EPTOn August 30 2012 13:53 antifan wrote:
So 2nd place GSL and IPL is bad now? Also deep at red bull.
So 2nd place GSL and IPL is bad now? Also deep at red bull.
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NASL invites DRG, MMA, Violet and Taeja to S4 - Page 5
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
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antifan
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FrodaN
754 Posts
On August 30 2012 13:53 antifan wrote: So 2nd place GSL and IPL is bad now? Also deep at red bull. By our measurements, Squirtle has had 3 performances giving him points. IPL and 2 GSLs. Violet has had 11 strong performances and won 2 events. Now the argument remains whether we should put other tournaments at a higher value than others. We want to remove as much bias as possible from the system to filter out subjectivity. Some people consider IPL4 an insanely hard tournament because it measures marathon playing ability combined with 40+ koreans. GSL has preparation and mind games factored into it. It measures different skillsets. We can't remove all bias (such as prize pool $$). Only safe way to is to equalize them and show performance across the board. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On August 30 2012 13:59 antifan wrote: There needs to be a link to a page that shows who's in the top bunch of players. I need to know if Squirtle declined or if he wasn't top 4. These top 4 basically just competed in every tournament. Startale doesn't give that great of an opportunity for their players to compete in foreign cups. The full ranking will be online in a couple weeks. I can tell you that Squirtle is currently rank 31 based on performance at major LANs. You are 100% correct. There is a bias in this system towards players that participate in as many tournaments as possible. Our hope, however, is that ultimately, the guys on top - the invites - will always be representative of the best players in the world. In this case, I think we're doing pretty well. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
I like the invites (violet is meh to me), but should be another big season | ||
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kaarotto
Colombia38 Posts
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TeslasPigeon
464 Posts
On August 30 2012 12:58 FrodaN wrote: Pros: - Provides relevant tournament results. Can't just win 1 tournament and nothing else. i.e. Jjakji - Consistency is proven over time. 1 strong placing shouldn't mean you keep the points forever else you risk having "undeserving" players. - Decay is extremely minor as 1 point per day is nothing in comparison to how often tournaments run Cons: - Extremely unforgiving to people who can't travel to events often Believe it or not, there are several cases of players who place respectably in the top 16-32 all the time and have a strong ranking because of it. Grubby comes to mind here. Thank you for replying, but I still don't agree with the decay system. One first place finish isn't going to help as opposed to someone consistently making it in the top four. The disparity between points is only 73. A decaying system, as you said, hurts those unable to travel and will hurt players who place between 9-32nd where a difference of a single point could boost or lower your rank by 7 places. It might be more fair to make each separate rank differ in amount of points, rather than lumping 9 places into a set amount of points. If you want to reward people for showing up and competing at tournaments, you can and should; the current scale of points doesn't allow for such. | ||
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antifan
116 Posts
On August 30 2012 14:02 MrBitter wrote: The full ranking will be online in a couple weeks. I can tell you that Squirtle is currently rank 31 based on performance at major LANs. You are 100% correct. There is a bias in this system towards players that participate in as many tournaments as possible. Our hope, however, is that ultimately, the guys on top - the invites - will always be representative of the best players in the world. In this case, I think we're doing pretty well. Well can you tell us where MC is? He should be number one. | ||
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nt-rAven
Canada405 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 30 2012 14:06 antifan wrote: Well can you tell us where MC is? He should be number one. Hes already qualified for NASl because of last season. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On August 30 2012 14:06 antifan wrote: Well can you tell us where MC is? He should be number one. He is number one. By like... almost 1,000 points. He is way ahead of everyone else. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On August 30 2012 14:06 antifan wrote: Well can you tell us where MC is? He should be number one. Honestly, who let you out without your helmet? As always, the remaining spots in the league are filled by players whom: • Placed in the top 33 spots in NASL Season 3 • Placed in the top 4 of the Season 3 Open Tournament • Won one of the NASL Season 4 Qualifiers. Therefore he is already qualified and does not require an invite. If you'd like to know how many points he has, search TLPD READ THE OP, and do the math yourself. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On August 30 2012 14:04 TeslasPigeon wrote: Thank you for replying, but I still don't agree with the decay system. One first place finish isn't going to help as opposed to someone consistently making it in the top four. The disparity between points is only 73. A decaying system, as you said, hurts those unable to travel and will hurt players who place between 9-32nd where a difference of a single point could boost or lower your rank by 7 places. It might be more fair to make each separate rank differ in amount of points, rather than lumping 9 places into a set amount of points. If you want to reward people for showing up and competing at tournaments, you can and should; the current scale of points doesn't allow for such. Problem with rewarding each individual placing is that most tournaments don't play games to determine placings beyond 3rd. Admittedly, the decay is the part of our system that we're the most unsure of. Ultimately we decided a win should be relevant for a year, and that other results should be proportionally relevant on a sliding scale. We'll see what the rankings look like in a year, and if need be, will make some changes. Honestly, though, I think it's pretty damn solid right now. | ||
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Morrolan
United States182 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On August 30 2012 14:14 Morrolan wrote: Sooooo the last invite is Scarlett right??? I can dream. .. Shame that the WCSs aren't considered... at least not til China. Then I would assume those results get added. Clarification Bitter? Frodan? | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
Nice invites, not sureif DRG + MMA has posted any results so far though | ||
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habeck
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nt-rAven
Canada405 Posts
On August 30 2012 14:19 TAMinator wrote: I first read that as "NASA is inviting DRG ..." xD Nice invites, not sureif DRG + MMA has posted any results so far though I bet you both make NASL final even though! | ||
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