EDIT: Guys, let's keep this clean. No threats of physical violence or anything like that--- yes, we all hate hackers but there's no need to suggest something so drastic.
EDIT #2: It's been confirmed that "Zack" will no longer be competing at WCS. He withdrew from the competition. No word on whether or not he will be banned... but most importantly, as long as he's not competing we should still be a bit happy.
What does he receive? A free ticket + hotel reservation (Thursday morning until Monday morning...) that's covered at MLG Anaheim. So the question is... why is Blizzard inviting someone who uses a maphack? What does this say about their ability to prevent cheaters/hackers from running rampant from online tournaments with prize pools?
Please read everything before commenting something silly like, "omg! not another of these threads" or, "innocent until proven guilty". We'll get to that.
* Disclaimer: I am not a professional caster, nor did I spend time writing/thinking out what to say. I simply watched the replays one time, and then recorded my thoughts on the games and key parts where I thought indicated suspicious play/obvious maphacking parts.
...but really, all you need to do is watch the replays and you should be able to see why. Seriously, just watch the replays.
The things you should notice: -Build openers -Blind countering builds -Re-positioning of units to intercept particular units/armies in both games -Camera stays on his base the majority of the game, and also "locked' for a particular time frame in certain areas -HUGE lack of scouting
But if that's not enough to prove it... how about: -APM Skyrocketing to 550~ish in battles. Please show me replays of all the high level pros in SC2 that get this high.
Or better yet, 20~ish stalkers all selected, yet one by one they are blinked back individually (apm goes above 350+++). For this example, refer to Replay #2 @ around 20 or so minutes when the Zerg tries to counter the 3rd while HRGZack is killing his bases off.
Now why is this a big deal? Well, for those of you saying, "who cares, he'll be knocked out first round", or, "well if there was anyone else who didn't qualify that is "deserving" it's not like they deserve to be there since they'll probably just lose first round"--- that's not the point. The point is someone cheating the system is getting freebies to an event plenty of other players work hard to attend. Believe me, there are still plenty of players who did not qualify who do honestly probably deserve to go. Players who worked hard to attain GM/High Masters+.
Worst of all, Blizzard is paying for his expenses.
Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
This is one of those things where there is no debate. I asked everyone to be skeptical with the Spades thing, but if his stalkers are blinking back while he has all of them selected, there is no argument or excuse, as the blink hack is well known. See, THIS is the kind of EVIDENCE that people need to provide to bust someone. This guy can't say anything to dispute this, because he could not possibly have done that if he wasn't hacking. Good thread, good evidence. A guy who signed up the day before to TL posting a thread full of speculation at most is not the way to do it ("drolets). This is evidence. That was random speculation.
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
This is just horrible. I hope you all make him have his time "pleasant" and make him feel "welcome" It's really bad for blizzard that they didn't make this public of who was to qualify through "ladder". Or else this information would've gotten leaked a long time before so they can change their decision.
While I know this is more than likely to cause an absolute shitstorm, having watched the Youtube videos at least there's explanation as to the accusation.
I hope he goes into this and just owns everyone so hard. That would just make my day. SC2 really is going main stream. Pro players use roids nerds hack. Shit Barry Bonds got popped for juicing when he shattered the home run record. Barry Bonds is still the fucking man.
The MLG site says he's not playing in the actual MLG tournament... why not? Personally I would be surprised if he actually showed up. Hackers usually don't.
Come on guys, if he goes to WCS pls, beat the shit out of him, make him feel he is not welcome by the community. Let him be an example of what future cheaters deserve
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
hmm yea but dicks like him mocking may make him feel more welcomed as hes getting attention. What should be done is old school shunning if you can get everyone on board wherever he goes at the event or when he tries to interact with anyone just walk away without saying a word hah
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
ha, I will be there and I will be sure to mock him. In fact my wife is going too (not into sc2 but just goes with me cuz she is sweet) and I will get her to mock him too :D
someone should pm mlgadam with this at the very least (not sure on name spelling)
I love how he just blindly throws down 5 cannons knowing a roach timing is coming. Def maphacks.
Edit: Went back and watched the blink stalker hack. I love the 350ish apm blinking individual stalkers WHILE having 20+ targeted. Amazing... I wish I was that good = /
With esports growing and so much money about to be put into the game, blizzard needs to hire a few representatives to be full-time account banners...it's really not that hard to do.
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
hmm yea but dicks like him mocking may make him feel more welcomed as hes getting attention. What should be done is old school shunning if you can get everyone on board wherever he goes at the event or when he tries to interact with anyone just walk away without saying a word hah
I don't understand. Every day in society I see people who couldn't care less about other people. Couldn't care less about his neighbor the unemployed, the disabled, even the thief. Somebody shouts "help" and people pretend they don't hear. Boss threatens them with illegal unpaid overtime and they nod silently.
But now I see so much enthusiasm about a hacker across the ocean playing a RTS. How come I see so much interest to set things right. Why isn't this attitude reflected even as a small percentage in every day living?
I really wonder about this. You never hear about similar things like this in the "real world". It's all about mind your own business. I'm genuinely puzzled. Is it the safety of the internet? What is it?
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
With the recent drama, it has become apparent how ridiculously easy and prevalent hacking is in SC2...
If this guy shows up, please don't verbally or physically abuse this guy. He's still a human being. Chances are, he probably won't show up now that this thread has been posted.
If he does, just ignore the crap out of him and make it obvious that he's not welcomed.
On June 06 2012 08:12 lulutheking wrote: Come on guys, if he goes to WCS pls, beat the shit out of him, make him feel he is not welcome by the community. Let him be an example of what future cheaters deserve
i agree with this you guys should kick his ass !
This is unacceptable. Violence is never the answer.
On June 06 2012 08:12 lulutheking wrote: Come on guys, if he goes to WCS pls, beat the shit out of him, make him feel he is not welcome by the community. Let him be an example of what future cheaters deserve
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
Oh my, Geoff leading the charge with torches and pitchforks? Now this is the general this community was waiting to see
I disagree with nothing of course, the idea is reasonable and justifiable if blizzard is offering no alternatives. As long as no actual lynching occurs.
