• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:12
CEST 22:12
KST 05:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare12Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, sOs, Reynor, Solar15[ASL19] Ro8 Preview: Unyielding3Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025)17[ASL19] Ro8 Preview: Rejuvenation8
Community News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A Results (2025)4$1,250 WardiTV May [May 6th-May 18th]5Clem wins PiG Sty Festival #67Weekly Cups (April 28-May 4): ByuN & Astrea break through1Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game29
StarCraft 2
General
Clem wins PiG Sty Festival #6 How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A Results (2025) Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group B [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group A $1,250 WardiTV May [May 6th-May 18th] SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed Mutation # 470 Certain Demise Mutation # 469 Frostbite
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games Preserving Battlereports.com OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24
Tourneys
[BSL20] RO32 Group E - Sunday 20:00 CET [BSL20] RO32 Group F - Saturday 20:00 CET [ASL19] Ro8 Day 4 [CSLPRO] $1000 Spring is Here!
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Nintendo Switch Thread Grand Theft Auto VI Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Elon Musk's lies, propaganda, etc. US Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey Surprisingly good films/Hidden Gems
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
BLinD-RawR 50K Post Watch Party The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Why 5v5 Games Keep Us Hooked…
TrAiDoS
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
BW PvZ Balance hypothetic…
Vasoline73
Test Entry for subject
xumakis
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13699 users

Ministry of Win - Statement - Page 19

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 29 Next All
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
September 13 2012 21:32 GMT
#361
On September 14 2012 06:01 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 05:58 animol wrote:
Somehow those kittens make the OP remind me of that one South Park episode where that one company does awful things and makes those "we're sorry" video clips. :D


Exactly what i was thinking. In before video statements by MoW:



Pretty accurate depiction of what they tried to say to us.

I'd like to take note that the pitchforks won't stop until there is an established SC2 organization that monitors esports. I know we are afraid of giving such organization so much power over fear of a repeat of Kespa. But it seems sometime in the near future the SC2 community has to come up with one, whether it be Blizzard taking the initiative first, or the community such as ESF stepping up at connecting globally.

I know it sounds crazy, but its the only way to prevent bad practice, scandals, and crazy situations to go out of hand. Korea has the best infrastructure thus far, and we should somehow model our scene like theirs.
Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
September 13 2012 21:32 GMT
#362
tldr
1. we are not trying to say you cant have a progaming career after 10 years.
2. we are not trying to take all of your stream earnings but we help set it up for you and that should account for some percentage of it.
3. $785 rent (trying to get better here does come with a price you know)
4. yes our food does suck.

heres kittens!
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
September 13 2012 21:34 GMT
#363
The interesting part was the party at night. Why did you not mention it?
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 21:36:38
September 13 2012 21:36 GMT
#364
On September 14 2012 06:00 ThePhan2m wrote:
Comon, give the guy a break. Players have a responisiblity as well. He is just trying to keep the place going!

I bet most of you guys commenting couldn't have done half as good a job as this guy and kept the place running.


I heard players have the responsibility to play the frikkin game and entertain us. But maybe I am wrong. It's just what I heard. from an uncle's coworker. actually his nephew's son's postman. You know. . .

And so we have to learn something first to criticise it? How about bribery? or onesided journalism. Do I have to be a journalist to judge a text?

I mean they denied to hand him a copy of the contract so he could doublecheck it with whomever he wanted. Instead they press him in a NDA clause which he didn't sign and they still don't disclose the contract. Instead they make dodgy apologies and try to sound serious with kittens. really?
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
v3chr0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States856 Posts
September 13 2012 21:46 GMT
#365
I find it very hard to take this "statement" seriously

Yea I read what they said... but I can't stop thinking about the kittens.





