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GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
August 27 2012 20:28 GMT
#2121
On August 28 2012 04:05 LighT. wrote:
90 players to the Code A qualifiers huh...
Kespa President:
"Destroy them"


lol. I hope Flash and Jaedong get the two Code S seeds.
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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
August 27 2012 20:36 GMT
#2122
On August 28 2012 04:05 LighT. wrote:
90 players to the Code A qualifiers huh...
Kespa President:
"Destroy them"

"Execute Order Sixty-Six."
My strategy is to fork people.
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
August 27 2012 20:40 GMT
#2123
On August 28 2012 04:05 LighT. wrote:
90 players to the Code A qualifiers huh...
Kespa President:
"Destroy them"


If they manage to get enough players into GSL they can also control the korean SC2 scene. But I prefer this approach much more.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 27 2012 20:41 GMT
#2124
On August 28 2012 05:36 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 04:05 LighT. wrote:
90 players to the Code A qualifiers huh...
Kespa President:
"Destroy them"

"Execute Order Sixty-Six."

lol I can just imagine the kespa pro all walking in to the qualifiers with this soundtrack xD


To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 20:43:13
August 27 2012 20:41 GMT
#2125
On August 28 2012 04:15 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 04:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:09 sam05396 wrote:
On August 28 2012 03:56 Tchado wrote:
kespa bending down to the new world order !

or they are just waiting to kill gom in a situation where they have more leverage


Hopefully they succeed. That would be a sweet revenge for their cooperation in killing BW.


ROFL. Kespa killed GOM in broodwar. Why else do you think they ended up switching to sc2? Because kespa boycotted their bw league. Jesus people at least inform yourself about kespa before you decide to like or hate them.


Maybe you should inform yourself instead. Most KeSPA teams participated for several seasons, various teams, at various times decided not to participate, mostly because they had already extremely packed schedules. To the point some teams were forbidding their players from participating in both MSL and OSL at the same time, in order to have time for PL. Despite that, EIGHT teams participated in season 3

GOMTV Classic was created way after SC2 was announced. It had English commentary despite the fact that there was rather small demand for that. It's not hard to figure out that with Classic, gretech wanted to set a foothold before transitioning to SC2 (which would have bigger international scene, hence English casting for Classic). Five teams wanted to participate in season 4. All despite the fact that Classic was far, far more prestigious than MSL, OSL or PL, and was not broadcasted on the TV.

If not participating in season 4 was politically motivated in case of some teams (which I find likely only for SKT, tbh), than gretech has only itself to blame - during season 3 they partnered up with blizzard, which war openly at was with KeSPA.

So let's sum up. Most KeSPA teams participated in Classic for 3 seasons, in a tournament with no TV coverage, poor production quality, no prestige and straining schedule. Half of them wanted to take part in season 4. Gretech teamed up with KeSPA's biggest enemy yet, which might've caused some teams to rethink their participation, and you're blaming KeSPA for that?

If you want to see how KeSPA making a politically motivated decision looks like, then look of IEG vs. OGN/MBC fiasco. All teams except those affiliated with OGN/MBC boycotted the individual leagues. The situation with Classic looks nothing like that.

So, really, stop making shit up.
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
August 27 2012 20:54 GMT
#2126
On August 28 2012 05:41 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 04:15 blade55555 wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:09 sam05396 wrote:
On August 28 2012 03:56 Tchado wrote:
kespa bending down to the new world order !

or they are just waiting to kill gom in a situation where they have more leverage


Hopefully they succeed. That would be a sweet revenge for their cooperation in killing BW.


ROFL. Kespa killed GOM in broodwar. Why else do you think they ended up switching to sc2? Because kespa boycotted their bw league. Jesus people at least inform yourself about kespa before you decide to like or hate them.


