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It's really amazing how much the community puts up with. If half of this was directed at ACTIVISION BLIZZARD, they might actually care, but go ahead, use this one guy to release your anger.
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On June 07 2012 04:43 Marti wrote:
It's really amazing how much the community puts up with. If half of this was directed at ACTIVISION BLIZZARD, they might actually care, but go ahead, use this one guy to release your anger.
Well said sir.
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On June 07 2012 04:40 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote:
Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol. Absolute rubbish. The people writing SC2 hacks are not superior to any other competent programmer. And experiences programmers are no wasting their time writing SC2 hacks. If you spend even 10 minutes researching who created the best known SC2 hacks you will see that they are just students (as of the last time I checked, less than six months ago). There are at least a couple of very experienced programmers at Blizzard who could implement the best possible solutions if they were put to work on it. You may argue that the best possible solutions would not be good enough (Blizzard cannot be too invasive...damn web hippies), but any solution would be better than what we currently have.
I would do more research.....As blizzard does not have a answer to certain coders (wont name them) Who prove again and agian they are more knowlegeable on the subject. As a programmer myself...I know exactly what I'm talking about, and if you had any clue the amount of money and resources and time it takes to even counter hacks (which are just reversed eng the entire game) you would understand.... Blizzard does not have a magic team they can randomly create solutions to counter hacks. No company does, and a company has to think long term rather then spending money on short term soultuons (like updateing warden)
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Sorry. But this 1 guy can affect 100's and 1000's of people.
Switch your brain on.
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So... just what the e-sport (gaming) scene needs, to be related to more Violence and intolerance news (which there will be if you guys do anything about it, be it harassing, threatening him, or straight up beating him up).
I can already see the news headliners on fox: “War Games Competition participants gang on poor little boy”.
Be smart, inform blizzard and stay out of it. If he hacked his way into the WCS it’s not his fault, but blizzard for allowing it. Let blizzard know what the issue is, and that you’re unhappy as you’ve done when you guys dislike anything else up to now.
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On June 07 2012 02:57 toiletCAT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 02:55 BoZiffer wrote:On June 07 2012 02:53 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 02:44 mememolly wrote:On June 07 2012 02:25 roym899 wrote:On June 07 2012 01:53 Chakoi wrote:On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote:
Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same. Because it's obvious he is hacking.. Why would anyone be defending him? Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too? btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game... I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that. It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no? My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. P eople like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
You do realise you joined today?
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Wow, way to fail Blizzard. I hope this guy stays home.
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On June 07 2012 04:59 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 02:57 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 02:55 BoZiffer wrote:On June 07 2012 02:53 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 02:44 mememolly wrote:On June 07 2012 02:25 roym899 wrote:On June 07 2012 01:53 Chakoi wrote:On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote:
Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same. Because it's obvious he is hacking.. Why would anyone be defending him? Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too? btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game... I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that. It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no? My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. P eople like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately. You do realise you joined today?
You can view Teamliquid without an account.
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Funny how he kept his cb energy hgih the whole game  I guess this is the new trend in GM, or am I missing something?
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On June 07 2012 04:48 silentdecay01 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 04:40 hzflank wrote:On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote:
Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol. Absolute rubbish. The people writing SC2 hacks are not superior to any other competent programmer. And experiences programmers are no wasting their time writing SC2 hacks. If you spend even 10 minutes researching who created the best known SC2 hacks you will see that they are just students (as of the last time I checked, less than six months ago). There are at least a couple of very experienced programmers at Blizzard who could implement the best possible solutions if they were put to work on it. You may argue that the best possible solutions would not be good enough (Blizzard cannot be too invasive...damn web hippies), but any solution would be better than what we currently have. As a programmer myself...soultuons updateing
Really, the guy who created the most popular maphack (includes blink hack etc etc) is still in college. I just checked again, and it is the same guy.
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On June 07 2012 05:01 xTrim wrote:Funny how he kept his cb energy hgih the whole game I guess this is the new trend in GM, or am I missing something?
Well the maphack pack doesnt include CB mod so yeah! :D
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On June 07 2012 05:00 toiletCAT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 04:59 revel8 wrote:On June 07 2012 02:57 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 02:55 BoZiffer wrote:On June 07 2012 02:53 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 02:44 mememolly wrote:On June 07 2012 02:25 roym899 wrote:On June 07 2012 01:53 Chakoi wrote:On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote:
Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same. Because it's obvious he is hacking.. Why would anyone be defending him? Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too? btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game... I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that. It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no? My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. P eople like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately. You do realise you joined today? You can view Teamliquid without an account.
Respectfully, as a newcomer (who joined today) you should not be criticising the community or chastising it. It's incredibly rude.