+ Show Spoiler +
Do not put animals of any form, on anything serious. You will not be taken serious
"He catches him with his pants down, backs him off into a corner, and then it's over." - Khaldor
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
September 13 2012 21:46 GMT
#366
Let's just burn down the frikkin building because of silly business decisions on one side, and naivety on the other.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 22:00:11
September 13 2012 21:50 GMT
#367
Kittens!! <3

Feel bit sry for Mow that they had to post a response due to the other thread getting so manny replies.
Mow did nothing major wrong it seems,this whole incident is barely worth noting tbh.
Its just a misunderstanding between an emotional player and a starting pro organisation.
No big deal at all, its not like someone getting kicked out of a pro team or whole pro team dismantle for obscure reasons like happens in korea lol.
The fact that this got so much attention i can only explain by the fact that everyone on this forum must be bored to death and dying for some drama to entertain. (me included).
Dont think its good for the scene as a whole though, it makes the scene looks verry immature wich might deter sponsors.
Think noone here has been seriously angry with Mow btw, nor with fuzer beside some silly haters.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 21:55:20
September 13 2012 21:54 GMT
#368
Doesn't address why they didn't send the laywer a copy and why they only decided to pay him back once he threatened to come public with the information..


Also, the contract still sounded completely insane. I still think it was a smart decision to not sign it blindly.
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Leijona
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland56 Posts
September 13 2012 21:57 GMT
#369
Still lies... why cabt they just properly admit how they screwed up..
Mazzi
Profile Joined August 2012
440 Posts
September 13 2012 21:58 GMT
#370
Cant take this company serious anymore with those kitten pics
TheDraken
Profile Joined July 2011
United States640 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 22:05:36
September 13 2012 22:00 GMT
#371
lol. wow.

clearly so much left out of this because they have no valid excuse for things like waking up all the players at night with parties.

the kitten pictures at the bottom only reinforce everyone's assumptions that the management can't even properly write a professional response, let alone a sane contract.


...
i just stared at the first picture that said "you love us now, right?" wondering how anyone could have thought that would be convincing or acceptable. clearly their only motivation for writing this was so they wouldn't get bad publicity. they don't really give a shit about the situation. all they care about is their image.
fast food. y u no make me fast? <( ಠ益ಠ <)
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
September 13 2012 22:06 GMT
#372
Upon hearing about this 'Boss' from Fuzer's thread, and now reading this POS apology, I can't help but shake the feeling that we have another Gus Ledesma on our hands.

Anyone remember that?

Panthae
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada205 Posts
September 13 2012 22:07 GMT
#373
People are overreacting. MoW fucked up when they didn't have him sign before he got in. Fuzer fucked up when he moved in without a signed contract. Period. Everyone is at fault here, everyone learned, we move on. They asked for the lawyers credentials so that the actual contract format wouldn't get leaked on a site like teamliquid.net where our wonderful community will rage the shit out of anything, I get that. Fuzer very unprofessionally went and raged on a thread without having closed this issue, which only envenoms everything from thereon out. I mean geez guys, of course MoW gets a cut from the streams, the fact that they are in MoW brings in hundreds of more viewers and these players are getting top notch practice to perfect their play and win more money and more viewers in the future. The players win here, I'm not putting the fault only on MoW, I think what they are doing is a great thing and I think it's important to encourage such endeavors even if they are going to screw up from time to time.

If I had the money, I'd start a gaming house tomorrow... And trust me I would fuck many things up BIG TIME, but I'd learn throughout the process and I'd still be growing e-Sports. So please stop dissing MoW, who've done nothing wrong except end up with an unsigned player who was being difficult and then handled it poorly.
For Aïur?
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
September 13 2012 22:12 GMT
#374
In the end, I just have to go /facepalm to both parties...
Fuzer wasn't smart enough to check up on the contract BEFORE he got to Poland. Any intelligent adult would think what the terms are before they get themselves involved in it.
MoW screwed up in the sense that they cannot show any sort of professionalism in their business conduct. The fact that their amenities and the boss' conduct in the house just makes it seem that they cannot run a proper business.

