EPT[Resolved] Kespa, GOM, ESF dispute - Page 2
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CuSToM
United States1478 Posts
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Lumi
United States1616 Posts
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Rictusz
Latvia31 Posts
On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote: I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." GOM has a legit reason for it , because thats exactly what KeSPA has done and probably wants to do again , make everything that doesnt dance by their flute irrelevant. | ||
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Otak
United Kingdom110 Posts
On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote: I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." Are you kidding? GomTv has been showing Starcraft 2 since 2010 and has done a very good job doing so. Kespa has recently started sc2 and now wants the monopoly on having ALL the big name players in one tournament. If you're too blinded to see that Kespa is just deliberately trying to shut GomTv out so that they become irrelevant again then I don't know what to say to you. And to be quite honest, I think in everyones mind, GSL is the premier sc2 tournament at the moment, not the Kespa league. | ||
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Zhalad
Australia231 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On August 25 2012 18:37 ssj_ds wrote: I'm beginning to hope Kespa screws ESF over and decides they can't play in the OSL going forward (I don't think that's unreasonable considering they all decided to pull out mid tournament). Kespa then allows B-team players to compete in GSL. B teamers proceed to win GSL (eventually) and no one watches because the real action is in the OSL. If something like that did happen, I could see it going the way of NL/AL in baseball, they create a championship between the two leagues (i.e. World Series) and then eventually make friends and join forces. I doubt it would happen...but it would be cool. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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While in fact is that Kespa is still blocking the GSL for its players atm, and hence the ESF stays true to its previous announcemt and stay away from the OSL. All Kespa announced is that it will drop the blockade after season 4 and I expect that the ESF to participate in Kespa run leagues by then, | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51621 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On August 25 2012 18:43 JustPassingBy wrote: I do not like the "still" in point 4. It kind of implies that Kespa gave in to their demands, yet ESF "still" does not give in. While in fact is that Kespa is still blocking the GSL for its players atm, and hence the ESF stays true to its previous announcemt and stay away from the OSL. All Kespa announced is that it will drop the blockade after season 4 and I expect that the ESF to participate in Kespa run leagues by then, They did not say that they would drop the blockade after season 4, they said they would participate in Season 5, but that is all. There are holes and issues with statements from both sides, but I am sure there is a bunch of backroom back and forth going on that we are unaware of and these are just the statements they are releasing. | ||
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viasacra89
United States134 Posts
On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote: I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." Love how you're attacking ESF/GOM for doing the EXACT same thing Kespa is doing. | ||
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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On August 25 2012 18:37 TheAmazombie wrote: I think that their goal is to carry Korean E-Sports a step forward globally, and they feel that GOM and all of the foreign tourneys have done this. KeSPA has made a lot of claims about wanting to open up, but everyone, even the players, are skeptical of that, with good reason to be. They are fighting not just for GOM, but for the KeSPA players, the foreign players, and the fans globally I think. Most of the fans support GOM and what they have done for the community, that includes the SC2 pro players it appears. This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players. On August 25 2012 18:40 Otak wrote: Are you kidding? GomTv has been showing Starcraft 2 since 2010 and has done a very good job doing so. Kespa has recently started sc2 and now wants the monopoly on having ALL the big name players in one tournament. If you're too blinded to see that Kespa is just deliberately trying to shut GomTv out so that they become irrelevant again then I don't know what to say to you. And to be quite honest, I think in everyones mind, GSL is the premier sc2 tournament at the moment, not the Kespa league. And so what if GOM does end up becoming irrelevant? Did you ever stop to consider that SC2 might be better off under kespa? They bring far more to the table in terms of resources and potential for growth. This is nothing more then petty factionalism. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote: This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players. I just refuse to think that is such a horrible thing at this time. I think that if KeSPA failed, people, sponsors, and fans would not just "forget" and give up on this industry. Yes, there might be a loss, but there is still a huge fan base for people like Flash and JD. If the infrastructure fails, those guys will get picked up by another team somewhere, I am sure, and they will keep playing. As long as their are fans, there will be money. I understand your point of view, but I don't think that it is the end of the world nor do I think it would hurt Korean eSports as badly if KeSPA completely fucks this up. | ||
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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote: I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports." even MC who isnt part of them follow the ESF direction ... you have a pointless stand and your pretty much the 1% on kespa side, kespa tryed EVERYTHING to DESTROY gom in sc1, they make it so hard in the end that gom had to STOP make their tournaments because kespa boykott everything and now they make the same in sc2 and its NOT possible to allow that a real fan not allow gom to die ... anyone who supports THAT kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of esport ... you are a fan of dictatorship of 1 organisation who NOT is known for support foreign things so you will have no good english cast etc etc ... jaeh your pointless! | ||
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6NR
United States1472 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote: This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players. And so what if GOM does end up becoming irrelevant? Did you ever stop to consider that SC2 might be better off under kespa? They bring far more to the table in terms of resources and potential for growth. This is nothing more then petty factionalism. 1000% sc2 ISNT better under kespa kespa is controling everything so players arent allowed to go free to foreign tournaments, no koreans anymore in ipl dreamhack etc etc only one big tournament the kespa one in korea every other get destroyed etc etc ... is that what you want ? well than kespa is right for you ... | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
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viasacra89
United States134 Posts
On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote: This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players. And so what if GOM does end up becoming irrelevant? Did you ever stop to consider that SC2 might be better off under kespa? They bring far more to the table in terms of resources and potential for growth. This is nothing more then petty factionalism. Sure, that is possible, but please explain how Kespa would bring more resources and growth? There are a limited number of teams. Each team can have only so many sponsors before it becomes too saturated. The fan base will not grow at a rate similar to GOM due to Kespa's "refusal" to appeal to foreigners, and even if they did wish to, to Kespa, Korea will always come first. There are not many people who defend the progamer license, and even the defences are weak at best. | ||
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