On September 14 2012 05:58 animol wrote: Somehow those kittens make the OP remind me of that one South Park episode where that one company does awful things and makes those "we're sorry" video clips. :D
Exactly what i was thinking. In before video statements by MoW:
Pretty accurate depiction of what they tried to say to us.
I'd like to take note that the pitchforks won't stop until there is an established SC2 organization that monitors esports. I know we are afraid of giving such organization so much power over fear of a repeat of Kespa. But it seems sometime in the near future the SC2 community has to come up with one, whether it be Blizzard taking the initiative first, or the community such as ESF stepping up at connecting globally.
I know it sounds crazy, but its the only way to prevent bad practice, scandals, and crazy situations to go out of hand. Korea has the best infrastructure thus far, and we should somehow model our scene like theirs.
tldr 1. we are not trying to say you cant have a progaming career after 10 years. 2. we are not trying to take all of your stream earnings but we help set it up for you and that should account for some percentage of it. 3. $785 rent (trying to get better here does come with a price you know) 4. yes our food does suck.
On September 14 2012 06:00 ThePhan2m wrote: Comon, give the guy a break. Players have a responisiblity as well. He is just trying to keep the place going!
I bet most of you guys commenting couldn't have done half as good a job as this guy and kept the place running.
I heard players have the responsibility to play the frikkin game and entertain us. But maybe I am wrong. It's just what I heard. from an uncle's coworker. actually his nephew's son's postman. You know. . .
And so we have to learn something first to criticise it? How about bribery? or onesided journalism. Do I have to be a journalist to judge a text?
I mean they denied to hand him a copy of the contract so he could doublecheck it with whomever he wanted. Instead they press him in a NDA clause which he didn't sign and they still don't disclose the contract. Instead they make dodgy apologies and try to sound serious with kittens. really?
Feel bit sry for Mow that they had to post a response due to the other thread getting so manny replies. Mow did nothing major wrong it seems,this whole incident is barely worth noting tbh. Its just a misunderstanding between an emotional player and a starting pro organisation. No big deal at all, its not like someone getting kicked out of a pro team or whole pro team dismantle for obscure reasons like happens in korea lol. The fact that this got so much attention i can only explain by the fact that everyone on this forum must be bored to death and dying for some drama to entertain. (me included). Dont think its good for the scene as a whole though, it makes the scene looks verry immature wich might deter sponsors. Think noone here has been seriously angry with Mow btw, nor with fuzer beside some silly haters.
Doesn't address why they didn't send the laywer a copy and why they only decided to pay him back once he threatened to come public with the information..
Also, the contract still sounded completely insane. I still think it was a smart decision to not sign it blindly.
clearly so much left out of this because they have no valid excuse for things like waking up all the players at night with parties.
the kitten pictures at the bottom only reinforce everyone's assumptions that the management can't even properly write a professional response, let alone a sane contract.
... i just stared at the first picture that said "you love us now, right?" wondering how anyone could have thought that would be convincing or acceptable. clearly their only motivation for writing this was so they wouldn't get bad publicity. they don't really give a shit about the situation. all they care about is their image.
Upon hearing about this 'Boss' from Fuzer's thread, and now reading this POS apology, I can't help but shake the feeling that we have another Gus Ledesma on our hands.
People are overreacting. MoW fucked up when they didn't have him sign before he got in. Fuzer fucked up when he moved in without a signed contract. Period. Everyone is at fault here, everyone learned, we move on. They asked for the lawyers credentials so that the actual contract format wouldn't get leaked on a site like teamliquid.net where our wonderful community will rage the shit out of anything, I get that. Fuzer very unprofessionally went and raged on a thread without having closed this issue, which only envenoms everything from thereon out. I mean geez guys, of course MoW gets a cut from the streams, the fact that they are in MoW brings in hundreds of more viewers and these players are getting top notch practice to perfect their play and win more money and more viewers in the future. The players win here, I'm not putting the fault only on MoW, I think what they are doing is a great thing and I think it's important to encourage such endeavors even if they are going to screw up from time to time.
If I had the money, I'd start a gaming house tomorrow... And trust me I would fuck many things up BIG TIME, but I'd learn throughout the process and I'd still be growing e-Sports. So please stop dissing MoW, who've done nothing wrong except end up with an unsigned player who was being difficult and then handled it poorly.
In the end, I just have to go /facepalm to both parties... Fuzer wasn't smart enough to check up on the contract BEFORE he got to Poland. Any intelligent adult would think what the terms are before they get themselves involved in it. MoW screwed up in the sense that they cannot show any sort of professionalism in their business conduct. The fact that their amenities and the boss' conduct in the house just makes it seem that they cannot run a proper business.
I really like the idea of having an intense gaming house out of Korea, but it seems like the organization and even the contract seems extremely unprofessional.
On September 14 2012 07:07 Panthae wrote: People are overreacting. MoW fucked up when they didn't have him sign before he got in. Fuzer fucked up when he moved in without a signed contract. Period. Everyone is at fault here, everyone learned, we move on. They asked for the lawyers credentials so that the actual contract format wouldn't get leaked on a site like teamliquid.net where our wonderful community will rage the shit out of anything, I get that. Fuzer very unprofessionally went and raged on a thread without having closed this issue, which only envenoms everything from thereon out. I mean geez guys, of course MoW gets a cut from the streams, the fact that they are in MoW brings in hundreds of more viewers and these players are getting top notch practice to perfect their play and win more money and more viewers in the future. The players win here, I'm not putting the fault only on MoW, I think what they are doing is a great thing and I think it's important to encourage such endeavors even if they are going to screw up from time to time.
If I had the money, I'd start a gaming house tomorrow... And trust me I would fuck many things up BIG TIME, but I'd learn throughout the process and I'd still be growing e-Sports. So please stop dissing MoW, who've done nothing wrong except end up with an unsigned player who was being difficult and then handled it poorly.
Your post would have been great on the first page; it might have made certain people think twice about posting their blind hatred fo-
Holy shit, did they really put kitten pictures up?
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