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[Resolved] Kespa, GOM, ESF dispute

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6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
August 25 2012 09:15 GMT
#1
May I suggest a centralized organized thread for this since they are practically details of one big issue. Updates will be added here as the story develops.
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1. August 25, 2012, 19:08 KST: Add translation by Nostalgia.NA of article in #4
2. August 26, 2012, 00:45 KST: Add GosuGamer article and other Related Links
3. August 26, 2012, 00:45 KST: Add Kespa reason for withdrawing in Related Links
4. August 27, 2012, 16:55 KST: Add Kespa joins GSL 4; ESF players are back in the OSL
5. August 27, 2012, 18:40 KST: Add GOM announcement


VERY GOOD NEWS!
Last Update: [August 27, 2012, 16:55 KST]

5. Kespa joins GSL 4; ESF players are back in the OSL [August 27, 2012, 16:55 KST]
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1275322&category=13438
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/blog/2188781

http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1275322&category=13438
Kespa has decided that it's players will join in the GSL 4 qualifiers. The GSL qualifiers have been moved to Sept. 12.

http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/blog/2188781
Good news! Kespa will join the upcoming GSL 4 in an intense competition, and ESF are participating in the Auction All-kill OSL. Blizzard, GOM, ESF, and Kespa, are working together to give fans the best content possible!

http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=224111&cid=0&kind=8
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Dear GOMTV.net users,

This is Mr. Chae.

Many things have happened over the last week and I believe many overseas fans have been following the news regarding the current situation in Korean e-Sports. We have been looking over the comments on various community sites regarding this incident and were very moved by the many fans who left encouraging messages for GOMTV on Twitter and community boards. We promise to repay your kindness with great content.

GSL Season 4 will begin today with the Up&Down matches. We hope all of you are looking forward to a series of exciting matches that will determine who will participate in this season’s Code S tournament.

In contrast to the unfortunate news we had to announce last week, we are happy that today we will be able to greet you with some good news.

The Korean e-Sports association (KeSPA) has decided to participate in the GSL Season 4 Code A qualifiers and we have already received the list of participants.

Because of this, there will be an adjustment to the schedule for the GSL Season 4 Code A qualifiers:
- Old date: September 5th/6th -> New date: September 12th/13th
- Location: Intel e-Sports Stadium, Shindorim

Additionally, we are currently in discussion regarding Code A and Code S seeds for KeSPA players. GOMTV is planning to provide 2 Code S seeds as well as 4 Code A seeds for players of the Korean e-Sports association. We will update you with the list of seeded players as soon as they are confirmed.

We have some additional news regarding the Up&Down matches. Because of a severe typhoon warning, the return of the Korean players who were attending MLG will be delayed. It is possible that we will have to adjust the schedule for the Up&Down matches on short notice, due to some players not being able to attend because of this natural disaster. We are currently in contact with the players in the US and will revise the schedule accordingly, if needed.

Many things have happened over the last week. We would like to once again thank all e-Sports fans for their tremendous support and words of encouragement for GOMTV.

This is the beginning. We will strive to provide all of you with the best content possible. See you at the GSL.

Thank you.

GSL 4 qualifiers:
Date: September 12-13 (changed from September 5-6)
Location: Intel e-Sports Stadium, Shindorim
2 Code S seeds, 4 Code A seeds for Kespa
Up&Down matches will be delayed due to severe typhoon warning in the US where Korean players attended MLG




SUMMARY OF EVENTS
  1. 1. GOM announces that Kespa is not participating in the upcoming GSL 4 [August 23, 2012]
    http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=224034&cid=0&kind=8
  2. ESF (not GOM) decides to pull out of OSL [August 24, 2012]
    http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735
  3. Kespa agrees to participate in GSL 5 (the one after the coming season, GSL 4) [August 24, 2012]
    http://esfiworld.com/news/after-esfs-threat-boycotting-osl-kespa-decided-participate-gsl-season-5
  4. ESF still refuses to join OSL [August 25, 2012]
    http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1274329
  5. Kespa joins GSL 4; ESF players are back in the OSL [August 27, 2012, 16:55 KST]
    http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1275322&category=13438
    http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/blog/2188781
    http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=224111&cid=0&kind=8



