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On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about.
Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol.
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On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol.
But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start?
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On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start?
You don't seem to understand that SC2 =/= BW. They are not the same game, BW champions have no legitimacy in SC2 until they earn it. You can get angry and claim otherwise, but it won't change the fact that it's true.
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On August 29 2012 05:31 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? You don't seem to understand that SC2 =/= BW. They are not the same game, BW champions have no legitimacy in SC2 until they earn it. You can get angry and claim otherwise, but it won't change the fact that it's true.
Does that mean that you don't think the weightlifter has any legitimacy in powerlifting?
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On August 29 2012 05:31 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? You don't seem to understand that SC2 =/= BW. They are not the same game, BW champions have no legitimacy in SC2 until they earn it. You can get angry and claim otherwise, but it won't change the fact that it's true.
Lol this guy have little game knowledge about both game.
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On August 29 2012 05:31 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? You don't seem to understand that SC2 =/= BW. They are not the same game, BW champions have no legitimacy in SC2 until they earn it. You can get angry and claim otherwise, but it won't change the fact that it's true.
starcraft is starcraft...its not bw to wc3 or wow to lol or dota 2 to cs, its starcraf to starcraft.
might as well say bw did nothing for sc2 and sc2 made its own scene on its own from scratch.
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On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start?
In BW you build probes by pressing P. In SC2 you build them by pressing E. I would probably have been able to beat Jangbi in his first ever SC2 game. So yes, a BW champion has to earn his legitimacy in SC2. Good at BW does not equate to good at SC2, it only makes the learning go faster.
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On August 29 2012 05:35 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:31 hunts wrote:On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? You don't seem to understand that SC2 =/= BW. They are not the same game, BW champions have no legitimacy in SC2 until they earn it. You can get angry and claim otherwise, but it won't change the fact that it's true. Lol this guy have little game knowledge about both game.
You say that because I disagree with your clearly biased opinion. I will bet anything that I've played SC1 and BW before you. And I'm quite sure I am and have been higher ranked than you and squeegy in SC2. But I've probably fed you 2 too much, I'll leave you to your trolling.
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On August 29 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:35 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2012 05:31 hunts wrote:On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? You don't seem to understand that SC2 =/= BW. They are not the same game, BW champions have no legitimacy in SC2 until they earn it. You can get angry and claim otherwise, but it won't change the fact that it's true. Lol this guy have little game knowledge about both game. You say that because I disagree with your clearly biased opinion. I will bet anything that I've played SC1 and BW before you. And I'm quite sure I am and have been higher ranked than you and squeegy in SC2. But I've probably fed you 2 too much, I'll leave you to your trolling.
I find it hilarious that you refuse to reply to my simple question that highlights your fallacy.
Nobody cares if you played some BW years ago. Everybody and their mom did. Or at least that's what everybody and their mom will claim nowadays. You're still a newbie to the scene.
On August 29 2012 05:43 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? In BW you build probes by pressing P. In SC2 you build them by pressing E. I would probably have been able to beat Jangbi in his first ever SC2 game. So yes, a BW champion has to earn his legitimacy in SC2. Good at BW does not equate to good at SC2, it only makes the learning go faster.
So because you don't instantly master the game, you have no legitimacy? I suppose that means the current F1 champion has no legitimacy in the backwards-F1, where everything is the same, except you drive the route to the other way. Nevermind the fact that he will learn this quite quickly, but if no one tells him, then he has no legitimacy in this sport, because F1 =/= Backwards-F1.
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On August 29 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:35 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2012 05:31 hunts wrote:On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? You don't seem to understand that SC2 =/= BW. They are not the same game, BW champions have no legitimacy in SC2 until they earn it. You can get angry and claim otherwise, but it won't change the fact that it's true. Lol this guy have little game knowledge about both game. You say that because I disagree with your clearly biased opinion. I will bet anything that I've played SC1 and BW before you. And I'm quite sure I am and have been higher ranked than you and squeegy in SC2. But I've probably fed you 2 too much, I'll leave you to your trolling.