Something like this might actually get Blizzard to notice the serious flaws their Warden protection has. If the evidence is absolutely conclusive (haven't watched replays) get media gaming sites involved on this news piece.
In any case, I doubt he will do very well as WCS tends to be fairly good players and this guy doesn't know how to scout or micro an army, may be difficult
EDIT: Obvious maphack/information hack, obvious blink hack. This one's done. NEXT CASE.
I don't understand. Every day in society I see people who couldn't care less about other people. Couldn't care less about his neighbor the unemployed, the disabled, even the thief. Somebody shouts "help" and people pretend they don't hear. Boss threatens them with illegal unpaid overtime and they nod silently.
But now I see so much enthusiasm about a hacker across the ocean playing a RTS. How come I see so much interest to set things right. Why isn't this attitude reflected even as a small percentage in every day living?
I really wonder about this. You never hear about similar things like this in the "real world". It's all about mind your own business. I'm genuinely puzzled. Is it the safety of the internet? What is it?
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That's got to be the worst argument I've ever heard. We should ignore somebody cheating and receiving a prize (free ticket + hotel) worth hundreds of dollars handed to him because there are bigger problems in the world?
Ignoring this problem isn't going to make other problems go away. FAIL logic is FAIL.
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
100% agree. People like him should be shunned from the community and never let back in again.
I don't understand. Every day in society I see people who couldn't care less about other people. Couldn't care less about his neighbor the unemployed, the disabled, even the thief. Somebody shouts "help" and people pretend they don't hear. Boss threatens them with illegal unpaid overtime and they nod silently.
But now I see so much enthusiasm about a hacker across the ocean playing a RTS. How come I see so much interest to set things right. Why isn't this attitude reflected even as a small percentage in every day living?
I really wonder about this. You never hear about similar things like this in the "real world". It's all about mind your own business. I'm genuinely puzzled. Is it the safety of the internet? What is it?
wtf this isnt the same thing at all. we're trying to stop someone who is doing somethign wrong already (hacking and then getting a paid ticket from blizzard) not helping someone we know nothing about.
I don't understand. Every day in society I see people who couldn't care less about other people. Couldn't care less about his neighbor the unemployed, the disabled, even the thief. Somebody shouts "help" and people pretend they don't hear. Boss threatens them with illegal unpaid overtime and they nod silently.
But now I see so much enthusiasm about a hacker across the ocean playing a RTS. How come I see so much interest to set things right. Why isn't this attitude reflected even as a small percentage in every day living?
I really wonder about this. You never hear about similar things like this in the "real world". It's all about mind your own business. I'm genuinely puzzled. Is it the safety of the internet? What is it?
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That's got to be the worst argument I've ever heard. We should ignore somebody cheating and receiving a prize (free ticket + hotel) worth hundreds of dollars handed to him because there are bigger problems in the world?
Ignoring this problem isn't going to make other problems go away. FAIL logic is FAIL.
Nah, I'm a bad boy and I just want to see the world burn.
why in the world would anyone choose to use ladder results when even there is even the existence of maphacks ... blizzard ladder has always been polluted with maphackers since launch. and especially now with all these recent threads?! very bad management by the wcs/blizz people.
.... Just ...... Man. I have nothing to say. God. Damn that guy for hacking. And somewhat sorry to his opponentt that played him as that trash took their opportunity to earn some money.
Blizzard should just pick someone else for his spot. It is bad for Blizzard's reputation of trying to create a competitive e-sports scene when they fly in known hackers.
He better hope i dont see him. There are players that drop out of school and dont work just to try and become pro and this guy decides to take it away from a hardworking soul just for kicks and giggles because we all know he aint getting anywhere near the finals. Come get some.
On June 06 2012 08:23 a176 wrote: why in the world would anyone choose to use ladder results when even there is even the existence of maphacks ... blizzard ladder has always been polluted with maphackers since launch. and especially now with all these recent threads?! very bad management by the wcs/blizz people.
What are you going to do? Use offline qualifiers? What prevents people from using maphacks in a tournament like Playhem?
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
sorry incontrol, that sounds to much like a threat. if u want to boo the guy endlessly on stage or something then thats fine, but anything more than that would just start unnecessary conflict. try not to get up in the dudes face and verbally assault him.
Meh, I don´t condone harassing people IRL over stuff like this. Better report him to Blizzard instead of saying :¨Hey guys go harass him because he is a dirty maphacker!¨
Thankfully, I don't make a living on SC2 but man, if I did, this would be incredibly maddening. If this is as rampant as it COULD be (or maybe is).... I mean for most of us this is just a recreational pastime but for someone paying the rents with money from placing and winning, let alone the overall credibility of the sport, this is bad stuff.
But if that's not enough to prove it... how about: -APM Skyrocketing to 550~ish in battles. Please show me replays of all the high level pros in SC2 that get this high.
Liquid'Taeja vs TSL_Hyun, downloadable from this very website.
Not wanna join this discussion, only pointing it out that 550+ is possible on a regular basis. This part of the "proof" can be dismissed.
I don't think this proves he maphacks, I think he could be just extremely good and ahead of the time. I think the 2 pylon opening in PvZ could be the future of the matchup.... oh man, I feel like I'm going to be sick... Yea obvious map hacker. I wanted to try to throw out a differing point of view, but this one is too much.
I watched both of the videos and it really looks like this time there is no doubt about using maphack. But be sure, Blizzard is slow on reacting but they WILL definetly do something about hacking in the future. Alowing hacking this obviously is like shitting on the game they created. As if starcraft isn't frustrating enough by itself.
You guys talking like you're going to do something won't do nothing but whisper probably. This guy doesn't spend all his time trying to get better at a video game so he might stomp you legits into the ground. Or worse, you try to physically do something to him and he's a psycho who might stab/shoot everyone.
He should just go to MLG to watch MLG and no-show on the WCS, as long as he doesn't say who he is nobody will know it's him so he won't get harassed and stuff while being fully paid for by Blizzard.