RELATED LINKS
  1. Gosugamers: KeSPA, GOM Classic, and the Future [August 26, 2012]
    http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/features/3006
  2. FXOBOSS: Sharpen the pitchforks, light the torches. KESPA IS HERE [August 25, 2012]
    http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/30093362883/sharpen-the-pitchforks-light-the-torches-kespa-is
  3. KeSPA planning a "Giant Project" [August 24, 2012]
    http://esports.gamechosun.co.kr/
  4. KeSPA explains the reason not joining GSL Season 4 [August 24, 2012]
    http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/55467-KeSPA_explains_the_reason_not_joining_GSL_Season_4



FULL CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS
  1. GOM announces that Kespa is not participating in upcoming GSL 4 [August 23, 2012]
    http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=224034&cid=0&kind=8

    For our previous GSL Season 3 Code A qualifiers, we had inquired to KeSPA if their players would be allowed to participate and at the time, as scheduling was very difficult, KeSPA was not able to accommodate us. We also felt that many teams and players were still unprepared and concluded that we would request participation for the upcoming GSL Season 4.

    Today, we have received an official response from KeSPA, stating that their players will, once again, not participate in the GSL Season 4 Code A qualifiers.

    We are deeply sorry to all fans who have looked forward to seeing the Korean eSports scene work together in harmony.
    Also, GOMTV would like to express their regret towards KeSPA’s reluctance to participate.

  2. ESF (not GOM) decides to pull out of OSL [August 24, 2012]
    http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735

    TL summary:
    Basically ESF is pulling their players out of the Auction All-Kill OS2L following KeSPA's refusal to let their players partake in GSL4 qualifiers. This is kind of a big deal, because it means OGN is going to be screaming at KeSPA to clear up this shit - they've got a league starting on tuesday that is gonna be down 8 star players in their Ro16 if this isn't resolved quickly.
    First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

    Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us. We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions. GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

    Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward. Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation. GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

    One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG. E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

    We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision: For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

    It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation. Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

    Thanks
    E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
    E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

  3. Kespa agrees to participate in GSL 5 (the one after the coming season, GSL 4) [August 24, 2012]
    http://esfiworld.com/news/after-esfs-threat-boycotting-osl-kespa-decided-participate-gsl-season-5

    On Aug. 24, KeSPA released a statement that they will participate the next GSL after GSL Season 4. In order to prevent another fallout of leagues as eSports Federation made a statement to boycott OSL, all teams in KeSPA decided to participate the next GSL tournament that will happen after GSL Season 4.

  4. ESF still refuses to join OSL [August 25, 2012]
    http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1274329

    Translation by Nostalgia.NA

    The eSports Federation has stated that their stance to defer participating in the OSL has not changed.

    On the 25th, President Won Jong-Wook visited the Mok-Dong GomTV Studio, where the WCS South Korea Nationals were held, and stated, "There is no change in our stance that we have announced in our public statement deferring our participation in the OnGameNet Star League".

    The Korean eSports Players Association(henceforth KeSPA) told GomTV on the 23rd that they will not be participating in the GSL. Then on the 24th, they announced through the media that given the already confirmed tournament schedules including the Pro League Post Season, it would be hard to participate in the GSL.

    On the 24th, the eSports Federation expressed their disappointment in KeSPA's decision to not participate in the GSL and released a public statement saying that they will defer participating in the OnGameNet Star League until GSL participation is confirmed.

    5 hours later, KeSPA announced that they have decided to join starting from GSL5.
    [Note: This part of the article said they said they will join GSL 'starting from' GSL5, but the KeSPA article it links to simply says that KeSPA has decided to participate in the GSL tournament(singular) after GSL4, then explains that they will participate in GSL5(again, nothing on the GSLs after that)]

    On the matter of KeSPA's change in their stance, President Won Jong-Wook stated, "We thank them for their speedy discussion and decision to participate in GSL5. But the eSports Federation's stance stated on our public statement has not changed. We have stated that we will be deferring participation in the OnGameNet Star League until KeSPA decides to participate in the GSL in a continuous manner, and because there is no change in content in KeSPA's follow-up announcement from their previous accouncement, there is no change in the eSports Federation's stance."