Playing before =/= playing better.
You should know that by that from the Kespa vs ESF competion.
That being said, you have no clue about the StarCraft Universal game concept because that's all you've shown.
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On August 29 2012 06:01 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:On August 29 2012 05:35 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2012 05:31 hunts wrote:On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:
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How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.
good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? You don't seem to understand that SC2 =/= BW. They are not the same game, BW champions have no legitimacy in SC2 until they earn it. You can get angry and claim otherwise, but it won't change the fact that it's true. Lol this guy have little game knowledge about both game. You say that because I disagree with your clearly biased opinion. I will bet anything that I've played SC1 and BW before you. And I'm quite sure I am and have been higher ranked than you and squeegy in SC2. But I've probably fed you 2 too much, I'll leave you to your trolling. I find it hilarious that you refuse to reply to my simple question that highlights your fallacy. Nobody cares if you played some BW years ago. Everybody and their mom did. Or at least that's what everybody and their mom will claim nowadays. You're still a newbie to the scene. Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:43 gedatsu wrote:On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? In BW you build probes by pressing P. In SC2 you build them by pressing E. I would probably have been able to beat Jangbi in his first ever SC2 game. So yes, a BW champion has to earn his legitimacy in SC2. Good at BW does not equate to good at SC2, it only makes the learning go faster. So because you don't instantly master the game, you have no legitimacy? I suppose that means the current F1 champion has no legitimacy in the backwards-F1, where everything is the same, except you drive the route to the other way. Nevermind the fact that he will learn this quite quickly, but if no one tells him, then he has no legitimacy in this sport, because F1 =/= Backwards-F1.
A player that I can beat does not have any legitimacy at all. It's determined by how good a player is, not how good he may become. Regardless of how little time he requires to become that good.
Backwards-F1 is the same sport as F1, it's just a different track. Equivalent to playing SC2 on a new map.
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Am i the only one who finds the legitimacy of a player absurd? I mean fxochoya as a coach can be considered legitimate by people on the team. Or a government by people in a country. But a player, by who?
I think people mean a player is noteworthy, deserving of a placement in a tournament or to be respected for overall skill. Or perhaps expectations should be high. But none of this has anything to do with legitimacy. Maybe i'm looking at this too technical, but the use of the term 'legitimacy' in this discussion sounds weird to me.
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On August 29 2012 06:11 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 06:01 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:On August 29 2012 05:35 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2012 05:31 hunts wrote:On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:
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good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date
wait..........
Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? You don't seem to understand that SC2 =/= BW. They are not the same game, BW champions have no legitimacy in SC2 until they earn it. You can get angry and claim otherwise, but it won't change the fact that it's true. Lol this guy have little game knowledge about both game. You say that because I disagree with your clearly biased opinion. I will bet anything that I've played SC1 and BW before you. And I'm quite sure I am and have been higher ranked than you and squeegy in SC2. But I've probably fed you 2 too much, I'll leave you to your trolling. I find it hilarious that you refuse to reply to my simple question that highlights your fallacy. Nobody cares if you played some BW years ago. Everybody and their mom did. Or at least that's what everybody and their mom will claim nowadays. You're still a newbie to the scene. On August 29 2012 05:43 gedatsu wrote:On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? In BW you build probes by pressing P. In SC2 you build them by pressing E. I would probably have been able to beat Jangbi in his first ever SC2 game. So yes, a BW champion has to earn his legitimacy in SC2. Good at BW does not equate to good at SC2, it only makes the learning go faster. So because you don't instantly master the game, you have no legitimacy? I suppose that means the current F1 champion has no legitimacy in the backwards-F1, where everything is the same, except you drive the route to the other way. Nevermind the fact that he will learn this quite quickly, but if no one tells him, then he has no legitimacy in this sport, because F1 =/= Backwards-F1. A player that I can beat does not have any legitimacy at all. It's determined by how good a player is, not how good he may become. Regardless of how little time he requires to become that good. Backwards-F1 is the same sport as F1, it's just a different track. Equivalent to playing SC2 on a new map.
