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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44391 Posts
August 28 2012 04:59 GMT
#2221
On August 28 2012 12:32 TommyP wrote:

4:10
MC's take on how Kespa players switching over with affect him and other top players.


"I'm not worried because I'm a champion."

What a fucking Boss(Toss).

When I saw Best vs. MC in my Liquibets, I nearly came. Sooo glad this is still happening ♥ Best may not be amazing at SC2 at the moment, but I still love SKT ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
August 28 2012 05:00 GMT
#2222
On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it.


How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 06:36:54
August 28 2012 06:35 GMT
#2223
On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it.


How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.



good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date

wait..........
Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 06:43:58
August 28 2012 06:43 GMT
#2224
On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it.


How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.



good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date

wait..........
Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them

How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement?
synaptik
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada644 Posts
August 28 2012 06:44 GMT
#2225
On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it.


How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.


and so far no kespa player has received the numerous GSL seeds/handouts that naniwa copped.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
August 28 2012 07:16 GMT
#2226
On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:
On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it.


How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.



good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date

wait..........
Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them

How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement?


Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about.
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 28 2012 07:17 GMT
#2227
On August 28 2012 16:16 Squeegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 15:43 bo1b wrote:
On August 28 2012 15:35 StorrZerg wrote:
On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it.


How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.



good thing kespa players have played in every single mlg and gsl to date

wait..........
Pretty bad statement to make man. Something to be said after a few gsls and mlgs when kespa players have played in them

How is him saying that people have to earn legitimacy a bad statement?


Because his idea of earning it is disrespectful towards the Kespa pros. These guys have earned legitimacy through BW already and it counts. Of course a newbie to the scene might not understand that but he should simply remain silent then. Ignorance is not something to brag about.


Just read through this whole thread and it's crazy at the ignorance lol xD
When I think of something else, something will go here
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
August 28 2012 09:35 GMT
#2228
Today we will see which is the better group. By the way why is this bo1 only? what is the format?
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
August 28 2012 09:36 GMT
#2229
If there was a good reason for Kespa to to keep its players out it could be fear of the GSL maps. The Kespa players who get picked for GSL and even ones who qualify are going to have to quickly learn a bunch of maps that they probably havnt been practicing and they are going to have to learn them quick because it is almost a 100% chance that any code S player who gets a mapchoice will pick a map like Atlantis Spaceship or Whirlwind.
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
August 28 2012 09:41 GMT
#2230
On August 28 2012 18:36 Adreme wrote:
If there was a good reason for Kespa to to keep its players out it could be fear of the GSL maps. The Kespa players who get picked for GSL and even ones who qualify are going to have to quickly learn a bunch of maps that they probably havnt been practicing and they are going to have to learn them quick because it is almost a 100% chance that any code S player who gets a mapchoice will pick a map like Atlantis Spaceship or Whirlwind.


The Kespa players have been learning to play new maps in BW for ages. With a well-oiled pro-team behind you, I can't imagine that a new map is really a big hurdle.
Such flammable little insects!
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
August 28 2012 09:49 GMT
#2231
So glad we get to see KeSPA players in the GSL now! Should be really awesome to watch!
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
August 28 2012 09:52 GMT
#2232
go jaedong
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
zazone
Profile Joined April 2011
Romania460 Posts
August 28 2012 10:03 GMT
#2233
On August 28 2012 13:55 a176 wrote:
this thread has pretty much illustrated that many players new to the scene, through sc2, really have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to kespa, its players, and leagues.

they should just shut the fuck up but they keep mumbling nonsenses.

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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 28 2012 10:05 GMT
#2234
On August 28 2012 19:03 zazone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 13:55 a176 wrote:
this thread has pretty much illustrated that many players new to the scene, through sc2, really have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to kespa, its players, and leagues.

they should just shut the fuck up but they keep mumbling nonsenses.
Will the experts then elaborate on the issue?
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
August 28 2012 11:55 GMT
#2235
On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it.


How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.

Please don't be such a bigot. The seeds for Kespa players are an act of good will and sign of respect. Even if it is only for the story line, we should be thankful for this handfull of seeds.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1598 Posts
August 28 2012 13:46 GMT
#2236
On August 28 2012 20:55 [F_]aths wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it.


How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.

Please don't be such a bigot. The seeds for Kespa players are an act of good will and sign of respect. Even if it is only for the story line, we should be thankful for this handfull of seeds.


I don't get why everyone is arguing about the subtleties of GOM and KESPA working together and who is better than who. I will flat out tell you, go watch the WCS matches, if you know what to look for you can see that even in the games where the KESPA players lose, the matches are close, because KESPA players know how to RTS. They do the proper things like continually scout, always attempt to do something with their units that has minimal risk for high rewards, macro like no other, actually defend properly, and make educated decisions. Their losses are just on unfamiliarity with game when matched up against someone who has been playing for 2 years. All the other small shit though doesn't stack up to much, and really shouldn't have that much time spent on it.

Also the reason why I came here.
Does anyone else think that Blizzard was the reason why these two companies got along? I mean nothing changed other than ESF pulled their players (which I don't really think affected KESPA too much). I think they could have found some more BW pros. I don't really understand why this has worked out so quickly. And if Blizzard is involved I think it is for selfish reasons same as KESPA. They want to force tournaments to switch ASAP when they release the new title, as to force the viewer to buy their 1/3 of a game (game is in 3 parts).
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50196 Posts
August 28 2012 13:48 GMT
#2237
we'll really know how they'll cooperate with each other when talks of the next season of proleague begins.
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iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
August 28 2012 16:28 GMT
#2238
Yaaaaaayyyy!!! Kespa pros! Happy everything worked out, well for the fans Atleast
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
August 28 2012 16:31 GMT
#2239
On August 28 2012 22:46 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 20:55 [F_]aths wrote:
On August 28 2012 14:00 Luepert wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it.


How about this? NOBODY has ANY legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he does deserve it. When a guy gets round of 8 twice in gsl, and come second at an MLG, then he has, let's say the legitimacy of Naniwa. So far no kespa player has come close to that.

Please don't be such a bigot. The seeds for Kespa players are an act of good will and sign of respect. Even if it is only for the story line, we should be thankful for this handfull of seeds.


I don't get why everyone is arguing about the subtleties of GOM and KESPA working together and who is better than who. I will flat out tell you, go watch the WCS matches, if you know what to look for you can see that even in the games where the KESPA players lose, the matches are close, because KESPA players know how to RTS. They do the proper things like continually scout, always attempt to do something with their units that has minimal risk for high rewards, macro like no other, actually defend properly, and make educated decisions. Their losses are just on unfamiliarity with game when matched up against someone who has been playing for 2 years. All the other small shit though doesn't stack up to much, and really shouldn't have that much time spent on it.

Also the reason why I came here.
Does anyone else think that Blizzard was the reason why these two companies got along? I mean nothing changed other than ESF pulled their players (which I don't really think affected KESPA too much). I think they could have found some more BW pros. I don't really understand why this has worked out so quickly. And if Blizzard is involved I think it is for selfish reasons same as KESPA. They want to force tournaments to switch ASAP when they release the new title, as to force the viewer to buy their 1/3 of a game (game is in 3 parts).

Yeah I think blizzard stepped in. They've done it before with gom. I think they are trying to keep done power.
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
August 28 2012 19:26 GMT
#2240
I don't care if the players are associated with kespa or not, I just want good matches. Can't wait for GSL to start again!
maru G5L pls
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