    President Won Jong-Wook also revealed his opinion on some concerns raised by some about the deferring of participation in the OnGameNet Star League causing the league to be crippled. President Won Jong-Wook stated, "I have given enough thoughts on the matter before we announced our public statement. That is why the decision was made after sufficient discussions with the coaches of the teams in the eSports Federations as well as the players. KeSPA not participating in GSL4 is the source of the problem, so solving that comes first."

    To do this, eSports Federation has officially requested to GomTV to adjust the schedule related to GSL4 qualifiers. President Won Jong-Wook stated, "Today(25th) we have requested that GomTV extends the GSL4 qualifiers application deadline so that the KeSPA players would be able to participate in GSL4." The GSL4 qualfiers application started on the 24th and the reception of the applications are scheduled to stop on Monday(27th).

    Lastly, President Won Jong-Wook stated, "eSports Federation still holds deep in its heart the meaning of the 'Public Proclamation on Starcraft 2 eSports vision' that was held in May. We hope to quickly solve this problem to live alongside KeSPA, develop through well-intended competition with KeSPA, and repay the fans with even better games."
    TL summary:
    This is a response by the eSports Federation(hereafter ESF) to KeSPA's recent decision to join GSL5.

    To put it short:
    1. ESF is saying they thank and welcome KeSPA's quick response and their deicision to join GSL5.
    2. But their decision on not playing their players in the OSL until KeSPA decides to join the GSL still stands.
    3. The reason is that KeSPA has still not changed their stance on allowing their players in the GSL in a continuous fashion. (KeSPA is saying they'll join GSL5, nothing on GSLs afterwards nor the imminent GSL4).
    4. ESF has made a request to Gomtv to extend the deadline for GSL4 qualifiers applications, which was set to end on the 27th of August.

  5. Kespa joins GSL 4; ESF players are back in the OSL [August 27, 2012, 16:55 KST]
    http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1275322&category=13438
    http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/blog/2188781

    http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1275322&category=13438
    Kespa has decided that it's players will join in the GSL 4 qualifiers. The GSL qualifiers have been moved to Sept. 12.
    http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/blog/2188781
    Good news! Kespa will join the upcoming GSL 4 in an intense competition, and ESF are participating in the Auction All-kill OSL. Blizzard, GOM, ESF, and Kespa, are working together to give fans the best content possible!

    http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=224111&cid=0&kind=8
    + Show Spoiler +
    Dear GOMTV.net users,

    This is Mr. Chae.

    Many things have happened over the last week and I believe many overseas fans have been following the news regarding the current situation in Korean e-Sports. We have been looking over the comments on various community sites regarding this incident and were very moved by the many fans who left encouraging messages for GOMTV on Twitter and community boards. We promise to repay your kindness with great content.

    GSL Season 4 will begin today with the Up&Down matches. We hope all of you are looking forward to a series of exciting matches that will determine who will participate in this season’s Code S tournament.

    In contrast to the unfortunate news we had to announce last week, we are happy that today we will be able to greet you with some good news.

    The Korean e-Sports association (KeSPA) has decided to participate in the GSL Season 4 Code A qualifiers and we have already received the list of participants.

    Because of this, there will be an adjustment to the schedule for the GSL Season 4 Code A qualifiers:
    - Old date: September 5th/6th -> New date: September 12th/13th
    - Location: Intel e-Sports Stadium, Shindorim

    Additionally, we are currently in discussion regarding Code A and Code S seeds for KeSPA players. GOMTV is planning to provide 2 Code S seeds as well as 4 Code A seeds for players of the Korean e-Sports association. We will update you with the list of seeded players as soon as they are confirmed.

    We have some additional news regarding the Up&Down matches. Because of a severe typhoon warning, the return of the Korean players who were attending MLG will be delayed. It is possible that we will have to adjust the schedule for the Up&Down matches on short notice, due to some players not being able to attend because of this natural disaster. We are currently in contact with the players in the US and will revise the schedule accordingly, if needed.

    Many things have happened over the last week. We would like to once again thank all e-Sports fans for their tremendous support and words of encouragement for GOMTV.

    This is the beginning. We will strive to provide all of you with the best content possible. See you at the GSL.

