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On August 25 2012 18:49 TheAmazombie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 25 2012 18:37 TheAmazombie wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." I think that their goal is to carry Korean E-Sports a step forward globally, and they feel that GOM and all of the foreign tourneys have done this. KeSPA has made a lot of claims about wanting to open up, but everyone, even the players, are skeptical of that, with good reason to be. They are fighting not just for GOM, but for the KeSPA players, the foreign players, and the fans globally I think. Most of the fans support GOM and what they have done for the community, that includes the SC2 pro players it appears. This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players. I just refuse to think that is such a horrible thing at this time. I think that if KeSPA failed, people, sponsors, and fans would not just "forget" and give up on this industry. Yes, there might be a loss, but there is still a huge fan base for people like Flash and JD. If the infrastructure fails, those guys will get picked up by another team somewhere, I am sure, and they will keep playing. As long as their are fans, there will be money. I understand your point of view, but I don't think that it is the end of the world nor do I think it would hurt Korean eSports as badly if KeSPA completely fucks this up.
Kespa is the sponsors and in many ways they are Korean esports. What's going to happen to the players if kespa fails? Even if they get picked up by other teams they won't be getting paid nearly as much. Plus television airtime isn't something you can just find anywhere. People need to stop thinking of this as "our guy" GOM vs the boogeyman kespa and actually consider what each group is actually capable of.
On August 25 2012 18:51 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." even MC who isnt part of them follow the ESF direction ... you have a pointless stand and your pretty much the 1% on kespa side, kespa tryed EVERYTHING to DESTROY gom in sc1, they make it so hard in the end that gom had to STOP make their tournaments because kespa boykott everything and now they make the same in sc2 and its NOT possible to allow that a real fan not allow gom to die ... anyone who supports THAT kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of esport ... you are a fan of dictatorship of 1 organisation who NOT is known for support foreign things so you will have no good english cast etc etc ... jaeh your pointless!
Kespa tried to destroy GOM? GOM is and always has been Blizzard's lapdog. Guess who tried and succeeded at destroyed kespa's flagship game? Look past the spin and see what's really going on here.
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OP needs to add OGN in the title.
I mean they DO have a member in the KeSPA board of directors. :/
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so if gom extends the qualifiers for gsl 4, kespa is down. only going by what has been said officially, kespa can join gsl 4 if scheduling can be altered (once more?) since their original excuse was scheduling conflict.
i'm not sure why kespa is complicating things by trying to speak for everyone...just let the team decide who can compete based on their availability and willingness/readiness.
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On August 25 2012 18:54 viasacra89 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 25 2012 18:37 TheAmazombie wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." I think that their goal is to carry Korean E-Sports a step forward globally, and they feel that GOM and all of the foreign tourneys have done this. KeSPA has made a lot of claims about wanting to open up, but everyone, even the players, are skeptical of that, with good reason to be. They are fighting not just for GOM, but for the KeSPA players, the foreign players, and the fans globally I think. Most of the fans support GOM and what they have done for the community, that includes the SC2 pro players it appears. This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players. On August 25 2012 18:40 Otak wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." Are you kidding? GomTv has been showing Starcraft 2 since 2010 and has done a very good job doing so. Kespa has recently started sc2 and now wants the monopoly on having ALL the big name players in one tournament. If you're too blinded to see that Kespa is just deliberately trying to shut GomTv out so that they become irrelevant again then I don't know what to say to you. And to be quite honest, I think in everyones mind, GSL is the premier sc2 tournament at the moment, not the Kespa league. And so what if GOM does end up becoming irrelevant? Did you ever stop to consider that SC2 might be better off under kespa? They bring far more to the table in terms of resources and potential for growth. This is nothing more then petty factionalism. Sure, that is possible, but please explain how Kespa would bring more resources and growth? There are a limited number of teams. Each team can have only so many sponsors before it becomes too saturated. The fan base will not grow at a rate similar to GOM due to Kespa's "refusal" to appeal to foreigners, and even if they did wish to, to Kespa, Korea will always come first. There are not many people who defend the progamer license, and even the defences are weak at best.
