Ministry of Win - Statement - Page 21

CeriseCherries

6170 Posts

September 13 2012 23:20 GMT

#401

the kittens are super cute but made me lose respect by leaps and bounds for the prose.

i mean yea some people are taking the drama too far... but like a sorry we will try to be even better or whatever is a good touch

i mean when aristotle wrote about rhetoric, he described ethos, pathos, logos, and insulting your audience's intelligence by giving them cute pictures and using that as an apology. oh wait. he didnt talk about the last one.

Crisco

1170 Posts

September 13 2012 23:21 GMT

#402

Only two things I don't trust in life. Cats and MoW.. and both are on the same page -.-

Gentso

United States2218 Posts

September 13 2012 23:22 GMT

#403

Hahaha, this is hilarious! 99% of the time this community will eat up any wall of text apology. But as soon as there's kitten pictures attached it's a different story.

Beavo

Canada293 Posts

September 13 2012 23:23 GMT

#404

On September 14 2012 04:32 coolguy00 wrote:
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)

[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney

[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have

[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok

[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month

[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money

[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules

[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?

[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again

[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well

[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it

[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money

[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?

[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.

I don't understand how anyone who has read this^ could still defend MoW or "Boss".

So I don't have your money .... Seriously that is sleazy.

I am sure it has been sad 30 times but small mistakes by both parties, making sure the contract is signed and ready to go before moving in could have prevented all of this

PlacidPanda

United States246 Posts

September 13 2012 23:23 GMT

#405

Kittens....KITTENS? TAKE MY MONEY DAMNIT!!!

Dreamer.T

United States3584 Posts

September 13 2012 23:24 GMT

#406

Putting that kitty picture near the end removed any seriousness the message had. Did you really think we'd find that funny?

p2jh

France24 Posts

September 13 2012 23:26 GMT

#407

On September 14 2012 07:25 RogerX wrote:
Kinda buried their own grave with kittens.

http://pygmymarmoset.net/image/pygmy-marmoset-head.jpg

If it were these little mammals I would've been a lot happier.

Wowow

Am I high or do his eyes move?

I swear I haven't been drunk for monthes

ruhrohraggy

United States20 Posts

September 13 2012 23:28 GMT

#408

On September 14 2012 05:31 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 14 2012 05:04 dacimvrl wrote:

On September 14 2012 05:01 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:

On September 14 2012 04:59 dacimvrl wrote:

On September 14 2012 04:54 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:

On September 14 2012 04:51 dacimvrl wrote:

On September 14 2012 04:47 ~Maverick~ wrote:

On September 14 2012 04:45 dacimvrl wrote:

On September 14 2012 04:37 Roman666 wrote:

I don't understand why people get so excited about this mouth off.

It like:

1. Give me back my money I am leaving.
2. You are entitled to get shit.
3. But I paid you for the whole month in advance and I am leaving now.
4. You violated the rules of the contract.
5. Hahahaha I never signed it so I dont have to obey the rules!
6. Hahahaha I never got your money. In fact you were never here.

except for

1. Give me back my money, you kicked me out because I didn't want to sign the contract before running it through my lawyer, which you wouldn't let me unless I provide you with the credentials of my lawyer. <- yeh okay dude.
2. pretty much as you said.
3. But I paid you in advance, and you kicked me out, because I won't be coerced to sign the shady contract, which I didn't want to sign before running it through my lawyer first.
4. You violated a contract you didn't even sign, so I get to keep the monies.
5. I didn't sign it.
6. har har, i never got your money.

Now that I provided the actual context, better?

Basically, he should have been forced to sign the contract before he moved in.

or they should have just sent Fuzer a copy of the contract so he could run it through his lawyer. How's that even hard? How? Why does MoW even want Fuzer's lawyer's credentials or whatever? What does it even concern them? Let's just omit all that and post pictures of kittens

Or, you can just not give random people money. You know? It's kind of standard in life. Would you just give some random guy $500? No, but that's what fuzer did. Never signed the contract, so this is his problem. He's the one who fucked up. Sneaky or not, MoW>fuzer.

except for MoW isn't a random someone, they've had notable community figures visiting their house, notable endorsements such as Razer, Twitch...etc.

With all those "credentials", you would expect some decency, honesty, and some ethics.....or not lol. Not even sneaky, this is shady, unethical business practice at best. I'd suggest you to watch DarkForce's video response or read what FXOBoSs has to say so you can understand the whole issue better.

No, I understand it. Just people acting stupid to other people acting stupid. Both sides here are pretty stupid. They both fucked up, I get that they aren't some random somebody. But holy fuck, don't send them money in the first place without a contract, that shit is shady. No idea why people are defending fuzer anyways

No you don't understand it.. Did you even read the part where Fuzer requested a copy of the contract so he could run it through his lawyer, but it was denied by MoW? and MoW, for some reason wanted to see the lawyer's credentials? IMO, wanting a lawyer to go through your contract before signing it isn't stupid at all.

hindsight is 20/20, but it doesn't change the fact that MoW's contract is full of shit and the Boss guy is a very shady individual..etc.

