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NASL invites DRG, MMA, Violet and Taeja to S4 - Page 6

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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
August 30 2012 05:29 GMT
#101
On August 30 2012 14:19 TAMinator wrote:
Nice invites, not sureif DRG + MMA has posted any results so far though


Not sure if serious...
beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
August 30 2012 05:30 GMT
#102
True Dong + #based #taeja + Detroit Tigers Terran = Great news! Should make for interesting and exciting matches - super stoked.
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 05:33:55
August 30 2012 05:32 GMT
#103
Did MMA accept it ? Considering he says he's not in shape for foreign events. (i know season 4 is not here for a while yet just wondering)
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 30 2012 05:42 GMT
#104
Yes, Taeja invite! Liquid always has a strong presence in the NASL with Ret and Hero making them constantly. Now with Taeja, Liquid is gonna own this tournament!!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
August 30 2012 05:44 GMT
#105
On August 30 2012 14:18 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 14:14 Morrolan wrote:
Sooooo the last invite is Scarlett right??? I can dream. ..

Shame that the WCSs aren't considered... at least not til China. Then I would assume those results get added. Clarification Bitter? Frodan?


Yes, of course the WCS final will be considered.

To be clear, the only reason WCS qualifiers aren't counted is because they're region locked.

All players announced are confirmed for season 4. They have all accepted.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
August 30 2012 05:46 GMT
#106
On August 30 2012 14:42 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Yes, Taeja invite! Liquid always has a strong presence in the NASL with Ret and Hero making them constantly. Now with Taeja, Liquid is gonna own this tournament!!


Liquid has a very strong presence indeed, seeing that Sheth, TLO and Zenio are all qualified for season five.

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Nony was right all along!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 30 2012 05:46 GMT
#107
On August 30 2012 14:32 Lysanias wrote:
Did MMA accept it ? Considering he says he's not in shape for foreign events. (i know season 4 is not here for a while yet just wondering)

that might've been due to slayers not wanting him traveling, or not being able to foot the bill, etc

/speculation
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sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 30 2012 05:47 GMT
#108
On August 30 2012 14:44 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 14:18 Dosey wrote:
On August 30 2012 14:14 Morrolan wrote:
Sooooo the last invite is Scarlett right??? I can dream. ..

Shame that the WCSs aren't considered... at least not til China. Then I would assume those results get added. Clarification Bitter? Frodan?


Yes, of course the WCS final will be considered.

To be clear, the only reason WCS qualifiers aren't counted is because they're region locked.

All players announced are confirmed for season 4. They have all accepted.

great to see MMA in some more foreigner stuff, and ive been loving nasl casting so much since beginning of last season, u guys doing a great job :D
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 30 2012 05:48 GMT
#109
On August 30 2012 14:46 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 14:32 Lysanias wrote:
Did MMA accept it ? Considering he says he's not in shape for foreign events. (i know season 4 is not here for a while yet just wondering)

that might've been due to slayers not wanting him traveling, or not being able to foot the bill, etc

/speculation

did iem pay for travel for group players? or am i making that up
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
August 30 2012 05:52 GMT
#110
On August 30 2012 14:11 MrBitter wrote:
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On August 30 2012 14:04 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:58 FrodaN wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:49 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Could someone explain the possible pros and cons of the decay system? It seems unnecessary. To me that the decay system will not hurt first or second place players, it seems unfair for everyone beyond 10th place where every point matters.


Pros:
- Provides relevant tournament results. Can't just win 1 tournament and nothing else. i.e. Jjakji
- Consistency is proven over time. 1 strong placing shouldn't mean you keep the points forever else you risk having "undeserving" players.
- Decay is extremely minor as 1 point per day is nothing in comparison to how often tournaments run

Cons:
- Extremely unforgiving to people who can't travel to events often

Believe it or not, there are several cases of players who place respectably in the top 16-32 all the time and have a strong ranking because of it. Grubby comes to mind here.



Thank you for replying, but I still don't agree with the decay system. One first place finish isn't going to help as opposed to someone consistently making it in the top four. The disparity between points is only 73. A decaying system, as you said, hurts those unable to travel and will hurt players who place between 9-32nd where a difference of a single point could boost or lower your rank by 7 places. It might be more fair to make each separate rank differ in amount of points, rather than lumping 9 places into a set amount of points. If you want to reward people for showing up and competing at tournaments, you can and should; the current scale of points doesn't allow for such.


Problem with rewarding each individual placing is that most tournaments don't play games to determine placings beyond 3rd.

Admittedly, the decay is the part of our system that we're the most unsure of.

Ultimately we decided a win should be relevant for a year, and that other results should be proportionally relevant on a sliding scale.

We'll see what the rankings look like in a year, and if need be, will make some changes.

Honestly, though, I think it's pretty damn solid right now.


In all fairness, your ranking is the best out of all the leagues. It does reward consistency than flavors. It can however, be even more consistent.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4408 Posts
August 30 2012 05:55 GMT
#111
On August 30 2012 13:06 MrBitter wrote:
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On August 30 2012 12:26 JJH777 wrote:
GSL being valued equally to all those other tournaments is hilarious.