Who says the number of teams is limited? There used to be 12 teams just a few years ago. And how do you know that they don't care about us? If they didn't care they wouldn't have hired moletrap and doa and they wouldn't have free vods on youtube.
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On August 25 2012 19:04 BrosephBrostar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:54 viasacra89 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 25 2012 18:37 TheAmazombie wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." I think that their goal is to carry Korean E-Sports a step forward globally, and they feel that GOM and all of the foreign tourneys have done this. KeSPA has made a lot of claims about wanting to open up, but everyone, even the players, are skeptical of that, with good reason to be. They are fighting not just for GOM, but for the KeSPA players, the foreign players, and the fans globally I think. Most of the fans support GOM and what they have done for the community, that includes the SC2 pro players it appears. This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players. On August 25 2012 18:40 Otak wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." Are you kidding? GomTv has been showing Starcraft 2 since 2010 and has done a very good job doing so. Kespa has recently started sc2 and now wants the monopoly on having ALL the big name players in one tournament. If you're too blinded to see that Kespa is just deliberately trying to shut GomTv out so that they become irrelevant again then I don't know what to say to you. And to be quite honest, I think in everyones mind, GSL is the premier sc2 tournament at the moment, not the Kespa league. And so what if GOM does end up becoming irrelevant? Did you ever stop to consider that SC2 might be better off under kespa? They bring far more to the table in terms of resources and potential for growth. This is nothing more then petty factionalism. Sure, that is possible, but please explain how Kespa would bring more resources and growth? There are a limited number of teams. Each team can have only so many sponsors before it becomes too saturated. The fan base will not grow at a rate similar to GOM due to Kespa's "refusal" to appeal to foreigners, and even if they did wish to, to Kespa, Korea will always come first. There are not many people who defend the progamer license, and even the defences are weak at best. Who says the number of teams is limited? There used to be 12 teams just a few years ago. And how do you know that they don't care about us? If they didn't care they wouldn't have hired moletrap and doa and they wouldn't have free vods on youtube.
oh they definitely care a lot less about us than they could
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Here's a roughly translated version of the article for 4. ESF still refuses to join OSL [August 25, 2012 ]
I kinda rushed it and I'm no pro at English <=> Korean translating so sorry if it sounds off and weird and stuff:
+ Show Spoiler +The eSports Federation has stated that their stance to defer participating in the OSL has not changed. On the 25th, President Won Jong-Wook visited the Mok-Dong GomTV Studio, where the WCS South Korea Nationals were held, and stated, "There is no change in our stance that we have announced in our public statement deferring our participation in the OnGameNet Star League". The Korean eSports Players Association(henceforth KeSPA) told GomTV on the 23rd that they will not be participating in the GSL. Then on the 24th, they announced through the media that given the already confirmed tournament schedules including the Pro League Post Season, it would be hard to participate in the GSL. On the 24th, the eSports Federation expressed their disappointment in KeSPA's decision to not participate in the GSL and released a public statement saying that they will defer participating in the OnGameNet Star League until GSL participation is confirmed. 5 hours later, KeSPA announced that they have decided to join starting from GSL5. [Note: This part of the article said they said they will join GSL 'starting from' GSL5, but the KeSPA article it links to simply says that KeSPA has decided to participate in the GSL tournament(singular) after GSL4, then explains that they will participate in GSL5(again, nothing on the GSLs after that)] On the matter of KeSPA's change in their stance, President Won Jong-Wook stated, "We thank them for their speedy discussion and decision to participate in GSL5. But the eSports Federation's stance stated on our public statement has not changed. We have stated that we will be deferring participation in the OnGameNet Star League until KeSPA decides to participate in the GSL in a continuous manner, and because there is no change in content in KeSPA's follow-up announcement from their previous accouncement, there is no change in