Maybe you should inform yourself instead. Most KeSPA teams participated for several seasons, various teams, at various times decided not to participate, mostly because they had already extremely packed schedules. To the point some teams were forbidding their players from participating in both MSL and OSL at the same time, in order to have time for PL. Despite that, EIGHT teams participated in season 3

GOMTV Classic was created way after SC2 was announced. It had English commentary despite the fact that there was rather small demand for that. It's not hard to figure out that with Classic, gretech wanted to set a foothold before transitioning to SC2 (which would have bigger international scene, hence English casting for Classic). Five teams wanted to participate in season 4. All despite the fact that Classic was far, far more prestigious than MSL, OSL or PL, and was not broadcasted on the TV.

If not participating in season 4 was politically motivated in case of some teams (which I find likely only for SKT, tbh), than gretech has only itself to blame - during season 3 they partnered up with blizzard, which war openly at was with KeSPA.

So let's sum up. Most KeSPA teams participated in Classic for 3 seasons, in a tournament with no TV coverage, poor production quality, no prestige and straining schedule. Half of them wanted to take part in season 4. Gretech teamed up with KeSPA's biggest enemy yet, which might've caused some teams to rethink their participation, and you're blaming KeSPA for that?

If you want to see how KeSPA making a politically motivated decision looks like, then look of IEG vs. OGN/MBC fiasco. All teams except those affiliated with OGN/MBC boycotted the individual leagues. The situation with Classic looks nothing like that.

So, really, stop making shit up.


http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/features/3006
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 21:34:20
August 27 2012 21:33 GMT
#2127
On August 28 2012 05:54 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 05:41 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:15 blade55555 wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:09 sam05396 wrote:
On August 28 2012 03:56 Tchado wrote:
kespa bending down to the new world order !

or they are just waiting to kill gom in a situation where they have more leverage


Hopefully they succeed. That would be a sweet revenge for their cooperation in killing BW.


ROFL. Kespa killed GOM in broodwar. Why else do you think they ended up switching to sc2? Because kespa boycotted their bw league. Jesus people at least inform yourself about kespa before you decide to like or hate them.


Maybe you should inform yourself instead. Most KeSPA teams participated for several seasons, various teams, at various times decided not to participate, mostly because they had already extremely packed schedules. To the point some teams were forbidding their players from participating in both MSL and OSL at the same time, in order to have time for PL. Despite that, EIGHT teams participated in season 3

GOMTV Classic was created way after SC2 was announced. It had English commentary despite the fact that there was rather small demand for that. It's not hard to figure out that with Classic, gretech wanted to set a foothold before transitioning to SC2 (which would have bigger international scene, hence English casting for Classic). Five teams wanted to participate in season 4. All despite the fact that Classic was far, far more prestigious than MSL, OSL or PL, and was not broadcasted on the TV.

If not participating in season 4 was politically motivated in case of some teams (which I find likely only for SKT, tbh), than gretech has only itself to blame - during season 3 they partnered up with blizzard, which war openly at was with KeSPA.

So let's sum up. Most KeSPA teams participated in Classic for 3 seasons, in a tournament with no TV coverage, poor production quality, no prestige and straining schedule. Half of them wanted to take part in season 4. Gretech teamed up with KeSPA's biggest enemy yet, which might've caused some teams to rethink their participation, and you're blaming KeSPA for that?

If you want to see how KeSPA making a politically motivated decision looks like, then look of IEG vs. OGN/MBC fiasco. All teams except those affiliated with OGN/MBC boycotted the individual leagues. The situation with Classic looks nothing like that.

So, really, stop making shit up.


http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/features/3006


thats an opinionated article and does leave out few points.
but i'm not saying it should be ignored, the esf was genuinely concerned of kespa's actions.
i read a korean blog article that criticized gretech for trying to have a piece of the pie that kespa brought up from scratch. gretech teaming up with blizzard as their big brother to protect them, gretech having "legitimate broadcasting rights". author states it justly failed for trying to steal away kespa's efforts.
just saying, there's many ways to look at things.
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
August 27 2012 21:42 GMT
#2128
This is so fucking stupid. I don't understand why kespa keeps making decisions that make little sense and in the end only serves to make them look like assholes. Why can't they each get one representative in a room and talk it out for 5 minutes before they start acting crazy? 5 fucking minutes, resolved, easy.
Grummler
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 21:52:05
August 27 2012 21:46 GMT
#2129
On August 28 2012 06:33 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 05:54 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 28 2012 05:41 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:15 blade55555 wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:09 sam05396 wrote:
On August 28 2012 03:56 Tchado wrote:
kespa bending down to the new world order !

or they are just waiting to kill gom in a situation where they have more leverage


Hopefully they succeed. That would be a sweet revenge for their cooperation in killing BW.