i played bw for almost 10 years before sc2, i was in diamond in season 1 within the first 20 games of my sc2 using random and not knowing about warpgates nor what units were good against what or reading up on tl for guide or builds. i'm 100% sure those who played bw for long time would have similar story. to say being good in bw does not mean good in sc2 is bullshit.
on a side note, my first loss, after going 5-0 placement came from 1 reaper because i made zealot first. this was wtf moment for me.
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On August 28 2012 13:24 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 13:17 theBizness wrote:On August 28 2012 12:35 ]343[ wrote:On August 28 2012 12:28 theBizness wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
Not really. I'm a grown-up. I don't want to watch immature ads for Red Bull and Axe and Doritos. Adidas, Samsung, etc are mainstream cultural brands. I don't want to watch a competition in a dark theater of boys, I want to watch it in a well-lit studio full of both genders. I want to watch it on a public beach in front of tens of thousands of people.
Kespa esport is(or were at least) special, it is friendlier, more approachable, and more attractive than the other stuff, which is darker and tackier. You've got a vivid imagination. What part of "in a well-lit studio full of both genders. I want to watch it on a public beach in front of tens of thousands of people" is imagined? Oh, maybe "ten." On August 28 2012 12:30 markrevival wrote:On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:
GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments. The world has gotten along extraordinarily well without KeSPA for the last 2 years. KeSPA could pull a 360 and GOM and the global SCII community would continue to thrive and grow. This is true as long as Blizzard keeps pumping money into SC2; if "GOM and the global SCII community" were left to their own devices (like KeSPA was), I'm not so sure. Because watching it on a public beach in front of tens of thousands of people isn't happening anywhere anytime soon, even in Korea. A well-lit studio full of both genders... maybe if we're lucky. Um, almost every recent Proleague final has been held on a public beach (in GwangAnRi) in front of thousands of people.
We'll see if/how it carries over to SC2.
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On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about.
But thats a different game. It doesnt count for me and thats coming from a guy that likes Brood war and the players.
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On August 29 2012 08:15 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. But thats a different game. It doesnt count for me and thats coming from a guy that likes Brood war and the players.
It just so happens that this different game is the predecessor of this newer game.
A lot of the mechanics they learned will carry over quite well.
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On August 29 2012 08:55 rebdomine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 08:15 TommyP wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. But thats a different game. It doesnt count for me and thats coming from a guy that likes Brood war and the players. It just so happens that this different game is the predecessor of this newer game. A lot of the mechanics they learned will carry over quite well.
Yeah man those creep tumors were so good in BW, I'm glad scourge and lurkers own in SC2, and man those dragoon warp ins were brutal in BW!
No really, just because one's a sequel does not make it the same, as has been proven already.
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On August 29 2012 09:23 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 08:55 rebdomine wrote:On August 29 2012 08:15 TommyP wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. But thats a different game. It doesnt count for me and thats coming from a guy that likes Brood war and the players. It just so happens that this different game is the predecessor of this newer game. A lot of the mechanics they learned will carry over quite well. Yeah man those creep tumors were so good in BW, I'm glad scourge and lurkers own in SC2, and man those dragoon warp ins were brutal in BW! No really, just because one's a sequel does not make it the same, as has been proven already.
No but the bw players have already shown stuff that current sc2 players don't do, and are a lot more active with many things then other players.
Jaedong is arguebly the best creep spreader in sc2, you can laugh at the queen buff all you want but watch other zergs creep spread and then watch jaedong and his creep spread is better at say 7 minutes, then like almost any other sc2 player out there.
This is just one example there are others. They have played only 3-4 months and are already beating Code S players and champions. It's crazy how fast they got sick good.