the eSports Federation's stance." President Won Jong-Wook also revealed his opinion on some concerns raised by some about the deferring of participation in the OnGameNet Star League causing the league to be crippled. President Won Jong-Wook stated, "I have given enough thoughts on the matter before we announced our public statement. That is why the decision was made after sufficient discussions with the coaches of the teams in the eSports Federations as well as the players. KeSPA not participating in GSL4 is the source of the problem, so solving that comes first." To do this, eSports Federation has officially requested to GomTV to adjust the schedule related to GSL4 qualifiers. President Won Jong-Wook stated, "Today(25th) we have requested that GomTV extends the GSL4 qualifiers application deadline so that the KeSPA players would be able to participate in GSL4." The GSL4 qualfiers application started on the 24th and the reception of the applications are scheduled to stop on Monday(27th). Lastly, President Won Jong-Wook stated, "eSports Federation still holds deep in its heart the meaning of the 'Public Proclamation on Starcraft 2 eSports vision' that was held in May. We hope to quickly solve this problem to live alongside KeSPA, develop through well-intended competition with KeSPA, and repay the fans with even better games." Source: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1274329
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On August 25 2012 18:57 BrosephBrostar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:49 TheAmazombie wrote:On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 25 2012 18:37 TheAmazombie wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." I think that their goal is to carry Korean E-Sports a step forward globally, and they feel that GOM and all of the foreign tourneys have done this. KeSPA has made a lot of claims about wanting to open up, but everyone, even the players, are skeptical of that, with good reason to be. They are fighting not just for GOM, but for the KeSPA players, the foreign players, and the fans globally I think. Most of the fans support GOM and what they have done for the community, that includes the SC2 pro players it appears. This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players. I just refuse to think that is such a horrible thing at this time. I think that if KeSPA failed, people, sponsors, and fans would not just "forget" and give up on this industry. Yes, there might be a loss, but there is still a huge fan base for people like Flash and JD. If the infrastructure fails, those guys will get picked up by another team somewhere, I am sure, and they will keep playing. As long as their are fans, there will be money. I understand your point of view, but I don't think that it is the end of the world nor do I think it would hurt Korean eSports as badly if KeSPA completely fucks this up. Kespa is the sponsors and in many ways they are Korean esports. What's going to happen to the players if kespa fails? Even if they get picked up by other teams they won't be getting paid nearly as much. Plus television airtime isn't something you can just find anywhere. People need to stop thinking of this as "our guy" GOM vs the boogeyman kespa and actually consider what each group is actually capable of. Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:51 CoR wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." even MC who isnt part of them follow the ESF direction ... you have a pointless stand and your pretty much the 1% on kespa side, kespa tryed EVERYTHING to DESTROY gom in sc1, they make it so hard in the end that gom had to STOP make their tournaments because kespa boykott everything and now they make the same in sc2 and its NOT possible to allow that a real fan not allow gom to die ... anyone who supports THAT kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of esport ... you are a fan of dictatorship of 1 organisation who NOT is known for support foreign things so you will have no good english cast etc etc ... jaeh your pointless! Kespa tried to destroy GOM? GOM is and always has been Blizzard's lapdog. Guess who tried and succeeded at destroyed kespa's flagship game? Look past the spin and see what's really going on here.
1. Good job proving your point with a question?
2. Maybe, maybe not, but what's the problem? Blizzard created the game, its not some jackass that tried to take control from the creator of the game. It's because of Kespa that SC2 is forced online play.
3. It destroyed BW? Kespa had the chance to go to SC2 first, it was Blizzards first choice but was rejected. Of course BW died, its a ten year old game. GOM took the risk, while Kespa decided to milk BW of all it had.
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BrosephBrostar is either delusional or a troll, probably best just to ignore him...