ROFL. Kespa killed GOM in broodwar. Why else do you think they ended up switching to sc2? Because kespa boycotted their bw league. Jesus people at least inform yourself about kespa before you decide to like or hate them.


Maybe you should inform yourself instead. Most KeSPA teams participated for several seasons, various teams, at various times decided not to participate, mostly because they had already extremely packed schedules. To the point some teams were forbidding their players from participating in both MSL and OSL at the same time, in order to have time for PL. Despite that, EIGHT teams participated in season 3

GOMTV Classic was created way after SC2 was announced. It had English commentary despite the fact that there was rather small demand for that. It's not hard to figure out that with Classic, gretech wanted to set a foothold before transitioning to SC2 (which would have bigger international scene, hence English casting for Classic). Five teams wanted to participate in season 4. All despite the fact that Classic was far, far more prestigious than MSL, OSL or PL, and was not broadcasted on the TV.

If not participating in season 4 was politically motivated in case of some teams (which I find likely only for SKT, tbh), than gretech has only itself to blame - during season 3 they partnered up with blizzard, which war openly at was with KeSPA.

So let's sum up. Most KeSPA teams participated in Classic for 3 seasons, in a tournament with no TV coverage, poor production quality, no prestige and straining schedule. Half of them wanted to take part in season 4. Gretech teamed up with KeSPA's biggest enemy yet, which might've caused some teams to rethink their participation, and you're blaming KeSPA for that?

If you want to see how KeSPA making a politically motivated decision looks like, then look of IEG vs. OGN/MBC fiasco. All teams except those affiliated with OGN/MBC boycotted the individual leagues. The situation with Classic looks nothing like that.

So, really, stop making shit up.


http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/features/3006


thats an opinionated article and does leave out few points.
but i'm not saying it should be ignored, the esf was genuinely concerned of kespa's actions.
i read a korean blog article that criticized gretech for trying to have a piece of the pie that kespa brought up from scratch. gretech teaming up with blizzard as their big brother to protect them, gretech having "legitimate broadcasting rights". author states it justly failed for trying to steal away kespa's efforts.
just saying, there's many ways to look at things.


So what is gretech stealing from kespa exactly? Talking about pies and stuff is always easy....

Right now kespa kets all the gsl/gstl stars in exchange for their proleage/starleague stars. Initially kespa tried to get the gsl stars - without offering anything in return. And gretech didn't even complain. The gsl stars themself stopped kespa.

For people who like pie:
It's is more like kespa is trying to steal the little sc2 cake gretech created while kespa ate their big bw pie.

For people who dont care:
OSL tomorrow is going to be awesome nonetheless =)
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 27 2012 21:53 GMT
#2130
On August 28 2012 02:11 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 02:05 Plansix wrote:
Protecting your brand is a valid business decision. Making agreements and then backing out of them at the last minute to attempt to get a better deal through hard ball negotiation is very shitty and frowned almost everywhere in the world.


It's also a common business practice almost everywhere in the world. You just don't hear about it as much since most businesses aren't in the entertainment industry and have forums of fans arguing over all of it.

What everyone is seeing is the dirty side to business that happens every day. Nothing really new happening here except for people who aren't used to watching it unfold.


That is true. I work in the legal field and people pull stuff like what Kespa did all the time. Last minute strong arming is the name of the game and something you get used to. The difference is that there are no press releases about it and we keep it behind closed doors and sometimes from our clients. It is a thing you do, but don't broadcast to the world.

