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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On June 07 2012 18:06 mEtRoSG wrote: are you capable of reading graphs? even on international lvl terran has the lowest winrate and is under 50% vs p and unter 45% vs z Terran has higher winrate than Protoss on international according to the graph... | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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mEtRoSG
Germany192 Posts
On June 07 2012 18:13 Kaitokid wrote: Terran has higher winrate than Protoss on international according to the graph... no they havent? again I ask you are u capable of reading graphs  I explain, terran is the blue thingy on te graph, the blue thingy is below the green thingy, and the green thingy is for protoss if the blue thingy is below the green thingy, terran is having a worse time if the red thing is above the green thingy which is above the blue thingy overall, terran is having a baaad time User was warned for this post | ||
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
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Sambobly
Australia241 Posts
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DerFreemind
Germany45 Posts
 The Problem with the new Queenrage is, that zerg is now relativ safe with 4 queen opening. Therefore they have ALOT of energie for creep. If the Creep is at 12 min at the first watch tower, you are in big troube. All you terran pushes are deleayed big time, so Zerg has enough time to react accordingly. So i am as a Terran player are forced to play a long macrogame where zerg has a big advantage by design. Than there are the maps which are getting bigger and bigger, nice even more time for zerg to prepare! I would like to see Blizzard to nerf the duration time of creep after i kill the tumor, i takes forever....or most of the time the zerg just puts a new tumor and the creep stays at it is... | ||
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
At least zerg don't complain anymore about having no way to scout..... | ||
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
On June 07 2012 18:15 mEtRoSG wrote: no they havent? again I ask you are u capable of reading graphs I explain, terran is the blue thingy on te graph, the blue thingy is below the green thingy, and the green thingy is for protoss if the blue thingy is below the green thingy, terran is having a worse time if the red thing is above the green thingy which is above the blue thingy overall, terran is having a baaad time Didn't you bitch about balance on your Streams and even in online Tournaments even when the blue thingy was way over the red thingy? Omg Korean Zerg has a higher winrate then Korean Terra 1 out of 12 Months we just need November back when the Matchup was considered balanced. Give it a few Months and it will even out... if not there is still the nerfbat. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
And IMO the fact that unscoutable all-ins and hellions were making up 20% of a win rate in korea should be vindication that they deserved to be toned down, look elsewhere for where to nerf instead of just reverting those changes. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
TvP is hard, but it's doable. TvZ feels just impossible, except: 1) if the zerg allins (I can hold ezpz) 2) if I allin and the zerg fucks up Zerg is: - a race that can defend easy early-mid game (sorry guys, but every 2 base agression from terran gets owned) - a race that has a larvae mechanic that allows for the fastest army remake in the game and that allows for the fastest economy (drones) - a race that has the strongest lategame composition (broodlord + infestor) They have the 3 things needed to be the strongest. Terran is: - a race that is the strongest early-mid game, but after some nerfs to the terran and some buffs to the zerg, this strength is gone. - the slowest "remake army race" - a race that has the weakest lategame composition Can anyone explain why not a single zerg can help with a counter to broodlord infestor? I asked many zergs, from master to grandmaster. The best advice I got is: "kill me before I make broodlords" and "mass drop". | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
give it 1 or 2 months to judge the matchup, atm terrans use the same builds as prepatch (1 rax cc into hellions), give them some time to adjust | ||
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dD3s
Germany130 Posts
Also, due to the way the math works out we will almost never see ratios of 50:50; we expect a variance of +/- 5% in these results. So, if a win/loss ratio is approximately 55%:45%, this would indicate that the matchup is well balanced. It is only after win/loss ratios exceed 60%:40% that there is an indication that a potential imbalance might exist. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Severian
Australia2052 Posts
On June 07 2012 18:13 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Now the lazy foreigners pro playing P/Z have a good shot at beating the likes of MKP, MVP, MMA. LOL. Didn't Goody just knock MMA out of MLG? | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
Wish I actually had time to play SC2 right now so I could have all this fun with Zerg >.< | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
TvZ was perfectly balanced until they did that. | ||
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
There was a time when Mutas were "overpowered", before that Infestors, and they got nerfed, of Protoss got buffed with Phoenix range, so Zergs thought they would just skip the midgame by maxing on Roaches once, and then tech up straight to Broodlord-Infestor. Protosses were abusing this style with good timings just before the Broods pop out, and a bit of Warp Prism action against the now immobile Zerg army. Protosses got the edge in this game structure and now, as in look at recent GSTL matches, Zergs have restarted using a more midgame oriented gameplan, like Muta play. You know, Lair tech is not just for Roach Speed! So far this month I think Zerg has the better winrate, let's see how Protoss adjusts. @DerFreemind Congratulations on solving TvP lategame! Tell us more! The whole issue with balance whining in this matchup is that the numbers look good but the games are bad, with either the Protoss making a mistake and losing <15min, or getting to lategame and winning invariably. Terran is "imba" midgame and Protoss in lategame, if you like, and this is not a balanced matchup. This state of affairs can not continue indefinitely. It is possible that Protoss will figure out how to defend consistently, or maps will be tailored towards a later game(as they have in fact) and you will see PvT figures about 60% as well. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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