Well, if he's retarded enough to fly to the place, I'm sure scene will make sure he'll regret it. Not even speaking of physical beatdown, just getting his face as label of hackers of SC2 seems good punishment to start off.
But if that's not enough to prove it... how about: -APM Skyrocketing to 550~ish in battles. Please show me replays of all the high level pros in SC2 that get this high.
Liquid'Taeja vs TSL_Hyun, downloadable from this very website.
Not wanna join this discussion, only pointing it out that 550+ is possible on a regular basis. This part of the "proof" can be dismissed.
No this part can't be dismissed because if you look he has 500 apm microing blink stalkers individually while having all of them targeted.
Honestly? If I were him i'd take the free trip. Then just go to Disneyland or something. It'd be ashamed and embarrassed to even set foot in the MLG Anaheim Convention Center haha.
On June 06 2012 08:23 a176 wrote: why in the world would anyone choose to use ladder results when even there is even the existence of maphacks ... blizzard ladder has always been polluted with maphackers since launch. and especially now with all these recent threads?! very bad management by the wcs/blizz people.
What are you going to do? Use offline qualifiers? What prevents people from using maphacks in a tournament like Playhem?
qualifying from other tournaments, at least offer another layer of scrutiny. taking directly from ladder, you are going on nothing but a number, their ladder rank.
Sure he's wasting money with the hotel and ticket but he's going to get his ass owned in the tournament, and he sure as hell won't be using his hacks, would be far to easy to notice, if he feels like he wants to get humiliated he can feel free to do it, however this needs to be monitored/have more done about it, having hackers flown out to events is a waste of money,time, and entertainment(although beatdowns are sometimes fun to watch) for the audience.
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
But if that's not enough to prove it... how about: -APM Skyrocketing to 550~ish in battles. Please show me replays of all the high level pros in SC2 that get this high.
Liquid'Taeja vs TSL_Hyun, downloadable from this very website.
Not wanna join this discussion, only pointing it out that 550+ is possible on a regular basis. This part of the "proof" can be dismissed.
No this part can't be dismissed because if you look he has 500 apm microing blink stalkers individually while having all of them targeted.
That's another part.. not qualified to comment on that
I emailed parents@mlgpro.com about the situation and tweeted to sundance, MLG, shibby, and puckket. Hopefully they see it. Everyone else should do the same. I recommended Luckyfool as he was a runner up in a qualifier, however, even if he is not a replacement the guy that hacks definitely should NOT be going to this event. It's absurd. My email, feel free to copy/paste and send one to them as well. In fact, I encourage you to do so. + Show Spoiler +
I am not attending MLG Anaheim, however, I am friends with many players who are. NrGLuckyfool is a player who was a runner up for a WCS qualifier event and was disqualified due to a disconnect. This player deserves the chance to play in WCS much more than a hacker.
I strongly recommend that Luckyfool is contacted and reached out to because it's absurd that Blizzard, and MLG together would be supporting a known hacker.
Luckyfool deserves his chance in this tournament and hopefully you can give it to him.
On June 06 2012 08:06 Masvidal wrote: This is one of those things where there is no debate. I asked everyone to be skeptical with the Spades thing, but if his stalkers are blinking back while he has all of them selected, there is no argument or excuse, as the blink hack is well known. See, THIS is the kind of EVIDENCE that people need to provide to bust someone. This guy can't say anything to dispute this, because he could not possibly have done that if he wasn't hacking. Good thread, good evidence. A guy who signed up the day before to TL posting a thread full of speculation at most is not the way to do it ("drolets). This is evidence. That was random speculation.
You are completely wrong. Basically if we had it your way anyone that uses the production tab hack is beyond reproach an unbustable.
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
sorry incontrol, that sounds to much like a threat. if u want to boo the guy endlessly on stage or something then thats fine, but anything more than that would just start unnecessary conflict. try not to get up in the dudes face and verbally assault him.
On June 06 2012 08:49 l_Kyo_l wrote: I emailed parents@mlgpro.com about the situation and tweeted to sundance, MLG, shibby, and puckket. Hopefully they see it. Everyone else should do the same. I recommended Luckyfool as he was a runner up in a qualifier, however, even if he is not a replacement the guy that hacks definitely should NOT be going to this event. It's absurd. My email, feel free to copy/paste and send one to them as well. In fact, I encourage you to do so. + Show Spoiler +
I am not attending MLG Anaheim, however, I am friends with many players who are. NrGLuckyfool is a player who was a runner up for a WCS qualifier event and was disqualified due to a disconnect. This player deserves the chance to play in WCS much more than a hacker.
I strongly recommend that Luckyfool is contacted and reached out to because it's absurd that Blizzard, and MLG together would be supporting a known hacker.
Luckyfool deserves his chance in this tournament and hopefully you can give it to him.
The only fair way to decide who gets a slot, if one is made available, is by holding another tournament. There were plenty of runners up, not just LuckyFool, and I personally know a few runners up who will also be attending Anaheim. Not that I don't think LuckyFool is a good player, but he shouldn't be simply handed the qualification slot. There should be a tournament of runners up, if anything.
What a week for maphacks. I hope this guy gets stomped at MLG though, someone who deserves to be there will crush him in his first game I'm sure. I hope he gets replaced before he gets to California.
I'm thinking Blizzard have to consider reworking some of the ground concepts of the SC2 engine (i.e. the pathing algorithm, as it is, requires full map information on the client side, which can be hacked from memory). Basically, some kind of heavy memory encryption protection or/and making the client of a 1v1 player not get full information... I hope we'll see a more serious discussion on this matter in the next days in a dedicated thread here. Things are getting ridiculously out of hand.
p.s. Actually what I just said doesn't even relate to blink micro cheating... oh well. Just shows how tough the problem is.
I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this, as I haven't read the whole thread, but at 9:48ish, he zooms his camera in, and doesn't realize it/zoom out till 11:06 ish of the second replay (tal'darim). Is this a possible side effect of the maphack? Maybe a cause of binding a feature of the maphack to the scroll wheel?
