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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43725 Posts
On June 07 2012 19:39 Snowbear wrote: Every terran knows that tvz is damn hard and really zerg favoured. The statistics show the same. Damn hard? Sure, every match-up is damn hard. Really Zerg favored? ...Not historically. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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bLecK
Australia625 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:09 Probe1 wrote: Terrans are hilarious with their angst. Welcome to the sad club, we've been waiting so long. Enjoy coming up with new strategies! Terran's are consistently the only race that creates tons of unique and standard build orders. Not sure what you are implying. | ||
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mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
On June 07 2012 19:50 mEtRoSG wrote: u sir have obviosuly no idea what your talking about, terran has been by far the race with the largest and most frequent buildorder style changes in the sc2 history Yes, weh have seen the frequent buildorder style: "I have found a build that auto wins you by the 10 minute mark at the latest" "oh got nerfed" "No matter I found another one" "damn nerfed again" "Here have you ever tried this units? You can actually end the game at 9 Minutes without risk" "damn blizzard why is taht shit nerfed again? Terra is historically the weakest!" "Haha I just experimented with 2 old builds lately and tried a fusion, gets you a win at 10 Minutes!" "Blizz is just plain stupid, we only have a 55% winrate in korea and the are still buffing the others" Was that the kind of changes you had in mind? User was warned for this post | ||
Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:14 mnck wrote: I predict the graph for April will be the most Zerg favored yet, probably going to beat Terrans all time high. Dont see anyone stopping Symbol and Life from their tear through GSTL. Lol... dude it's June | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:13 Tippecanoe wrote: Terran's are consistently the only race that creates tons of unique and standard build orders. Not sure what you are implying. I want to see Terrans adapt to the game instead of creating builds that abuse the other races. And ofcourse terrans make the most strategies because it has such a good design that allows it. That doesn't mean every build out there is smart or deserves attention. | ||
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Mayd
Finland251 Posts
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:16 Charon1979 wrote: Yes, weh have seen the frequent buildorder style: "I have found a build that auto wins you by the 10 minute mark at the latest" "oh got nerfed" "No matter I found another one" "damn nerfed again" "Here have you ever tried this units? You can actually end the game at 9 Minutes without risk" "damn blizzard why is taht shit nerfed again? Terra is historically the weakest!" "Haha I just experimented with 2 old builds lately and tried a fusion, gets you a win at 10 Minutes!" "Blizz is just plain stupid, we only have a 55% winrate in korea and the are still buffing the others" Was that the kind of changes you had in mind? Have you been 2 raxed a lot recently? | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
Ouch, the truth stings a little, huh? | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:19 Probe1 wrote: I'm implying that from what I see, things aren't nearly as bad in TvZ as things were in TvP when the 1 1 1 came out. The OP is pretty sure things will only get worse until the balance-pocalypse comes and all worthy players ascend to heaven. Yeah nah someone is going to figure out a new meta and the game will evolve and everything will be buttery. Ouh Probe1, I missed you..  Looking forward to your new blogs Well, I agree that something has to be done in TvZ. Reduce the queen range to 4 maybe? | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4514 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:19 Probe1 wrote: I'm implying that from what I see, things aren't nearly as bad in TvZ as things were in TvP when the 1 1 1 came out. The OP is pretty sure things will only get worse until the balance-pocalypse comes and all worthy players ascend to heaven. Yeah nah someone is going to figure out a new meta and the game will evolve and everything will be buttery. posts like this just amuse me what new metagame do you suggest? Without buffs, the TvZ lategame is zerg-favoured, terran can't remax nearly as fast and trading with BL-infestor is ridiculously hard. So we need a metagame that allows us to win before the lategame, or enter the lategame with a solid advantage. How can we accomplish that? - Harrass the zerg: We have reapers, banshees and hellions to harrass, queens own them all even when outnumbered, and every zerg goes at least 3 queens nowadays. Not viable anymore. - Go quick third and try to get ahead in econ: Get owned by any roach pressure into third or roach/ling/bling allin (I'll refer you to GSTL if you don't believe me). Even if the zerg lets you get your econ up, you haven't pressured them at all so their econ will be ridiculous too, and you'll still be behind in the lategame. So tell us, oh wise Probe1, what metagame revolutions are you thinking of? | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:17 ceaRshaf wrote: I want to see Terrans adapt to the game instead of creating builds that abuse the other races. And ofcourse terrans make the most strategies because it has such a good design that allows it. That doesn't mean every build out there is smart or deserves attention. Er. Surely that is adapting to the game, abusing the weaknesses of other races. Terrans do it consistantly - TvP is all about avoiding the autowin 3/3 deathball. Same in TvZ - since the ghost nerf, it's all about finding some way of dealing with the inevitable T3 deathball. Sure, Terrans can get their own deathball (the mech deathball) but it's also massively expensive and extremely difficult to replace with a number of severe weaknesses that simply don't exist in the other two deathballs because P and Z casters are ten times stronger than their Terran equivalents. | ||
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
Not really its the most objectively wrong opinion i have ever heard in my life. I didn't want to actually have to debate with you because I honestly thought you were trolling. Let's take a look at the reactor hellion expand. -Zergs start spreading creep -Terrans find it hard to put pressure on after the standard 2 rax at the time did damage unless you followed it up with a 4 rax all in -Some guy made the reaction hellion build to contain creep spread and deny the third until tons of roaches or mutas came out -Zergs make more queens to push back hellions to let creep not be contained and to take a faster third -Terrans make 6 hellions instead of 4 -Lots of zergs do roach all ins because they know with a reaction hellion expand its hard to hold -Terrans go banshees to counter the all in if it comes and to also deny the third and contain the creep even longer -Zergs make even more queens -Terrans start making a raven with their 2 banshees for PDD to let them get some free kills and deny the third even longer Please don't post dumb random shit like; -xD 2 rax l0l imba as fuq -aww shit nerfed xD must find another thing Just please dont. | ||
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DougJDempsey
747 Posts
On June 07 2012 18:04 Kaitokid wrote: well in Korea every race has one strong and one bad matchup... its not just Terran. internationally its the same except Protoss has under 50 win% against both races. I'd say balance looks pretty good. tvp 49,3% - 50,7% tvz 45,1% - 54,9% zvp 52,5% - 47,5% meaning protoss is 50.7% against terran. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
-Mech+Air in TvZ was viable months ago but I never saw it become popular because it was just too easy to do the same stuff every single game. Whatever. Every single month we play roulette with which group is going to feel justified whining until the next month. | ||
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