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On June 07 2012 05:07 Madiano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:01 xTrim wrote:Funny how he kept his cb energy hgih the whole game I guess this is the new trend in GM, or am I missing something? Well the maphack pack doesnt include CB mod so yeah! :D
Yes, it does.
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On June 07 2012 05:10 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:00 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 04:59 revel8 wrote:On June 07 2012 02:57 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 02:55 BoZiffer wrote:On June 07 2012 02:53 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 02:44 mememolly wrote:On June 07 2012 02:25 roym899 wrote:On June 07 2012 01:53 Chakoi wrote:On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote:
Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same. Because it's obvious he is hacking.. Why would anyone be defending him? Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too? btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game... I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that. It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no? My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. P eople like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately. You do realise you joined today? You can view Teamliquid without an account. Respectfully, as a newcomer (who joined today) you should not be criticising the community or chastising it. It's incredibly rude.
Opinion noted, now let's not get into irrelevant topics, shall we?
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On June 07 2012 03:21 toiletCAT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 03:11 zoid wrote:
That blink hacks... Only funny thing is the random stalker blinking out into the roaches in game 2 (probably becasue the badly coded blinkhack couldn't find space to blink away from the incoming fire due to his army being in the way.). Well, Blizzard, maybe it is time you hire a team of really talented programmers to dedicate themselves 100% time on anti hack... I actually don't think you can code a hack to recognize incoming fire. I mean, don't fool yourself, let alone the fact that someone managed to code auto-recognization of low health and then trigger an event at the same time is beyond my knowledge of coding. It's like really, really sophisticated and the beginning of a new, more advanced era of hacking, I'm afraid.
Well the code for recognzing incoming fire must already exist because the PDD exists. It doesn't seem that far fetched to be put into a hack, although I doubt such sophistcated hacks exist....yet.
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I really hope CatZ, Drewbie and Illusion and all the other guys get together again have a witch hunt about this
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On June 07 2012 05:14 Johnnysc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 03:21 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 03:11 zoid wrote:
That blink hacks... Only funny thing is the random stalker blinking out into the roaches in game 2 (probably becasue the badly coded blinkhack couldn't find space to blink away from the incoming fire due to his army being in the way.). Well, Blizzard, maybe it is time you hire a team of really talented programmers to dedicate themselves 100% time on anti hack... I actually don't think you can code a hack to recognize incoming fire. I mean, don't fool yourself, let alone the fact that someone managed to code auto-recognization of low health and then trigger an event at the same time is beyond my knowledge of coding. It's like really, really sophisticated and the beginning of a new, more advanced era of hacking, I'm afraid. Well the code for recognzing incoming fire must already exist because the PDD exists. It doesn't seem that far fetched to be put into a hack, although I doubt such sophistcated hacks exist....yet.
Yeah, but we're talking about a code that first has to recognize a game, then recognize a specific unit, then recognize a specific action, then recognize which angle the specific action is coming from. That is way beyond my understanding, but I'm sure it's possible, haha.
I really hope CatZ, Drewbie and Illusion and all the other guys get together again have a witch hunt about this
Well, this case has been pretty much closed, already. The guy is hacking, it's concluded because of the auto-Blink Stalker function. Now we're just chilling about it.
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Haha wow guys its not about hackers being superior or inferior programmers.
Anti hacking detection is reactive by its very nature, Blizzard will always be one step behind the latest hacks. It will always be a game of cat and mouse where hackers will release a hack, it will get used, Blizzard will react. They could react more quickly but they have always made their policy clear, they ban in waves to discourage people to use hacks and to look good when they announce they banned 10 million hackers\botters\etc....
As long as the game is popular and as long as there is a market for people who want to use this hacks hacks will never go away. Don't even pretend there is a permanent solution for this, and please stop pretending as if iccup was hack free because it wasn't.
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On June 07 2012 04:35 toiletCAT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 04:30 jeeeeohn wrote:On June 07 2012 04:19 mememolly wrote:On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote:
ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose. zero problem? he is taking a plane seat and a hotel from an honest player Guess what: that's Blizzard's problem, not ours. THEY'RE spending the money. THEY get to decide who to send and who not to send. Nothing we say is going to make a difference. No amount of heckling, keyboard warrior rage, BM, or threats of physical violence is going to change the fact that Blizzard pays the fucking bills. Let me tell you how this is going to go down:1. Zack arrives at the tournament 2. Zack gets beaten 3. Zack leaves the tournament How does that effect ANYONE else other than Zack and Blizzard? This hypothetical "honest player" doesn't exist, because he / she wasn't chosen. Most of us are honest players. That doesn't mean jack shit. Gee, I hope nobody gets hurt. Nerdbrawl!
I'd pull for a plane ticket to watch the Nerdbrawl though... maybe a live stream with BitterDam commentary? Would inevitably just wind up with a bunch of stretched t-shirts, broken glasses frames, and messed up greasy hair.
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