I wouldn't want to beat him up or anything but... I would harp on every single little mistake he makes during MLG. And I would make sure my words are loud and clear
On June 06 2012 08:49 l_Kyo_l wrote: I emailed parents@mlgpro.com about the situation and tweeted to sundance, MLG, shibby, and puckket. Hopefully they see it. Everyone else should do the same. I recommended Luckyfool as he was a runner up in a qualifier, however, even if he is not a replacement the guy that hacks definitely should NOT be going to this event. It's absurd. My email, feel free to copy/paste and send one to them as well. In fact, I encourage you to do so. + Show Spoiler +
I am not attending MLG Anaheim, however, I am friends with many players who are. NrGLuckyfool is a player who was a runner up for a WCS qualifier event and was disqualified due to a disconnect. This player deserves the chance to play in WCS much more than a hacker.
I strongly recommend that Luckyfool is contacted and reached out to because it's absurd that Blizzard, and MLG together would be supporting a known hacker.
Luckyfool deserves his chance in this tournament and hopefully you can give it to him.
The only fair way to decide who gets a slot, if one is made available, is by holding another tournament. There were plenty of runners up, not just LuckyFool, and I personally know a few runners up who will also be attending Anaheim. Not that I don't think LuckyFool is a good player, but he shouldn't be simply handed the qualification slot. There should be a tournament of runners up, if anything.
The point was more, anyone in general should be given the spot not just let a hacker get away with it "because it's booked". I'm sure they could do it by MLG seeds or something logical, but yeah.. ><
Tickets may already be booked and the money wasted, but the solution seems straightforward: 1) Let him fly out. 2) Cancel his hotel room. 3) Cancel his return flight. 4) Blacklist him from the Anaheim convention center. 5) Blacklist his ip on battlenet.
EDIT: At the very least his flight and hotel should be cancelled, and if no replacement can be found for the tournament a walkover is much preferable to rewarding hackers.
But if that's not enough to prove it... how about: -APM Skyrocketing to 550~ish in battles. Please show me replays of all the high level pros in SC2 that get this high.
Liquid'Taeja vs TSL_Hyun, downloadable from this very website.
Not wanna join this discussion, only pointing it out that 550+ is possible on a regular basis. This part of the "proof" can be dismissed.
On June 06 2012 08:58 rasnj wrote: Tickets may already be booked and the money wasted, but the solution seems straightforward: 1) Let him fly out. 2) Cancel his hotel room. 3) Cancel his return flight. 4) Blacklist him from the Anaheim convention center. 5) Blacklist his ip on battlenet.
Blizzard does not blacklist IPs, they will only blacklist IPs were xxx amount of people are trying to connect off the one. So Chinese bots that run off VPNs, and some LANS that haven't reported to blizzard first.
Your replays suck, because you control the camera the whole time. Comment where you want, and let us see his control. Stopping move the camera all the time.
dude wtf this is getting ridiculous all those people that denying spades and this guy that there is not enough evidence stfu, this is absolutely retarded ban the fucker for life also petition blizzard to make a better anti-hack this is disgusting
On June 06 2012 09:02 Manwich wrote: Your replays suck, because you control the camera the whole time. Comment where you want, and let us see his control. Stopping move the camera all the time.
Just download the replays and watch them by yourself.
I don't understand. Every day in society I see people who couldn't care less about other people. Couldn't care less about his neighbor the unemployed, the disabled, even the thief. Somebody shouts "help" and people pretend they don't hear. Boss threatens them with illegal unpaid overtime and they nod silently.
But now I see so much enthusiasm about a hacker across the ocean playing a RTS. How come I see so much interest to set things right. Why isn't this attitude reflected even as a small percentage in every day living?
I really wonder about this. You never hear about similar things like this in the "real world". It's all about mind your own business. I'm genuinely puzzled. Is it the safety of the internet? What is it?
Colleges and Universities instantly expel people who are caught cheating/plagiarizing. Even in high school there is 0 tolerance for people who do that. I remember some kid got an F overall in a foreign language class for using an online translator to translate 2 sentences out of an entire page. There are a tremendous amount of laws set up in almost every country to fight against fraud. In other words, the society does not tolerate people who cheat to get things without putting in the actual work required.
Sure it's really hard for everyone to care for everyone else especially when its hard to sympathize with people who don't share a lot of same experiences as you. The OP is a rather talented terran player who actually put in effort to get to where he is. So it makes a lot of sense that he can sympathize with other players who have worked just as hard as he has, getting screwed out of something they deserve, by some bm trash hacker.
And how about you? You are obviously going out of your way to express your negativity towards the OP most likely cause you can't sympathize with how he feels more passionate about this issue than something else. So how does that make you any different? I'm genuinely puzzled at your nonsensical post.
On June 06 2012 09:02 Manwich wrote: Your replays suck, because you control the camera the whole time. Comment where you want, and let us see his control. Stopping move the camera all the time.
I have recorded/uploaded two videos on youtube: Replay #1 - + Show Spoiler +
* Disclaimer: I am not a professional caster, nor did I spend time writing/thinking out what to say. I simply watched the replays one time, and then recorded my thoughts on the games and key parts where I thought indicated suspicious play/obvious maphacking parts.
...but really, all you need to do is watch the replays and you should be able to see why. Seriously, just watch the replays.
Seriously tho, this is a big joke. Just goes on to tell you how much of a failure warden is : it's complete shit. Can't believe a cheater is getting a free trip to a LAN, he must be peeing on himself from laughing so much.
It would be great for him to show up and use his hacks at the LAN, then for blizzard to have to explain why they invited him to play and paid for his trip.
all good. he can't do it on lan and hopefully people will make him feel bad (for hacking) take pics and he shall become instant celebrity amongst sc2 community as the new (insert famous hacker name here)
On June 06 2012 09:06 MLG_Wiggin wrote: Hey folks, I don't know who is aware of this yet but I am and I will relay it to my bosses. Thanks.
Also no violence. Seriously. It's not cool, it's not warranted, and its a great way to ruin an entire event.