From my reading and following of the Korean scene, they seem to be far more public about these last minute show downs. I do not know for sure, but it feels that way from an outside observer. I could be wrong, but that is what is seems like.
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Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
August 27 2012 21:59 GMT
#2131
Awesome news to hear
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10021 Posts
August 27 2012 21:59 GMT
#2132
On August 28 2012 06:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 02:11 vesicular wrote:
On August 28 2012 02:05 Plansix wrote:
Protecting your brand is a valid business decision. Making agreements and then backing out of them at the last minute to attempt to get a better deal through hard ball negotiation is very shitty and frowned almost everywhere in the world.


It's also a common business practice almost everywhere in the world. You just don't hear about it as much since most businesses aren't in the entertainment industry and have forums of fans arguing over all of it.

What everyone is seeing is the dirty side to business that happens every day. Nothing really new happening here except for people who aren't used to watching it unfold.


That is true. I work in the legal field and people pull stuff like what Kespa did all the time. Last minute strong arming is the name of the game and something you get used to. The difference is that there are no press releases about it and we keep it behind closed doors and sometimes from our clients. It is a thing you do, but don't broadcast to the world.

From my reading and following of the Korean scene, they seem to be far more public about these last minute show downs. I do not know for sure, but it feels that way from an outside observer. I could be wrong, but that is what is seems like.


That's the issue though isn't it. By going public with this common business practice, they are creating a drama that need not be there. These players have fans, and some of those fans want to see the players play in the GSL. No-one would have really have had such strong views if nothing had been said until negotiations were fully complete.
Whipping up excitement just to threaten to take it all away is a surefire way to alienate fans and piss everyone off. Next time they should all just shut their mouths until everything is final.
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#2133
On August 28 2012 05:28 GunPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 04:05 LighT. wrote:
90 players to the Code A qualifiers huh...
Kespa President:
"Destroy them"


lol. I hope Flash and Jaedong get the two Code S seeds.


Jaedong might, but I'd expect Effort and Roro.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 27 2012 22:10 GMT
#2134
On August 28 2012 06:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 02:11 vesicular wrote:
On August 28 2012 02:05 Plansix wrote:
Protecting your brand is a valid business decision. Making agreements and then backing out of them at the last minute to attempt to get a better deal through hard ball negotiation is very shitty and frowned almost everywhere in the world.


It's also a common business practice almost everywhere in the world. You just don't hear about it as much since most businesses aren't in the entertainment industry and have forums of fans arguing over all of it.

What everyone is seeing is the dirty side to business that happens every day. Nothing really new happening here except for people who aren't used to watching it unfold.


That is true. I work in the legal field and people pull stuff like what Kespa did all the time. Last minute strong arming is the name of the game and something you get used to. The difference is that there are no press releases about it and we keep it behind closed doors and sometimes from our clients. It is a thing you do, but don't broadcast to the world.

From my reading and following of the Korean scene, they seem to be far more public about these last minute show downs. I do not know for sure, but it feels that way from an outside observer. I could be wrong, but that is what is seems like.
About the last part. I think (could be wrong, of course) kespa told gom (and gom alone) they wouldn't be participating. After that, gom probably went to esf (and maybe blizzard? not sure) to talk about it and actions to be taken. After that, gom decided to let it escalate, judging they would benefit from a public scandal. Or in other words, make kespa look like asshole (beyond if they really are). After a unsatisfactory response from kespa, esf used their trump card, after which problem got solved.

Hm, that's a lot of brackets.
Don't know if it's correct, but i could see it happen like this.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 27 2012 22:11 GMT
#2135
On August 28 2012 06:46 Grummler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 06:33 jinorazi wrote:
On August 28 2012 05:54 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 28 2012 05:41 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:15 blade55555 wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 28 2012 04:09 sam05396 wrote:
On August 28 2012 03:56 Tchado wrote:
kespa bending down to the new world order !

or they are just waiting to kill gom in a situation where they have more leverage


Hopefully they succeed. That would be a sweet revenge for their cooperation in killing BW.


ROFL. Kespa killed GOM in broodwar. Why else do you think they ended up switching to sc2? Because kespa boycotted their bw league. Jesus people at least inform yourself about kespa before you decide to like or hate them.


