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On August 28 2012 07:33 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 07:29 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.
Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP. Guys like Effort and Roro are better right now at SC2 though, so it's best to give the seeds to the ones that have proven themselves to be good in SC2. Flash and Jaedong would be more of a ratings grab. Which, honestly, me and a lot of people would not mind. **** competitive play, I want fanservice.
Gom gives foreigners who win a tournament a Code S seed, but when a Code A/B Korean wins one, they dont get a seed. Why do they do this? For the views. Id put money on it being fan favorites, unless Kespa is picking the players.
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This is amazing news! Giant thanks for ESF having the balls to stand up to Kespa! Let's hope it lasts, and looking forward to GSL4 and the OSL.
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roro and rain for code S, and give out the code a seeds with some balance between actual result plus marketing opportunities (hero[join] and effort with flash and jaedong for example)
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On August 28 2012 07:33 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 07:29 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.
Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP. Guys like Effort and Roro are better right now at SC2 though, so it's best to give the seeds to the ones that have proven themselves to be good in SC2. Flash and Jaedong would be more of a ratings grab. Which, honestly, me and a lot of people would not mind. **** competitive play, I want fanservice.
GOM already has a history of seeding players solely for ratings (Idra) so there is precedent. Personally, while I am a HUGE fan of Jaedong, I don't believe seeds should be given out at all. KeSPA players should earn their place in GSL, as they have earned their place in the OSLs and MSLs of the past.
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On August 28 2012 07:50 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 07:33 dabom88 wrote:On August 28 2012 07:29 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.
Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP. Guys like Effort and Roro are better right now at SC2 though, so it's best to give the seeds to the ones that have proven themselves to be good in SC2. Flash and Jaedong would be more of a ratings grab. Which, honestly, me and a lot of people would not mind. **** competitive play, I want fanservice. Gom gives foreigners who win a tournament a Code S seed, but when a Code A/B Korean wins one, they dont get a seed. Why do they do this? For the views. Id put money on it being fan favorites, unless Kespa is picking the players.
It's probably Kespa picking, pending a Final Say from GOM. They probably don't want Kespa picking random B-teamers or something.
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Right now, I'd say Roro and Sun for Code S, and maybe Effort, Trap, Hero and Jaedong for Code A.
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On August 28 2012 07:50 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 07:33 dabom88 wrote:On August 28 2012 07:29 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.
Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP. Guys like Effort and Roro are better right now at SC2 though, so it's best to give the seeds to the ones that have proven themselves to be good in SC2. Flash and Jaedong would be more of a ratings grab. Which, honestly, me and a lot of people would not mind. **** competitive play, I want fanservice. Gom gives foreigners who win a tournament a Code S seed, but when a Code A/B Korean wins one, they dont get a seed. Why do they do this? For the views. Id put money on it being fan favorites, unless Kespa is picking the players.
obviously alicia deserves a seed,but he had bad timing to do good :/
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cool, glad to see Kespa in GSL 
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AWESOME NEWS!!
I can't wait to see Flash playing in Code S!
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On August 28 2012 07:29 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.
Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP.
Wait, but GOM isn't on TV, so no one's going to "flip through the channels" and decide to stay.
They're going to have to actively go to the GOM website to watch.
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Yay! Resolved!
Kespa capitulating i mean hwaiting!
Joking, with all the negotiating going on behind the scenes, we may never really know.
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The funny thing about this is not the ESF players' chances of winning GSL or staying/getting in Code S/A are a lot lower. I wonder if the lower tier ESF players are pissed about this whole deal.
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I am glad things worked out .
Though I am disappointed that this had to be done (KeSPA having to be forced to do this).
I was one of those supporters of KeSPA. I mean, I thought they really cared for eSports as a whole + I didn't think they would try to kill off GOM by not cooperating with them but instead trying to out compete them.
eSports is still small and because of that, there is plenty of room for GOM and KeSPA.
(Though GOM is different since they just run a tournament while KeSPA is bigger and runs teams and tournaments too not only for SC but for other games too.)
