Heart of the Swarm Unit Stats - Page 9

On June 09 2012 22:22 Anima4 wrote:
I don't like the fact that the mothership core costs supply

On June 09 2012 22:37 SarcasmMonster wrote:


I disagree. That's a 50% increase in hp. Now they are almost as tanky as Zealots for the same cost, which is exactly what mech needed. Since they can be reactored, it will (almost ^_^) be as good as Gateways.

On June 09 2012 22:44 SimDawg wrote:


That's as deeply as these guys think. They design units to do things as narrowly as possible. When things are used creatively they have a hissy fit.

On June 09 2012 22:40 Sapphire.lux wrote:

If it's instant, it might be a decent way to burn energy against HT.

On June 09 2012 22:49 s3rp wrote:


Hmm ok still doesn't solve the problem that they're slower than just about every Zerg and Toss unit they're supposed to kill with melee range. I guess they only become good if you manage to fight from a fortified position.

On June 09 2012 22:51 ZenithM wrote:

Well they're meant as a buffer for mech against lings and zealots, what did you expect? Blink and 7 range?

On June 09 2012 22:49 s3rp wrote:


Hmm ok still doesn't solve the problem that they're slower than just about every Zerg and Toss unit they're supposed to kill with melee range. I guess they only become good if you manage to fight from a fortified position.

On June 09 2012 22:55 SarcasmMonster wrote:


Yeah, mech will always be less mobile than the mobile compositions of the other races lol.

As long as Battlehellions can cost effectively hold ground, then it's doing its job. The siege tank can sure use a buff though...

On June 09 2012 22:51 drbrown wrote:
The only thing i wonder is how they intended for zerg to counter the tempest.

The only unit composition in WoL that is reliable in ZvP is infestor/brood lord, anything else will fall to a lategame protoss army. If they can take pot shots at the brood lords/infestors all day long with range 22 Tempests how exactly are we supposed to respond?

Abduct has 7 range, Neural Parasite 7, Corruptors 6, Fungal Growth roughly 7.

This problem gets amplified by the fact that protoss will be a lot more mobile than zerg in the lategame with mothership core, cant put flying units in a nydus.

On June 09 2012 22:56 s3rp wrote:


Sad thing though its not just the mobile compositions its basically every ground composition that exists is faster than Mech thanks to Thors and Siege Tanks.

On June 09 2012 22:50 ohampatu wrote:



did something change about the warhound thats diff in the op?

Warhound should be a really good unit, makes mech almost viable in every MU, you have a new unit that takes the place of marine/rauder it sounds like. With spidermines now, i think mech will indeed be possible in all MU's. Im not finding any info that the autocastable ability is unit specific.

TvT looks like it will stay relatively the same in its 'core'. Mech or bio'mech being the comps that sound like they will be the 'standards'. TvZ looks like Mech or BioMech will be viable, although im not complete sure. Depends on how good warhound is vs armored. Otherwise me might see a rauder-mech style come out. TvP i can't even fathom currently. Bio-Mech looks like it will remain stronger than full mech, or rather rauder-tank with spidermines.

I know alot of T dont like bio-mech strats because of the range of upgrades needed, and they end up falling behind on upgrades late-late game, but HotS is looking legit. Deathball styles will be easier to break in all MU's.

On June 09 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:



You can't take WoL 'Metagame' and add in a single unit. Currently in WoL infestor/brood is the go to strat because its so fucking strong. But stephano style play works as well. Infestor/brood isn't the only style, just the best 'lategame comp'.

Your adding protoss Tempest in while forgetting all the good zerg stuff added. Deathballs shouldn't kill zerg anymore, at least not Protoss deathballs, they have alot of options to split the opponent up/tear him apart. As long as the maps are good the MU will be great. Collosus wont be an issue anymore, and to be honest with you im thinking Tempest is going to be good for Defense, or for Containment. It wont be a unit that makes or breaks a composition, its too slow/etc.

On June 09 2012 22:58 ohampatu wrote:



I still dont get why terrans complain about thors and siege tanks speed. Those units are supposed to be slow. If you want them to run as fast as your othe runits, use your 5-6 empty medivacks to transport the tanks across the map in the air above your bio/faster units. Protoss players use Warpprisms and HT because of slowness and it helps protect them. As long as you respond fast enough to drop your tanks once you get close to enemy territory your fine.

On June 09 2012 23:04 raf3776 wrote:
I wonder if you can make the widowmine not latch on automatically. Hold it back manually and then release it when you want to