Maybe you should inform yourself instead. Most KeSPA teams participated for several seasons, various teams, at various times decided not to participate, mostly because they had already extremely packed schedules. To the point some teams were forbidding their players from participating in both MSL and OSL at the same time, in order to have time for PL. Despite that, EIGHT teams participated in season 3

GOMTV Classic was created way after SC2 was announced. It had English commentary despite the fact that there was rather small demand for that. It's not hard to figure out that with Classic, gretech wanted to set a foothold before transitioning to SC2 (which would have bigger international scene, hence English casting for Classic). Five teams wanted to participate in season 4. All despite the fact that Classic was far, far more prestigious than MSL, OSL or PL, and was not broadcasted on the TV.

If not participating in season 4 was politically motivated in case of some teams (which I find likely only for SKT, tbh), than gretech has only itself to blame - during season 3 they partnered up with blizzard, which war openly at was with KeSPA.

So let's sum up. Most KeSPA teams participated in Classic for 3 seasons, in a tournament with no TV coverage, poor production quality, no prestige and straining schedule. Half of them wanted to take part in season 4. Gretech teamed up with KeSPA's biggest enemy yet, which might've caused some teams to rethink their participation, and you're blaming KeSPA for that?

If you want to see how KeSPA making a politically motivated decision looks like, then look of IEG vs. OGN/MBC fiasco. All teams except those affiliated with OGN/MBC boycotted the individual leagues. The situation with Classic looks nothing like that.

So, really, stop making shit up.


http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/features/3006


thats an opinionated article and does leave out few points.
but i'm not saying it should be ignored, the esf was genuinely concerned of kespa's actions.
i read a korean blog article that criticized gretech for trying to have a piece of the pie that kespa brought up from scratch. gretech teaming up with blizzard as their big brother to protect them, gretech having "legitimate broadcasting rights". author states it justly failed for trying to steal away kespa's efforts.
just saying, there's many ways to look at things.


So what is gretech stealing from kespa exactly? Talking about pies and stuff is always easy....

Right now kespa kets all the gsl/gstl stars in exchange for their proleage/starleague stars. Initially kespa tried to get the gsl stars - without offering anything in return. And gretech didn't even complain. The gsl stars themself stopped kespa.

For people who like pie:
It's is more like kespa is trying to steal the little sc2 cake gretech created while kespa ate their big bw pie.

For people who dont care:
OSL tomorrow is going to be awesome nonetheless =)

I meant in regards to gomtv classic
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ILIVEFORAIUR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States173 Posts
August 27 2012 22:29 GMT
#2136
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.

Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP.
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dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 22:33:58
August 27 2012 22:33 GMT
#2137
On August 28 2012 07:29 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.

Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP.

Guys like Effort and Roro are better right now at SC2 though, so it's best to give the seeds to the ones that have proven themselves to be good in SC2.

Flash and Jaedong would be more of a ratings grab. Which, honestly, me and a lot of people would not mind. **** competitive play, I want fanservice.
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 27 2012 22:39 GMT
#2138
On August 28 2012 07:33 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 07:29 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.

Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP.

Guys like Effort and Roro are better right now at SC2 though, so it's best to give the seeds to the ones that have proven themselves to be good in SC2.

Flash and Jaedong would be more of a ratings grab. Which, honestly, me and a lot of people would not mind. **** competitive play, I want fanservice.


On the other hand, Flash is not good enough to play in Code S right now, and I think it would hurt the brand if he got a seed and then got beat like the proverbial redheaded stepchild. I'd say the smart move from a PR perspective would be to keep him out of the system entirely - if he wants to try qualifiers, awesome, but don't seed him. It's not like he's going to stop being popular overnight, and he can be offered a seed next season when hopefully he'll be more up to speed. Meanwhile, Jaedong is good enough to hold his own right now. Give him and EffOrt the Code S seeds and put Roro and By.Sun in the Up and Downs. That gives you two big names in Code S and possibly the two best Kespa players with a chance to get in.
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WHAT ABOUT STEPHANO AND CODE S?
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#2140
On August 28 2012 07:39 winthrop wrote:
WHAT ABOUT STEPHANO AND CODE S?


not sure if serious.... but stephano has already said he might play in season 5.
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