Anyway, I am disappointed that KeSPA players weren't allowed to participate in GSL from the get go (and that KeSPA had to be forced to do so). I thought they were going to change for the better in SC2 >.<. *Tears*
KeSPA's "we're too busy" card doesn't work because you have to take into account of every player being busy (and that's definitely not the case). Not to mention GOM and KeSPA could easily work around schedules (I doubt KeSPA has enough events alone, even with MLG cross match, for "every player" to be "busy" all "seven days of the week").
Not every player is busy (especially b-teamers). Plus it's a win win for them and GOM because they'll get more viewers for the OSL by advertising their players in the GSL.
(Including b teamers with nothing else to do. Before this incident, if KeSPA just hogged Jaedong, Flash, Stork, Bisu or the other big names to themselves [and just say they had to focus on KeSPA events only or whatever], then I'd be fine with that. But KeSPA prevented everyone including B-teamers from even trying out from the GSL. Now, in the former case, it'd be the thought that counts (IMO) as at least KeSPA would be sending some of their players to GSL, and that would be KeSPA *acknowledging the GSL (also despite b-teamers being b-teamers, they have yet to fully test their potential and skills on SC2, so they may be unknown future stars).
*I remember reading an interview where it was said KeSPA didn't even acknowledge the GSL existed or something like that (basically implying that they want to "take over" SC2 from the GSL). I thought that was just that, a rumor but sad it ended up being true >.<
Edit - About the seeds. I disagree with seeds (I agree that you should earn yourself to Code S and A because it is really hard to get into Code A and S in the first place). I would be fine with this if they only do it this one time (as I do feel bad for people trying to get into Code A and S).
Though on the bright side, with the OSL opening, more players have a chance to at least participate in one tournament.
San for example is one of my favorite players and I was sad that he wasn't able to get back into Code A or S "but" now with the OSL, here is San again fighting !
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Bravo! Thanks for the updated post. Interested to see how this relationship develops in the future.
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haha
eSF won big battle big time.
KeSPA conceded and gained almost nothing.
I'm disappointed KeSPA didn't have the foresight to understand that it was a fight they couldn't win.
Blizzard is in full support of GOM and the international community is strong enough now to vote with their wallet.
It would be complete suicide if they tried to do what they did to GOM Classic again.
go international esports!
*buys GSL Season 4 ticket*
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Well, I guess the "scheduling conflict" wasn't as troublesome as originally thought, nice one KeSPA.
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On August 28 2012 08:06 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 07:33 dabom88 wrote:On August 28 2012 07:29 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.
Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP. Guys like Effort and Roro are better right now at SC2 though, so it's best to give the seeds to the ones that have proven themselves to be good in SC2. Flash and Jaedong would be more of a ratings grab. Which, honestly, me and a lot of people would not mind. **** competitive play, I want fanservice. GOM already has a history of seeding players solely for ratings (Idra) so there is precedent. Personally, while I am a HUGE fan of Jaedong, I don't believe seeds should be given out at all. KeSPA players should earn their place in GSL, as they have earned their place in the OSLs and MSLs of the past.
I cant think of an unjustified GOM seed before. All of them had either recent results or a very good argument as to why they deserved it (like for example never having lost there code S spot).
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GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation.
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On August 28 2012 07:50 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 07:33 dabom88 wrote:On August 28 2012 07:29 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:
As much as I'd like to see the best Kespa players be the ones to get the seeds, I believe it is clearly in the best interest of both Kespa and GOM to give the seeds to S-class players, specifically Flash and Jaedong.
Hopefully, for the Korean scene at least, some dude will be flipping through the channels and see that Jaedong is playing Sc2 against MVP or something and decide to watch for a bit. The same thing might not have happened if, say, RoRo was playing against MVP. Guys like Effort and Roro are better right now at SC2 though, so it's best to give the seeds to the ones that have proven themselves to be good in SC2. Flash and Jaedong would be more of a ratings grab. Which, honestly, me and a lot of people would not mind. **** competitive play, I want fanservice. Gom gives foreigners who win a tournament a Code S seed, but when a Code A/B Korean wins one, they dont get a seed. Why do they do this? For the views. Id put money on it being fan favorites, unless Kespa is picking the players.
Well, think about the travelcosts for the players, just to play the qualifier.IMO it's the right way to handle it. So it's not the only reason to get more viewers from EU/US etc.
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That's right KESPA eat a dick.
User was warned for this post
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EPT