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On August 25 2012 19:04 BrosephBrostar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:54 viasacra89 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 25 2012 18:37 TheAmazombie wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." I think that their goal is to carry Korean E-Sports a step forward globally, and they feel that GOM and all of the foreign tourneys have done this. KeSPA has made a lot of claims about wanting to open up, but everyone, even the players, are skeptical of that, with good reason to be. They are fighting not just for GOM, but for the KeSPA players, the foreign players, and the fans globally I think. Most of the fans support GOM and what they have done for the community, that includes the SC2 pro players it appears. This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players. On August 25 2012 18:40 Otak wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." Are you kidding? GomTv has been showing Starcraft 2 since 2010 and has done a very good job doing so. Kespa has recently started sc2 and now wants the monopoly on having ALL the big name players in one tournament. If you're too blinded to see that Kespa is just deliberately trying to shut GomTv out so that they become irrelevant again then I don't know what to say to you. And to be quite honest, I think in everyones mind, GSL is the premier sc2 tournament at the moment, not the Kespa league. And so what if GOM does end up becoming irrelevant? Did you ever stop to consider that SC2 might be better off under kespa? They bring far more to the table in terms of resources and potential for growth. This is nothing more then petty factionalism. Sure, that is possible, but please explain how Kespa would bring more resources and growth? There are a limited number of teams. Each team can have only so many sponsors before it becomes too saturated. The fan base will not grow at a rate similar to GOM due to Kespa's "refusal" to appeal to foreigners, and even if they did wish to, to Kespa, Korea will always come first. There are not many people who defend the progamer license, and even the defences are weak at best. Who says the number of teams is limited? There used to be 12 teams just a few years ago. And how do you know that they don't care about us? If they didn't care they wouldn't have hired moletrap and doa and they wouldn't have free vods on youtube.
Yea, those teams failed/ran out of sponsors. They couldn't support 12 teams, how are they supposed to take care of all of Korea? They hired moletrap and doa because without english casters they wouldn't be able to survive in SC2.
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BrosephBrostar is either delusional or a troll, probably best just to ignore him...
im beginning to think he is one of kespa employees lol
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On August 25 2012 19:06 Zhalad wrote:
BrosephBrostar is either delusional or a troll, probably best just to ignore him...
I don't think this is fair. I am arguing and disagreeing, but he has a point. In his point of view he thinks that GOM giving in to KeSPA will be better in the long-run for eSports, where as most of us disagree with that outlook due to KeSPA's past.
On August 25 2012 19:08 viasacra89 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 19:04 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 25 2012 18:54 viasacra89 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 25 2012 18:37 TheAmazombie wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." I think that their goal is to carry Korean E-Sports a step forward globally, and they feel that GOM and all of the foreign tourneys have done this. KeSPA has made a lot of claims about wanting to open up, but everyone, even the players, are skeptical of that, with good reason to be. They are fighting not just for GOM, but for the KeSPA players, the foreign players, and the fans globally I think. Most of the fans support GOM and what they have done for the community, that includes the SC2 pro players it appears. This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players. On August 25 2012 18:40 Otak wrote:On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." Are you kidding? GomTv has been showing Starcraft 2 since 2010 and has done a very good job doing so. Kespa has recently started sc2 and now wants the monopoly on having ALL the big name players in one tournament. If you're too blinded to see that Kespa is just deliberately trying to shut GomTv out so that they become irrelevant again then I don't know what to say to you. And to be quite honest, I think in everyones mind, GSL is the premier sc2 tournament at the moment, not the Kespa league. And so what if GOM does end up becoming irrelevant? Did you ever stop to consider that SC2 might be better off under kespa? They bring far more to the table in terms of resources and potential for growth. This is nothing more then petty factionalism. Sure, that is possible, but please explain how Kespa would bring more resources and growth? There are a limited number of teams. Each team can have only so many sponsors before it becomes too saturated. The fan base will not grow at a rate similar to GOM due to Kespa's "refusal" to appeal to foreigners, and even if they did wish to, to Kespa, Korea will always come first. There are not many people who defend the progamer license, and even the defences are weak at best. Who says the number of teams is limited? There used to be 12 teams just a few years ago. And how do you know that they don't care about us? If they didn't care they wouldn't have hired moletrap and doa and they wouldn't have free vods on youtube. Yea, those teams failed/ran out of sponsors. They couldn't support 12 teams, how are they supposed to take care of all of Korea? They hired moletrap and doa because without english casters they wouldn't be able to survive in SC2.