    Thank you.
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brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
August 25 2012 09:20 GMT
#2
thanks, didn't know about 4th part.
I hate all this singing
GT350
Profile Joined May 2012
United States270 Posts
August 25 2012 09:23 GMT
#3
Thanks for the initiative. gom and esf showing kespa who's boss. Will bookmark this and follow the events.
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
August 25 2012 09:25 GMT
#4
As expected, ESF is not gonna back down out of this1.
And they shouldn't, KeSPA wants to be the main organization again and ESF is letting them know this is not gonna happen.
Until strong arrangements are made they shouldn't back down.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
August 25 2012 09:26 GMT
#5
Something's a brewing in Korea. Who will blink first?
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4370 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 09:28:29
August 25 2012 09:27 GMT
#6
Having a new topic for new parts of the subject helps, I would never re-open the first thread after reading it because I assumed it was getting bumped with people still discussing. Because of that the fact that someone made a new thread with the fourth point allowed me to see something new instead of coming back to the same thread with the possibility to be exactly the same and just some pointless ranting or discussion bumping it.

Although having all the information in one place is good yes.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 09:32:29
August 25 2012 09:27 GMT
#7
On August 25 2012 18:20 brachester wrote:
thanks, didn't know about 4th part.


It is new, just came out a bit ago.
I was hoping for a good consolidated thread on this. I have directed people on my OP to come here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=362650
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 25 2012 09:28 GMT
#8
On August 25 2012 18:25 Jakkerr wrote:
As expected, ESF is not gonna back down out of this1.
And they shouldn't, KeSPA wants to be the main organization again and ESF is letting them know this is not gonna happen.
Until strong arrangements are made they shouldn't back down.


Ya will I can only imagine how angry it makes kespa. Considering they are used to players having to do what kespa says no matter what they are probably like "wtf defiance from players!?" :D.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Rictusz
Profile Joined September 2011
Latvia31 Posts
August 25 2012 09:30 GMT
#9
Good call. KeSPA would have probably came up with something else by season 5 if everything went the path they wanted to again.
;o
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 25 2012 09:30 GMT
#10
Good thread idea. Makes it easier to follow the events, without reading through a thousand pages of 10different threads to extract one piece of information.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
August 25 2012 09:31 GMT
#11
On August 25 2012 18:27 KobraKay wrote:
Having a new topic for new parts of the subject helps, I would never re-open the first thread after reading it because I assumed it was getting bumped with people still discussing. Because of that the fact that someone made a new thread with the fourth point allowed me to see something new instead of coming back to the same thread with the possibility to be exactly the same and just some pointless ranting or discussion bumping it.

Although having all the information in one place is good yes.

I prefer one thread, it helps put things in context.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
August 25 2012 09:32 GMT
#12
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports."
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 09:33:56
August 25 2012 09:33 GMT
#13
-- oops
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 25 2012 09:34 GMT
#14
i like this thread better as a general
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
August 25 2012 09:34 GMT
#15
Good stuff, may I suggest putting down the date of each event?
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
August 25 2012 09:36 GMT
#16
On August 25 2012 18:34 Incomplet wrote:
Good stuff, may I suggest putting down the date of each event?

Ok. Would you guys prefer oldest to most recent, or the other way around?
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
August 25 2012 09:37 GMT
#17
On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports."

Why did MC drop out of osl then too? he's not part of the ESF.
Maruprime.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 09:40:55
August 25 2012 09:37 GMT
#18
On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports."


I think that their goal is to carry Korean E-Sports a step forward globally, and they feel that GOM and all of the foreign tourneys have done this and that KeSPA will not do this. KeSPA has made a lot of claims about wanting to open up, but everyone, even the players, are skeptical of that, with good reason to be. They are fighting not just for GOM, but for the KeSPA players, the foreign players, and the fans globally I think. Most of the fans support GOM and what they have done for the community, that includes the SC2 pro players it appears.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Sylfyre
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia222 Posts
August 25 2012 09:37 GMT
#19
I would love a central thread rather than 4,5,6 lying around. Good luck keeping it all updated, and props for taking on the job
ssj_ds
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Australia12 Posts
August 25 2012 09:37 GMT
#20
I'm beginning to hope Kespa screws ESF over and decides they can't play in the OSL going forward (I don't think that's unreasonable considering they all decided to pull out mid tournament). Kespa then allows B-team players to compete in GSL. B teamers proceed to win GSL (eventually) and no one watches because the real action is in the OSL.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me
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