GSL happens much more frequently than these other events, and as such is actually valued more.

edit: weighted is probably the wrong word to use there, but because GSL happens just about once per month, the guys doing well there will end up with more points.


Umm what? There have only been 3 GSL's this year. That's less events than most of the other leagues you listed and no where near once per month.
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
August 30 2012 05:59 GMT
#112
siiiiiiiiiiiiiiick, long time lover of NASL, since season 1, hope we can get these guys in! Taeja and Violet will for sure join, but that would be awesome if MMA and DRG did as well! Especially DRG
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
FrodaN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
754 Posts
August 30 2012 06:00 GMT
#113
On August 30 2012 14:55 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 13:06 MrBitter wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:26 JJH777 wrote:
GSL being valued equally to all those other tournaments is hilarious.


GSL happens much more frequently than these other events, and as such is actually valued more.

edit: weighted is probably the wrong word to use there, but because GSL happens just about once per month, the guys doing well there will end up with more points.


Umm what? There have only been 3 GSL's this year. That's less events than most of the other leagues you listed and no where near once per month.


GSL is highly regarded in many people's eyes (especially my own). I don't take the tournament lightly in the slightest.

However, if we have to be honest with ourselves, it's a complete biased situation. GSL measures different kinds of skill compared to other tournaments. We have players that get far into GSL that aren't necessarily on top all the time. Players that succeed at GSL won't succeed in other tournaments and vice versa.

We try to remove as much human judgment as possible to have an objective system. For now, until we can get a strong measurement of why GSL is better objectively (and I want a reason to say this because I believe it is), we'll stick to this system.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 30 2012 06:00 GMT
#114
On August 30 2012 14:55 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 13:06 MrBitter wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:26 JJH777 wrote:
GSL being valued equally to all those other tournaments is hilarious.


GSL happens much more frequently than these other events, and as such is actually valued more.

edit: weighted is probably the wrong word to use there, but because GSL happens just about once per month, the guys doing well there will end up with more points.


Umm what? There have only been 3 GSL's this year. That's less events than most of the other leagues you listed and no where near once per month.

It was once a month or so last year which this includes and they have other events in GSL too sometimes.
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 30 2012 06:11 GMT
#115
On August 30 2012 15:00 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 14:55 JJH777 wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:06 MrBitter wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:26 JJH777 wrote:
GSL being valued equally to all those other tournaments is hilarious.


GSL happens much more frequently than these other events, and as such is actually valued more.

edit: weighted is probably the wrong word to use there, but because GSL happens just about once per month, the guys doing well there will end up with more points.


Umm what? There have only been 3 GSL's this year. That's less events than most of the other leagues you listed and no where near once per month.

It was once a month or so last year which this includes and they have other events in GSL too sometimes.

arent they only using 2012?
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 06:13:07
August 30 2012 06:12 GMT
#116
On August 30 2012 15:11 sam05396 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 15:00 mrtomjones wrote:
On August 30 2012 14:55 JJH777 wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:06 MrBitter wrote:
On August 30 2012 12:26 JJH777 wrote:
GSL being valued equally to all those other tournaments is hilarious.


GSL happens much more frequently than these other events, and as such is actually valued more.

edit: weighted is probably the wrong word to use there, but because GSL happens just about once per month, the guys doing well there will end up with more points.


Umm what? There have only been 3 GSL's this year. That's less events than most of the other leagues you listed and no where near once per month.

It was once a month or so last year which this includes and they have other events in GSL too sometimes.

arent they only using 2012?

Ok I was wrong apparently. Says it right at the end
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
August 30 2012 06:24 GMT
#117
On August 30 2012 12:58 MrBitter wrote:
These aren't invites in the classical sense of the word. These players still qualified by performing better than anyone else in the world. Interesting piece of Trivia: Nerchio was one of our invites, but he declined participation in the league, allowing us to invite someone lower than him on our international ranking.


Wow, you're nerchio's biggest fanboy and he declined to be cast by you every week? Sorry to say, but doesn't sound like he's returning your love.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
August 30 2012 06:33 GMT
#118
On August 30 2012 15:24 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 12:58 MrBitter wrote:
These aren't invites in the classical sense of the word. These players still qualified by performing better than anyone else in the world. Interesting piece of Trivia: Nerchio was one of our invites, but he declined participation in the league, allowing us to invite someone lower than him on our international ranking.


Wow, you're nerchio's biggest fanboy and he declined to be cast by you every week? Sorry to say, but doesn't sound like he's returning your love.


Unrequited love. The story of my life.

And just to reassure everyone, all four of these guys have accepted, and will participate in season 4.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 06:39:22
August 30 2012 06:38 GMT
#119
I have to say.
I bought the first NASL season ticket to support foreign tournaments.
But Season 1 was a big let down.
So I haven't purchased since.

But if you're telling me DongRaeGu will be at the tournament.
...you can count on my support...along with my friends'.
Here's to giving NASL another chance.

moo...for DRG
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 30 2012 06:43 GMT
#120
thanks!
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