If you have a lawyer on staff, ask him if/how you could sue the guy in case he took advantage of an invitation that he got through illegitimate means. Lawsuits are modernity's replacement for violence, after all, and it's only fitting that if he does damage the image of SC2 as a legitimate esport then he should pay out of his pocket for it. The chances of it being doable are probably low, though. Not sure. Try asking!
Seriously tho, this is a big joke. Just goes on to tell you how much of a failure warden is : it's complete shit. Can't believe a cheater is getting a free trip to a LAN, he must be peeing on himself from laughing so much.
TL: The place where talking about SC2 is severely cracked down on. We don't want idle speculation about balance... that would be unprofessional and beneath our high community.
What do we like? Ball-busting drama! If we can't spam a sponsor hate every week or ruin someone's career we are not doing our duty. Seriously TL - stop this shit.
Seriously tho, this is a big joke. Just goes on to tell you how much of a failure warden is : it's complete shit. Can't believe a cheater is getting a free trip to a LAN, he must be peeing on himself from laughing so much.
I'm all for dragging him out of the venue like that but wrecking his pc is a tad extreme.
Lmao the second game you uploaded on youtube was simply ridiculous. Take any 1 minute of that game and it's crying maphack. He isn't even trying. Pretty ballsy of him mustering the audacity to show up at a lan.
On June 06 2012 09:18 algorithm0r wrote: TL: The place where talking about SC2 is severely cracked down on. We don't want idle speculation about balance... that would be unprofessional and beneath our high community.
What do we like? Ball-busting drama! If we can't spam a sponsor hate every week or ruin someone's career we are not doing our duty. Seriously TL - stop this shit.
Sigh... Do people even read the topics before saying "FUCKING DRAMA"?
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
I'm bringing fruit and chocolate shakes to throw at him if he comes i hope you guys do the same ill see you guys there. -----------------maybe some gum for the hair. p.s. If anyone has experience throwing food or sticky stuff please write here what is the best to throw for example the most stickiest or more smelly food--- thanks hord.
On June 06 2012 09:18 algorithm0r wrote: TL: The place where talking about SC2 is severely cracked down on. We don't want idle speculation about balance... that would be unprofessional and beneath our high community.
What do we like? Ball-busting drama! If we can't spam a sponsor hate every week or ruin someone's career we are not doing our duty. Seriously TL - stop this shit.
Did you even read what was posted by the OP?
Nobody is creating drama. If that not cheating, what is?
Its not just the fact that he won a flight and hotel room for free, but he "stole" somebody's spot.
I honestly don't care about maphackers on ladder as long as they hold enough integrity to deny special invites over other legitimate players (and don't cheat in events/tournies).
On June 06 2012 09:18 algorithm0r wrote: TL: The place where talking about SC2 is severely cracked down on. We don't want idle speculation about balance... that would be unprofessional and beneath our high community.
What do we like? Ball-busting drama! If we can't spam a sponsor hate every week or ruin someone's career we are not doing our duty. Seriously TL - stop this shit.
He is ruining competition, seems pretty normal to me that TL ruins his "career"
Or better yet, 20~ish stalkers all selected, yet one by one they are blinked back individually (apm goes above 350+++). For this example, refer to Replay #2 @ around 20 or so minutes when the Zerg tries to counter the 3rd while HRGZack is killing his bases off.
This alone is proof enough.
Obviously, he'll get his ass handed to him at a LAN. It's just sad to see this opportunity wasted on him, when there's someone out there who could have legitimately taken his place.
Can someone with some reputation email someone important at blizzard and tell them to rescind it. They are rich, I'm sure they'll send someone else over sponsoring a hacking player who has all his stalkers selected and blinks them individually while still having them all selected.
On June 06 2012 09:18 algorithm0r wrote: TL: The place where talking about SC2 is severely cracked down on. We don't want idle speculation about balance... that would be unprofessional and beneath our high community.
What do we like? Ball-busting drama! If we can't spam a sponsor hate every week or ruin someone's career we are not doing our duty. Seriously TL - stop this shit.
Did you watch the videos or the replays? This is not about drama its about fair play.
Seriously tho, this is a big joke. Just goes on to tell you how much of a failure warden is : it's complete shit. Can't believe a cheater is getting a free trip to a LAN, he must be peeing on himself from laughing so much.
Just so people know... that never happened at million man lan/it's a fake video >< (I know since it's a local event in louisville and it's a much talked about video by newcomers.)
On June 06 2012 09:25 quickclickz wrote: Can someone with some reputation email someone important at blizzard and tell them to rescind it. They are rich, I'm sure they'll send someone else over sponsoring a hacking player who has all his stalkers selected and blinks them individually while still having them all selected.
Even if they don't send someone else, the knowledge for everyone else that a known hacker was still able to get a free hotel and flight is scary. If he gets to still go on his free vacation, how many more people will start using hacks for qualifiers to get that chance? I think it's important that Blizzard cancels the ticket.
Don't need to analyze anything from this sad kid. He selects his warpgates for a second while his stalkers are blinking back. Kid can't even saturate his bases properly, and has 80+ probes on 3 base lolol.
On June 06 2012 08:12 lulutheking wrote: Come on guys, if he goes to WCS pls, beat the shit out of him, make him feel he is not welcome by the community. Let him be an example of what future cheaters deserve
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lol,. a bit much, flaming him and giving him no respect is one thing, physical assault is another lol.
On June 06 2012 09:18 algorithm0r wrote: TL: The place where talking about SC2 is severely cracked down on. We don't want idle speculation about balance... that would be unprofessional and beneath our high community.
What do we like? Ball-busting drama! If we can't spam a sponsor hate every week or ruin someone's career we are not doing our duty. Seriously TL - stop this shit.
grow up, it is our duty as the community to root out the bad aspects.. this is one of them.
Blizzard has no plausible excuses in the matter. They are (or should be) patrolling the borders of our legit play euthopia. The fact that hackers even get to hang out with us online is a disgrace. Blizzard's getting outside help dealing with an ugly situation they themselves facilitated, act on it and remove this loser.
What the fuck. Blizzard needs to cancel his invitation and give it to someone that really worked hard and deserve it.
