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On August 28 2012 09:50 sp00kZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 07:50 TommyP wrote:On August 28 2012 07:33 dabom88 wrote:On August 28 2012 07:29 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.
Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP. Guys like Effort and Roro are better right now at SC2 though, so it's best to give the seeds to the ones that have proven themselves to be good in SC2. Flash and Jaedong would be more of a ratings grab. Which, honestly, me and a lot of people would not mind. **** competitive play, I want fanservice. Gom gives foreigners who win a tournament a Code S seed, but when a Code A/B Korean wins one, they dont get a seed. Why do they do this? For the views. Id put money on it being fan favorites, unless Kespa is picking the players. Well, think about the travelcosts for the players, just to play the qualifier.IMO it's the right way to handle it. So it's not the only reason to get more viewers from EU/US etc.
Yeah, foreigner seeds are good IMO. It helps add more variety to eSports (at least in SC) because right now it's Koreans winning everything. I'm fine with watching Koreans play SC but if there were more diversity, it could add more viewers and might help eSports (and everyone involved in eSports) as a whole. So while it is unfair (which I agree with), especially for players wanting to get into Code A and Code S , in the long term , it might help eSports grow and it might help everyone have more opportunities to make (and keep) eSports as their career of choice.
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Glad ESF > Kespa.
The more I dug into the details I less I liked Kespa.
Players shouldn't be seperated, but rather forced together for the good of all.
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ESF showed Kespa who daddy was
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On August 28 2012 10:18 SayGen wrote:
Glad ESF > Kespa.
The more I dug into the details I less I liked Kespa.
Players shouldn't be seperated, but rather forced together for the good of all.
just wait till next time where kespa may actually have an advantage when going in to this type of thing, this surely isnt the last bull shit to be pulled
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On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation.
u realise gom is helping themselves by seeding kespa players right?
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On August 28 2012 10:59 sam05396 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. u realise gom is helping themselves by seeding kespa players right?
What he said. If GOM doesn't give KESPa players any seeds then most likely very few if any KESPA players will qualify for code A, and none will be in code S for S4 since you can't get straight into it without a seed. Giving some seeds ensures that there will be some KESPA players in GSL and that will attract viewers. If KESPA players all go to code A qualifiers and only a couple or none make it in, that won't help GOMs viewer counts since the KESPA fans won't watch it.
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On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation.
GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments.
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Yes, because none of the GSLs to this point have been legitimate. MAKES SENSE
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On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments.
you know what makes it legit?
money.
GSL's been making money for 2 years without KeSPA.
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thanks for summing up all the info
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On August 28 2012 11:41 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Yes, because none of the GSLs to this point have been legitimate. MAKES SENSE
You can't be the best in the world until you compete against the best in the world. Everything until now has been minor league stuff.
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On August 28 2012 11:55 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments. you know what makes it legit? money. GSL's been making money for 2 years without KeSPA.
Despite being named GOMTV, they'll never make it to TV without Kespa players.
And that's all there is to it.
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On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments.
I'm just as excited as the next guy to see Kespa players compete, but statements like this so early are completely outrageous.
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On August 28 2012 11:59 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 11:55 neoghaleon55 wrote:On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments. you know what makes it legit? money. GSL's been making money for 2 years without KeSPA. Despite being named GOMTV, they'll never make it to TV without Kespa players. And that's all there is to it.
you realize that traditional television viewership has declined in the last 5 years right?
Internet is the future
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/nielsen-reports-a-decline-in-television-viewing/
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On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments.
Other way around.
KeSPA players haven't proven themselves in SC2 yet (I'm not counting WCS for various reasons), GSL is the most prestigious SC2 league to be in, regardless of BW success.
For example: if KeSPA had not backed down they would be running OSL with ONLY BW pros that have transitioned, and many of them still are mediocre at best in SC2, whereas the GSL could have 0 of the KeSPA players in it and would still be by far the most prestigious SC2 tournament.
KeSPA has no foothold on the SC2 scene at all at the moment, and that is a good thing; KeSPA has far too much money and power, and if they are allowed to, they'll do exactly what they did with BW.
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On August 28 2012 11:59 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 11:55 neoghaleon55 wrote:On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments. you know what makes it legit? money. GSL's been making money for 2 years without KeSPA. Despite being named GOMTV, they'll never make it to TV without Kespa players. And that's all there is to it.
Whoop-dee-shit. TV isn't the be-all end-all of esports.
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On August 28 2012 11:58 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 11:41 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Yes, because none of the GSLs to this point have been legitimate. MAKES SENSE You can't be the best in the world until you compete against the best in the world. Everything until now has been minor league stuff.
The SC1 pros weren't anywhere near the best in the world for 2 years. They didn't practice SC2 at all. So the people who won before they switched were the best in the world.
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If the GSL is so prestigious, then so many of these GSL players (who I like) wouldn't be mentally crumbling in the booth when they play a Masters-level Jaedong. Kespa has legitimacy because it has the best RTS minds and bodies on the planet.
As much as people hate Kespa, Kespa is the reason the SC scene is alive today, and the reason most of us love esports.
On August 28 2012 12:02 Luepert wrote:
The SC1 pros weren't anywhere near the best in the world for 2 years. They didn't practice SC2 at all. So the people who won before they switched were the best in the world.
Actually, TLBS and their peers in Kespa have been the best RTS players at the hardest strategy game for a pretty long time, about 5 years. They didn't just catch fire and fade away quickly. They've had pretty consistent amazing careers.
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There was eSports before Brood War, and there will be eSports after Kespa goes away.
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On August 28 2012 12:01 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 11:59 Condor Hero wrote:On August 28 2012 11:55 neoghaleon55 wrote:On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments. you know what makes it legit? money. GSL's been making money for 2 years without KeSPA. Despite being named GOMTV, they'll never make it to TV without Kespa players. And that's all there is to it. you realize that traditional television viewership has declined in the last 5 years right? Internet is the future http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/nielsen-reports-a-decline-in-television-viewing/
Getting on TV represents some level of acceptance on a wide level amongst the general population.
Having a full time channel is somewhere near infinity times harder than broadcasting online.
You know how I know this?
Because there's only one full time esports channel and anyone can broadcast SC2 on stream from their bedroom.
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