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On August 29 2012 06:16 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 06:11 gedatsu wrote:On August 29 2012 06:01 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:47 hunts wrote:On August 29 2012 05:35 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2012 05:31 hunts wrote:On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:
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How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? You don't seem to understand that SC2 =/= BW. They are not the same game, BW champions have no legitimacy in SC2 until they earn it. You can get angry and claim otherwise, but it won't change the fact that it's true. Lol this guy have little game knowledge about both game. You say that because I disagree with your clearly biased opinion. I will bet anything that I've played SC1 and BW before you. And I'm quite sure I am and have been higher ranked than you and squeegy in SC2. But I've probably fed you 2 too much, I'll leave you to your trolling. I find it hilarious that you refuse to reply to my simple question that highlights your fallacy. Nobody cares if you played some BW years ago. Everybody and their mom did. Or at least that's what everybody and their mom will claim nowadays. You're still a newbie to the scene. On August 29 2012 05:43 gedatsu wrote:On August 29 2012 05:21 Squeegy wrote:On August 29 2012 05:05 hunts wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:
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How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.
good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. Sorry but SC2 =/= BW. BW pros don't have any legitimacy in SC2 until they prove themselves. Just as they wouldn't have any in WC3, LoL, dota2, or power lifting until they could prove themselves. Telling people to "remain silent" because they disagree with your biased opinion is not a very nice thing either, but it's expected of someone like you at this point so meh, mods don't care lol. But we are not talking about your WoW. We are talking about SC. It does not follow from SC2 is not BW that BW champions have to earn their legitimacy from the ground again. Take a weightlifting champion and make him a powerlifter. Do you think he won't have any legitimacy from the start? In BW you build probes by pressing P. In SC2 you build them by pressing E. I would probably have been able to beat Jangbi in his first ever SC2 game. So yes, a BW champion has to earn his legitimacy in SC2. Good at BW does not equate to good at SC2, it only makes the learning go faster. So because you don't instantly master the game, you have no legitimacy? I suppose that means the current F1 champion has no legitimacy in the backwards-F1, where everything is the same, except you drive the route to the other way. Nevermind the fact that he will learn this quite quickly, but if no one tells him, then he has no legitimacy in this sport, because F1 =/= Backwards-F1. A player that I can beat does not have any legitimacy at all. It's determined by how good a player is, not how good he may become. Regardless of how little time he requires to become that good. Backwards-F1 is the same sport as F1, it's just a different track. Equivalent to playing SC2 on a new map. i played bw for almost 10 years before sc2, i was in diamond in season 1 within the first 20 games of my sc2 using random and not knowing about warpgates nor what units were good against what or reading up on tl for guide or builds. i'm 100% sure those who played bw for long time would have similar story. to say being good in bw does not mean good in sc2 is bullshit. on a side note, my first loss, after going 5-0 placement came from 1 reaper because i made zealot first. this was wtf moment for me.
I was diamond in season 1 without much attempt too, and I barely play any RTS. Just wc3 team games and customs
I got there purely with 1 base muta play, with occasional 2 bases. that was how hard season 1 was.
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On August 29 2012 09:23 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 08:55 rebdomine wrote:On August 29 2012 08:15 TommyP wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that. good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date wait.......... Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement? Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about. But thats a different game. It doesnt count for me and thats coming from a guy that likes Brood war and the players. It just so happens that this different game is the predecessor of this newer game. A lot of the mechanics they learned will carry over quite well. Yeah man those creep tumors were so good in BW, I'm glad scourge and lurkers own in SC2, and man those dragoon warp ins were brutal in BW! No really, just because one's a sequel does not make it the same, as has been proven already.
Looks like someone missed his StarCraft terminology 101 class.
Please hunts, do some research on what mechanics actually mean instead of inventing your own definition of what it is.
Because mechanics does not mean an identical translation of intricacies. It means performing many tasks at proficient level.
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