This is just obvious hacking, he was like pro with his hack since he didn't look at the other guy's bases but that blind counter(more game sense than GSL winner I'd say), that APM spike. 550+ can be archiveable on pro level but at pro level players that can go to 550 are already playing at around 200 when there is no battle, so jumping to 550 is just like 2.5 to 3 times of his normal APM. In this case, this guy play at 50~70, so his APM jump 10+ fucking times, you just can't do that.
But yeah, the select all, blink individually is a damn giveaway. I was like 80% convinced before that part but after that there is no denial this guy is a hacker, not just map hack but multi-hack. I bet if he plays Zerg, his queen will never go above 10 energy since they all inject with godly timing every fucking time!
On June 06 2012 09:39 babybell wrote: And then an incredibly hot 18 year old girl shows up as Zack, and every single nerd forgot about the hax. Would be priceless :D
On June 06 2012 09:38 Pwnzer wrote: Wow I didn't even realize there was such a thing as a blink micro hack! I had to look and find a TL thread about...this is disgusting!
On June 06 2012 09:35 JazzNL wrote: They are (or should be) patrolling the borders of our legit play euthopia.
Haha, I like that image.
The way the game is implemented, they gave themselves a thousand kilometer border of hilly forests to patrol a dark night, and nothing more than mobile-phone torchlights to look with. Is that a blink hacker climbing up that tree??
On June 06 2012 09:18 algorithm0r wrote: TL: The place where talking about SC2 is severely cracked down on. We don't want idle speculation about balance... that would be unprofessional and beneath our high community.
What do we like? Ball-busting drama! If we can't spam a sponsor hate every week or ruin someone's career we are not doing our duty. Seriously TL - stop this shit.
Good thing you didn't read the thread like the sensible posters in here or look at the replays in question, otherwise you wouldn't try and make some sort of ball-busting drama out of this obvious hacking.
On June 06 2012 09:39 babybell wrote: And then an incredibly hot 18 year old girl shows up as Zack, and every single nerd forgot about the hax. Would be priceless :D
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
This.
Maybe this is the point Blizzard will do some sort of action to those that use explots or other hacks. I understand that things are done on "Blizzard" time, but having a found out hacker and person who is konwn for not putting his best foot forward at one of their tournamnets should give them some sort of wake up call. Hopefully Blizzard will be able to do something at the tournament.
I really hope this hacking can come to a level were we have something to implement ways to figure out hackers and punish them accordingly.
This is why "qualifying for ladder" is a stupid reason, it means jack shit. Wouldn't be surprised if there were more maphackers than actual honest players in GM.
On June 06 2012 09:52 sharky246 wrote: If history has taught us anything, it's that blizzard battle.net always gets infested with maphackers over time:
BW battlenet: infested with maphackers, which is why we have iccup WC3 battlenet: infested with maphackers, which is why we have garena
This is so true, its incredible how third parties handle hacks better than blizzard does. Altough ICCup couldn't fix a few bugs in BW so they made them bannable offenses (not sure about garena) .
Seriously tho, this is a big joke. Just goes on to tell you how much of a failure warden is : it's complete shit. Can't believe a cheater is getting a free trip to a LAN, he must be peeing on himself from laughing so much.
Just so people know... that never happened at million man lan/it's a fake video >< (I know since it's a local event in louisville and it's a much talked about video by newcomers.)
Of course its staged up, you even hear someone say "wait for the camera" in the video. It's still hilarious
Good grief. Stop trying to carry out your own emotional vendettas against hackers. Stop threatening people with violence to achieve a social goal. Let the authorities hear it and let there be a fair trial and corresponding consequence. The lack of civility is stunning.
On June 06 2012 09:39 babybell wrote: And then an incredibly hot 18 year old girl shows up as Zack, and every single nerd forgot about the hax. Would be priceless :D
Seriously tho, this is a big joke. Just goes on to tell you how much of a failure warden is : it's complete shit. Can't believe a cheater is getting a free trip to a LAN, he must be peeing on himself from laughing so much.
LOLOLOLOL DAT BE SO FUNNY ,
on a serious note ....just fucking spit on the guy. its no violence thats what i did when a underage kid came i told me i cant touch him cauz hes under 18.
after i spitted , i started dancing like a duck singing go call the cop , go call the cop =p
On June 06 2012 10:00 Soma.bokforlag wrote: innocent until proven guilty.. its all circumstantial.. bla bla bla..
sad to see invites being based on ladderposition should be a better system
The Blink hack isn't circumstantial. It's impossible to blink individual stalkers while selecting a group legitimately. That seems pretty cut and dried to me.
Seriously tho, this is a big joke. Just goes on to tell you how much of a failure warden is : it's complete shit. Can't believe a cheater is getting a free trip to a LAN, he must be peeing on himself from laughing so much.
LOLOLOLOL DAT BE SO FUNNY ,
on a serious note ....just fucking spit on the guy. its no violence thats what i did when a underage kid came i told me i cant touch him cauz hes under 18.
after i spitted , i started dancing like a duck singing go call the cop , go call the cop =p
Coming from a guy that says GG WP each time he looses even when the guy plays like crap, this is surprising Still hilarious tho.
Just wanted to say good job to the thread maker - SniXSnipe for catching this little shit on maphacking. So there are basically two options : First - Blizzard reacts and cancel the invite, which is not something we should assume from their side as they seems to me to never give a single f**k about things going on. or Second - Incontroll basicly knock him out with a one good shot in the face , which is the only thing the guy hacking in starcraft deserve.
Hopefully the second cause it would hurt him much more.
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
ha, I will be there and I will be sure to mock him. In fact my wife is going too (not into sc2 but just goes with me cuz she is sweet) and I will get her to mock him too :D
someone should pm mlgadam with this at the very least (not sure on name spelling)
He's not playing in MLG tourney i think and your wife is a keeper =]
On June 06 2012 10:01 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote: on a serious note ....just fucking spit on the guy. its no violence thats what i did when a underage kid came i told me i cant touch him cauz hes under 18.
after i spitted , i started dancing like a duck singing go call the cop , go call the cop =p
On June 06 2012 09:18 algorithm0r wrote: TL: The place where talking about SC2 is severely cracked down on. We don't want idle speculation about balance... that would be unprofessional and beneath our high community.