Yes, I do understand it. I read it, still his fault. I'm sorry that fuzer isn't actually a smart person. He's an idiot. The end.

Let me add some more, he sent them money before a contract. That's all that needs to be said here.

I dont think you understand it at all. Sure, Fuzer might be out some money now if MoW doesnt give it back. But he will continue to be a part of this community and continue playing. MoW, on the other hand, is done. This community cares about the players and MoW should have thought about that before fucking with him.

Edit: this is more about profession integrity more than anything. If MoW doesnt have it then it is not going to be successful in a niche community like esports where organizations try to work together with everyone to make to scene grow.

Baarn

United States2702 Posts

September 13 2012 23:30 GMT

#409

I think the only people winning at the ministry of win is the management. Especially with these "clarifications." I don't blame Fuzer for deciding to not want to sign some agreement like that. You make it sound like he stayed there for awhile? If you want someone to "check out" your place you keep them there for a few days or a week at most. With the terms you guys are offering it seems like you guys are looking for indentured servants more than anything else. Good luck with that. You won't get anyone that has any self esteem.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

September 13 2012 23:36 GMT

#410

I.don't understand what would be so hard about refunding the money less however many days he stayed stayed there then coming out with a press release saying he's been refunded. It's the only logical step.

Instead by dodging the most important question you're asking the community to doubt.your motives on everything.

Kevin_Sorbo

Canada3217 Posts

September 13 2012 23:37 GMT

#411

wtf??
kittens??

bs

if you guys wanna be taken seriously, kittens are not the way.

btw, how come the only ppl posting in defense of MOW are poles with 4 posts a piece?

ki11z0ne

United States427 Posts

September 13 2012 23:40 GMT

#412

they both messed up and i like kittens ^_^. i just do not understand why this dude gave them $$$ BEFOR any of the paper work....or is that normal?

docvoc

United States5491 Posts

September 13 2012 23:45 GMT

#413

On September 14 2012 01:24 Plansix wrote:
Pretty much as expected. The offer of a refund was a good move and it sounds like a poor decision by both sides. This should be a lesson to all, do not put 10 year terms into your contracts for any reason. It sends the wrong message and makes all the other terms seem overly agressive. It is also not enforcable and unreasonable.

Also, the kittens are a critical part of the argument.

I agree with everything you said, especially the kittens. They are a necessary and formal part of this argument

Fealthas

607 Posts

September 13 2012 23:46 GMT

#414

Kittens...really? Unprofessional much?

bellyfrog

New Zealand72 Posts

September 13 2012 23:46 GMT

#415

Well, I don't like the way things get blown up around eSports but I think the main thing people had an objection to was your initial refusal to refund the money, which gets not even a word of mention in this statement.

You should come out and apologize for that behaviour imo.

Edit - Or at least man up to that behaviour and don't try to shirk around it. There are valid reasons why you wouldn't refund all of his money, if that money has already been used on provisions for the coming months in anticipation of his stay in the house. That's perfectly valid. Just don't ignore it.

Infernal_dream

United States2359 Posts

September 13 2012 23:51 GMT

#416

I honestly can't believe how many people like the kittens part of the post? Is this serious? They're trying to post a formal defense for themselves and they post pictures of fucking cats at the end of it? What would you think if the lease to your house had a cover page with cats on it. Pretty sure you'd wonder what the fuck are these people thinking. Same rules need to be applied here. It's supposed to be a professional business, they fucked someone over and then post a defense ending in cats. Fail as fuck.

Lord Lunga

Sweden33 Posts

September 13 2012 23:55 GMT

#417

When MoW replaces the shady "boss" with someone not involved in criminal activities, I may believe some of what they say.

followZeRoX

Serbia1449 Posts

September 13 2012 23:55 GMT

#418

very immature "statement", there wasnt anything concrete about the situation, or should I say, very little. This text is seriously brain insulting and retarded. People who care about drama doesent want to listen how is your house functioning but to hear more details of your defence. But there werent any. Shitty move, I am now more sorry for Fuzer. And ofc cats...Rofl, wtf. In serious statement you are putting few cats, I mean, this is either troll or immature stupid kid wrote this up.

StarcraftWonders

United States59 Posts

September 14 2012 00:02 GMT

#419

this is kinda wierd. not good for the reputation of MoW

Castigo

United Kingdom34 Posts

September 14 2012 00:07 GMT

#420

Personally i think there has been BIG mistakes from both parties, MoW apologised and tried to rectify it (after the witch hunt), Fuzer didn't. Imho time to close the thread and move on.

p.s. Kittens in an official statement..... i wonder who is their PR - i really do

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