).
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decotta
Profile Joined August 2011
Argentina43 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:40:04
September 13 2012 19:37 GMT
#288
Give the guy his money back.
BigJoe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States210 Posts
September 13 2012 19:38 GMT
#289
Overly attached MoW - "You love us right?"

No... awkward...
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
September 13 2012 19:39 GMT
#290
2. Ministry of Win does not enforce on players the amount of hours they have to stream. It is a part of a business contract and both parties negotiate an agreement. We understand that players have come to the house for the sole purpose of perfecting their skills and thus we do not exact the agreed hours to the last detail. Most players view streaming as a key income source for themselves and so we give them the best opportunity to profit from it. Thanks to the strategic partnership between the Ministry of Win and Twitch.tv the CPM ratio is superior to that of an individual streaming on one’s own. Furthermore the players that had no Twitch.tv partnership prior to joining the house obtain a possibility to start monetizing their exposure instantly omitting the regular Twitch.tv partnership acquireing process.


to make clear what the point of this is, for people who are confused why they dont enforce this is this : IF you stream and make money from twitch.tv ,they are entitled to their cut, thats why they put it in the contract.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 13 2012 19:39 GMT
#291
On September 14 2012 01:28 ROOTT1 wrote:
lol felines are so noobie, theyre too unloyal
this is where its at
[image loading]


you've gained a new fan today.
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dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
September 13 2012 19:40 GMT
#292
On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)

[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney

[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have

[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok

[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money

[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules

[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?

[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again

[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well

[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it

[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money

[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?

[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.

I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss".


Yeah, I agree. I saw the original screenshot from the other thread.

Just can't believe how MoW conveniently omitted all the details in the press release, and simply said: refund was offered, but rejected.

what a joke..
Croatodil
Profile Joined August 2012
Belgium28 Posts
September 13 2012 19:41 GMT
#293
MOW, you suck, you tryed to trick people, there is no way out now, greedy fucker. Fail...
What do do what?
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
September 13 2012 19:41 GMT
#294
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that this was all a misunderstanding.

Even then, the Ministry of Win is still at least partly to blame for the misunderstanding's happening; it's certainly unsettling for a player to come to a gaming house where he just wants a place to stay and practice, and then encounter all sorts of nasty surprises in the contract (or at least get the impression that there are nasty surprises).

If you guys really are good, you should be more clear and upfront about any big contractually binding obligations BEFORE players have to make the trip to your team house, and make your contract wording as clear and precise as possible.

Here's hoping to no more scandals.
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Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
September 13 2012 19:42 GMT
#295
It takes some balls to post pictures of kittens after what happened lol I can at least appreciate that.
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
September 13 2012 19:42 GMT
#296
On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)

[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney

[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have

[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok

[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money

[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules

[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?

[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again

[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well

[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it

[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money

[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?

[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.

I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss".

I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off.

It like:

1. Give me back my money I am leaving.
2. You are entitled to get shit.
3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now.
4. You violated the rules of the contract.
5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules!
6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here.


i read it as it is. SHADY BUSINESS PRACTICE. if i would talk like that to my clients i could close my doors today.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
September 13 2012 19:42 GMT
#297
On September 14 2012 04:37 scypio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:28 Roman666 wrote:
I am not sure it would apply here cause they didn't sign a contract - there was no deal about providing the service. For all we know with "good" witnesses MoW could even deny the fact that he was staying there.


Yeah, he could also wake up in a bathtub filled with icecubes with his kidney removed. MoW messed that up and apparently their contract is also invalid as far as the refund part goes (could be challenged in court).

That is absolutely correct, you can't put such clauses into the contact in the first place, here in Poland. The problem is they never signed it.
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
September 13 2012 19:45 GMT
#298
Many under 1000 posts tend to still defame MoW for little things. It would appear one mistake is enough for permanent failure to them, whether for offerin the money back or because their contract is written like they do in poland as FXOboss stated. Extremism to me and interesting it stays with the lower post count

MoW has cleared itself as best it can, fuzer certainly isn't wronged more than is possible to be rectified and MoW has said they made a mistake and sought to rectify it.
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dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:46:22
September 13 2012 19:45 GMT
#299
On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)

[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney

[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have

[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok

[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money

[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules

[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?

[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again

[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well

[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it

[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money

[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?

[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.

I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss".

I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off.

It like:

1. Give me back my money I am leaving.
2. You are entitled to get shit.
3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now.
4. You violated the rules of the contract.
5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules!
6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here.


except for

1. Give me back my money, you kicked me out because I didn't want to sign the contract before running it through my lawyer, which you wouldn't let me unless I provide you with the credentials of my lawyer. <- yeh okay dude.
2. pretty much as you said.
3. But I paid you in advance, and you kicked me out, because I won't be coerced to sign the shady contract, which I didn't want to sign before running it through my lawyer first.
4. You violated a contract you didn't even sign, so I get to keep the monies.
5. I didn't sign it.
6. har har, i never got your money.

Now that I provided the actual context, better?
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
September 13 2012 19:45 GMT
#300
On September 14 2012 04:28 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:18 scypio wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:05 bonifaceviii wrote:
So you don't disagree that Fuzer agreed to pay rent, and then would have had to sign the contract in order to consent to forfeiting his rent in the case of him getting kicked out?


Hmmm... I've done some poking around and this is what I've found (in Polish):
http://www.prawo.egospodarka.pl/77262,Rezygnacja-z-uslugi-a-zwrot-pieniedzy,2,84,1.html

What the article says is that Polish Register of Unlawful Provisions contains one, that states that the right for compensation for a service that was not provided (or was provided in part) cannot be revoked by a provision in the contract.

So it seems that MoW terms could be challenged in court. I wonder if they new it though.

Now that I know about that provision in the registry I would say that MoW is in fact obliged to pay Fuzer back whether he knew about the rule or not.

I am not sure it would apply here cause they didn't sign a contract - there was no deal about providing the service. For all we know with "good" witnesses MoW could even deny the fact that he was staying there.

are we figuring out who's right and wrong here or are we speculating on how you can fabricate evidence in court?
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