What do we like? Ball-busting drama! If we can't spam a sponsor hate every week or ruin someone's career we are not doing our duty. Seriously TL - stop this shit.
Why are you so against hack discussion? There is evidence and you refuse to look at it. Wishing it would disappear doesn't make that happen. Do you have another reason for wanting to not discuss hacks?
On June 06 2012 10:01 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote: on a serious note ....just fucking spit on the guy. its no violence thats what i did when a underage kid came i told me i cant touch him cauz hes under 18.
after i spitted , i started dancing like a duck singing go call the cop , go call the cop =p
Map hacking is VERY prevalent on the ladder these days. I don't want to give search terms but they are not hard to find. It does look like in the last week some effort has been made to take some down but the ones out in the wild now are reported to be "undetected".
Blink hack is obvious but less obvious is the "smart" maphacker. On their forums you see multiple people claiming to be grandmaster and swear they never look into the fog of war because there is no point... you have a production queue or unit queue and you can see the minimap and their resources... Looking into the fog of war would be a tell but as others pointed out not ever looking into the fog of war and having perfect reactions also seems to be a tell.
This was an issue in broodwar. Did Blizzard solve it or did they go with a third party solution? Playing a game where your enemy is cheating is not fun.
I did watch the youtube videos above and blink hack was very obvious. That seems to be even a level above maphacking. You have total vision and a production/unit queue and you know their pop and resources and you need a blink hack? (And he's grandmaster?) seems odd. Is there an official blizzard response on this issue? (Anyone have DB or DK as a friend?, hit em up)
On June 06 2012 10:05 mebeblood wrote: Why do so many people wish for violence? Its not something that would only affect the one guy, it would be a huge problem for MLG too.
Because by wishing for violence this dude won't show up.
On June 06 2012 10:01 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote: on a serious note ....just fucking spit on the guy. its no violence thats what i did when a underage kid came i told me i cant touch him cauz hes under 18.
after i spitted , i started dancing like a duck singing go call the cop , go call the cop =p
yeah, see that's called battery...
it's illegal pretty much... everywhere.
(is not assault)
What if you dance more like a monkey? Is that legal?
TL mods need to start permenantly banning people for threats of violence and irresponsible use of force / assault. This is just getting out of hand. Just because someone else committed a crime and has not yet recieved trial and punishment doesn't give any person the right to say things like this, especially when threats of violence and force are crimes in themselves regardless of how irrelevant or "ironic" the comment is.
On June 06 2012 10:05 mebeblood wrote: Why do so many people wish for violence? Its not something that would only affect the one guy, it would be a huge problem for MLG too.
Because by wishing for violence this dude won't show up.
You know. That's the textbook definition of terrorism right, especially when carried out by an organized body for illegitimate goals in disregard of the rulings of law and personal rights by threat of force. Denying this person the right to show up at the airport of Anaheim is unlawful, MLG / Blizzard / civil court if it arrives there will deal with it, not a place for personal vendettas.
On June 06 2012 10:09 Caihead wrote: TL mods need to start permenantly banning people for threats of violence and irresponsible use of force / assault. This is just getting out of hand. Just because someone else committed a crime and has not yet recieved trial and punishment doesn't give any person the right to say things like this, especially when threats of violence and force are crimes in themselves regardless of how irrelevant or "ironic" the comment is.
Leave it to Blizzard to invite a hacker to a tournament. But this is a non issue, aside from wasting a spot, this guy is going to get wrecked hard in the first round.
I hope he enjoys site seeing in Anaheim cause I'm sure he's just going to use this as a vacation. No way on earth he shows up at a LAN. He'll be sitting in his hotel room LOLing at this thread and Reddit the whole time. Unless something is done by Blizzard of course.
On June 06 2012 10:09 Caihead wrote: TL mods need to start permenantly banning people for threats of violence and irresponsible use of force / assault. This is just getting out of hand. Just because someone else committed a crime and has not yet recieved trial and punishment doesn't give any person the right to say things like this, especially when threats of violence and force are crimes in themselves regardless of how irrelevant or "ironic" the comment is.
And backseat moderating isn't welcome either. They will do whatever they see fit.
More and more I wish one of two things will happen
Either blizzard becomes much more active in preventing hacks and manages to get an anti hack system up ad working in real time, or we get a launcher like iccup to help limit the amount of hacking out there.
If we can't stop private hacks, thats understandable but seriously, the mass produced easily accessible hacks need to be dealt with. To a certain extent I can't help but think that these hack threads might make the problem worse at every level OTHER than super high masters.
On June 06 2012 10:09 Caihead wrote: TL mods need to start permenantly banning people for threats of violence and irresponsible use of force / assault. This is just getting out of hand. Just because someone else committed a crime and has not yet recieved trial and punishment doesn't give any person the right to say things like this, especially when threats of violence and force are crimes in themselves regardless of how irrelevant or "ironic" the comment is.
And backseat moderating isn't welcome either. They will do whatever they see fit.
What logic is that? In what possible credible community is illegitimate threats of violence and force welcome? This is exactly what moderating is supposed to mean.
On June 06 2012 10:09 Caihead wrote: TL mods need to start permenantly banning people for threats of violence and irresponsible use of force / assault. This is just getting out of hand. Just because someone else committed a crime and has not yet recieved trial and punishment doesn't give any person the right to say things like this, especially when threats of violence and force are crimes in themselves regardless of how irrelevant or "ironic" the comment is.
Oh come on, people just want to rant or show how frustrating they are where there is a hacker being invited to a LAN event. I doubt people will actually go to the point where physical contact happens. Just relax man.
On June 06 2012 08:12 lulutheking wrote: Come on guys, if he goes to WCS pls, beat the shit out of him, make him feel he is not welcome by the community. Let him be an example of what future cheaters deserve
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this is just what we need, a dead kid because he got over "beaten" by computer nerds, for hacking in a computer game. You might say no just beat him slightly, but just 1 bad hit and the kid is dead and e-sports with him.