Come on, they can't even get someone to sponsor "Team 8." LoL.
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We can only hope that KeSPA decides to change their schedule to allow them to attend for GSL4 otherwise this shit storm wont end for a long time...
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On August 25 2012 19:06 Zhalad wrote:
BrosephBrostar is either delusional or a troll, probably best just to ignore him...
I've yet to see anything but baseless fearmongering from anyone supporting the ESF. Everyone is conveniently forgetting that they're pulling out after previously agreeing to play and going through the preliminaries, but I guess that's ok because kespa is evil and trying to take SC2 away from you.
It's like I'm listening to Al Sharpton or something.
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I can't dig the quote, but you can even add to the chronology that last season, Kespa said that players were not ready for gsl season 3, but that they would play in gsl season 4. This is the root of the problem I think.
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On August 25 2012 19:13 KapsyL wrote:
We can only hope that KeSPA decides to change their schedule to allow them to attend for GSL4 otherwise this shit storm wont end for a long time...
It is not even that so much. I mean, most of the players are not playing in the PL or OSL, so there are a ton of B-teamers and people knocked out that should be able to play, not to mention GOM has worked a ton in the past to reschedule play dates to meet with other events.
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@6NR; awesome job in keeping everything in one thread.
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On August 25 2012 19:13 BrosephBrostar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 19:06 Zhalad wrote:
BrosephBrostar is either delusional or a troll, probably best just to ignore him... I've yet to see anything but baseless fearmongering from anyone supporting the ESF. Everyone is conveniently forgetting that they're pulling out after previously agreeing to play and going through the preliminaries, but I guess that's ok because kespa is evil and trying to SC2 away from you. It's like I'm listening to Al Sharpton or something.
Oh come on. You can't be comfortable that your favorite players have absolutely no voice in what they do at all. They're like slaves, they either take it or get out. Every single KeSPA pro/coach that was asked wants to participate in the GSL, it's just the sponsors on the KeSPA board that refuse to let them. Stork, and years before him Boxer, recently spoke out about no one taking the player's opinions into consideration. You really don't think the best solution to this is to just let those who want to play, play?
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On August 25 2012 19:13 BrosephBrostar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 19:06 Zhalad wrote:
BrosephBrostar is either delusional or a troll, probably best just to ignore him... I've yet to see anything but baseless fearmongering from anyone supporting the ESF. Everyone is conveniently forgetting that they're pulling out after previously agreeing to play and going through the preliminaries, but I guess that's ok because kespa is evil and trying to take SC2 away from you. It's like I'm listening to Al Sharpton or something.
No, no one is forgetting that, but we see the rebellion on ESF's part as necessary and they must as well. They believe this is the right step. I doubt any of the players and people in the ESF are just doing this to thumb their noses. They believe this is what they MUST do to maintain the state of Esports. Due to KeSPA's history, they feel that if they give in, then KeSPA will maintain a monopoly. They went into the OSL on faith in the "Esport Vision" deal that was made earlier in the year, not to mention that KeSPA has implied that they would allow their players to play once they got more practice, and by the state of WCG most people feel that their players should be ready enough to at least try out for the qualifier.
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On August 25 2012 19:06 Zhalad wrote:
BrosephBrostar is either delusional or a troll, probably best just to ignore him...
I totally agree!
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