I really like the idea of having an intense gaming house out of Korea, but it seems like the organization and even the contract seems extremely unprofessional.
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
September 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#375
On September 14 2012 07:07 Panthae wrote:
People are overreacting. MoW fucked up when they didn't have him sign before he got in. Fuzer fucked up when he moved in without a signed contract. Period. Everyone is at fault here, everyone learned, we move on. They asked for the lawyers credentials so that the actual contract format wouldn't get leaked on a site like teamliquid.net where our wonderful community will rage the shit out of anything, I get that. Fuzer very unprofessionally went and raged on a thread without having closed this issue, which only envenoms everything from thereon out. I mean geez guys, of course MoW gets a cut from the streams, the fact that they are in MoW brings in hundreds of more viewers and these players are getting top notch practice to perfect their play and win more money and more viewers in the future. The players win here, I'm not putting the fault only on MoW, I think what they are doing is a great thing and I think it's important to encourage such endeavors even if they are going to screw up from time to time.

If I had the money, I'd start a gaming house tomorrow... And trust me I would fuck many things up BIG TIME, but I'd learn throughout the process and I'd still be growing e-Sports. So please stop dissing MoW, who've done nothing wrong except end up with an unsigned player who was being difficult and then handled it poorly.


Your post would have been great on the first page; it might have made certain people think twice about posting their blind hatred fo-

Holy shit, did they really put kitten pictures up?

Yeah. Definitely handled it poorly.
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
September 13 2012 22:21 GMT
#376
you guys are hurting esports so i hate you!
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
froGGifyre
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States213 Posts
September 13 2012 22:23 GMT
#377
Cats? Really? It was good until the cats threw all that professionalism out the window.
channel PanK since '00 twitter.com/froggifyre twitch.tv/froggifyre
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
September 13 2012 22:25 GMT
#378
Kinda buried their own grave with kittens.

http://pygmymarmoset.net/image/pygmy-marmoset-head.jpg

If it were these little mammals I would've been a lot happier.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
September 13 2012 22:26 GMT
#379
On September 14 2012 07:21 adiga wrote:
you guys are hurting esports so i hate you!

Take your stinkin' paws off me, you damn dirty ape!
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
NaTTanael
Profile Joined August 2011
22 Posts
September 13 2012 22:27 GMT
#380
You will make drama even out of kitten picture... way to go sc2 community!
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 29 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Circuito Brasileiro de…
19:00
A Decisão - Playoffs D1
CosmosSc2 1661
CranKy Ducklings130
EnkiAlexander 44
davetesta13
Liquipedia
BSL Season 20
18:00
RO32 - Group F
WolFix vs ZZZero
Razz vs Zazu
ZZZero.O203
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
CosmosSc2 1661
ProTech106
Ketroc 71
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4532
firebathero 251
ZZZero.O 203
Dewaltoss 133
sSak 64
Movie 33
soO 26
Sexy 16
Dota 2
Dendi1527
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1114
Fnx 727
flusha310
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor347
Other Games
tarik_tv22436
gofns13585
summit1g11767
Grubby3478
FrodaN3361
B2W.Neo761
Mlord651
crisheroes373
ToD310
mouzStarbuck162
NeuroSwarm121
Hui .113
Trikslyr78
NarutO 22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1932
EGCTV1883
StarCraft 2
ESL.tv121
angryscii 55
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 113
• tFFMrPink 21
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 3DClanTV 22
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler124
League of Legends
• Jankos1294
• Doublelift1165
Other Games
• Scarra1036
• Shiphtur278
• WagamamaTV227
Upcoming Events
Online Event
7h 48m
MaxPax vs herO
SHIN vs Cure
Clem vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs herO
ShoWTimE vs Clem
Sparkling Tuna Cup
13h 48m
WardiTV Invitational
14h 48m
AllThingsProtoss
14h 48m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
17h 48m
Chat StarLeague
19h 48m
BSL Season 20
21h 48m
MadiNho vs dxtr13
Gypsy vs Dark
Circuito Brasileiro de…
22h 48m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 13h
BeSt vs Light
Wardi Open
1d 14h
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Soulkey
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
GSL Code S
3 days
ByuN vs Rogue
herO vs Cure
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL Code S
4 days
Classic vs Reynor
GuMiho vs Maru
The PondCast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
GSL Code S
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Nation Wars Season 2
PiG Sty Festival 6.0
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSLPRO Spring 2025
2025 GSL S1
Heroes 10 EU
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

NPSL S3
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.