Plus a better end for him would be to just be embarrassed by being rolled over in the tournament. And him going to the tourney its blizzards fault primarily for not doing their job, catching hackers.
I can't believe they invited for ladder. More qualifiers should have been hosted instead. So many players tried so many times and were unable to get in.
I'm interested in seeing who his roommate is for WCS. The players don't have individual rooms, so he can't hide in his room all day if he decides to take the flight and not show up at MLG.
It's a shame that someone else who deserves it probably can't take his spot now though
On June 06 2012 10:09 Caihead wrote: TL mods need to start permenantly banning people for threats of violence and irresponsible use of force / assault. This is just getting out of hand. Just because someone else committed a crime and has not yet recieved trial and punishment doesn't give any person the right to say things like this, especially when threats of violence and force are crimes in themselves regardless of how irrelevant or "ironic" the comment is.
Oh come on, people just want to rant or show how frustrating they are where there is a hacker being invited to a LAN event. I doubt people will actually go to the point where physical contact happens. Just relax man.
There's a reason why threats of force regardless of rather it occurs are considered criminal offenses, I very much doubt people would actually go to that point either, but it's about the principle of the matter. Do you honestly want to see people get away with posting things like this on TL regardless of the context? Do you actually care about the integrity of the community? I'm very calm, excluding people from being able to participate in an online community when they aren't contributing to it and are infact ruining the integrity of the dialogue on it is completely logical.
If Blizzards Warden can easily detect these hacks and they just keep them on a list to mass ban, they should make sure none of these invitees aren't hackers.
I'm sort of uneasy about all of the people who want physical pain rained down upon this guy. Damning evidence or not, you don't sock a kid in the face if he cheats. A round of fisticuffs won't prove anything, but him dropping out early will, and a lesson well learned by Blizzard.
On June 06 2012 10:09 Caihead wrote: TL mods need to start permenantly banning people for threats of violence and irresponsible use of force / assault. This is just getting out of hand. Just because someone else committed a crime and has not yet recieved trial and punishment doesn't give any person the right to say things like this, especially when threats of violence and force are crimes in themselves regardless of how irrelevant or "ironic" the comment is.
Oh come on, people just want to rant or show how frustrating they are where there is a hacker being invited to a LAN event. I doubt people will actually go to the point where physical contact happens. Just relax man.
There's a reason why threats of force regardless of rather it occurs are considered criminal offenses, I very much doubt people would actually go to that point either, but it's about the principle of the matter. Do you honestly want to see people get away with posting things like this on TL regardless of the context? Do you actually care about the integrity of the community? I'm very calm, excluding people from being able to participate in an online community when they aren't contributing to it and are infact ruining the integrity of the dialogue on it is completely logical.
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
If only there were a large, intimidating progamer who is attending MLG Anaheim to welcome him...
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
If only there were a large, intimidating progamer who is attending MLG Anaheim to welcome him...
On June 06 2012 10:09 Caihead wrote: TL mods need to start permenantly banning people for threats of violence and irresponsible use of force / assault. This is just getting out of hand. Just because someone else committed a crime and has not yet recieved trial and punishment doesn't give any person the right to say things like this, especially when threats of violence and force are crimes in themselves regardless of how irrelevant or "ironic" the comment is.
Oh come on, people just want to rant or show how frustrating they are where there is a hacker being invited to a LAN event. I doubt people will actually go to the point where physical contact happens. Just relax man.
There's a reason why threats of force regardless of rather it occurs are considered criminal offenses, I very much doubt people would actually go to that point either, but it's about the principle of the matter. Do you honestly want to see people get away with posting things like this on TL regardless of the context? Do you actually care about the integrity of the community? I'm very calm, excluding people from being able to participate in an online community when they aren't contributing to it and are infact ruining the integrity of the dialogue on it is completely logical.
What is the purpose of replying with a court decision only applicable with in one country, is subject to future changes of law and rulings, when the principle of the matter still stands as well as TL being an international community that we can individually monitor with out the jurisdiction of that court? America passed an act which allows for the invasion of Hague if an american / corporate body is being held trial at the international criminal court, does that mean it makes invasion of foreign bodies legitimate or morally plausible? Fundamentally it's morally wrong, arguing on the basis of tactics and historical occurences has no moral significance.
On June 06 2012 10:20 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'm interested in seeing who his roommate is for WCS. The players don't have individual rooms, so he can't hide in his room all day if he decides to take the flight and not show up at MLG.
It's a shame that someone else who deserves it probably can't take his spot now though
Shouldn't the player or the team be allowed to respond to this post before we decide to go kill the guy? Do we know the replay files are legit and not tampered with? Could the stalkers being selected during blinking be a bug? These lynchings are hilarious... there's a reason vigilante justice is illegal. I hope the moderators lock this thread and any others like it. If you have evidence someone hacked submit it to blizzard, their team, or the tournament organizers. Rallying a lynch mob is neither constructive nor fair to the accused.
On June 06 2012 10:00 Soma.bokforlag wrote: innocent until proven guilty.. its all circumstantial.. bla bla bla..
sad to see invites being based on ladderposition should be a better system
The Blink hack isn't circumstantial. It's impossible to blink individual stalkers while selecting a group legitimately. That seems pretty cut and dried to me.
Well, there is one circumstance where it is possible. If you have been blinking stalkers individuals so some are on cooldown and then you select all your stalkers and blink, only those not on cooldown will blink. I'm not saying this is what he is doing. But, under this particular circumstance, it is possible to blink only some of the stalkers--and potentially only one stalker if all the others are on cooldown.
On June 06 2012 10:20 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'm interested in seeing who his roommate is for WCS. The players don't have individual rooms, so he can't hide in his room all day if he decides to take the flight and not show up at MLG.
It's a shame that someone else who deserves it probably can't take his spot now though
I'm his roommate
Throw a party in your room, INVITE ALL THE PEOPLE!!! lol
On June 06 2012 10:30 Zenislev wrote: Shouldn't the player or the team be allowed to respond to this post before we decide to go kill the guy? Do we know the replay files are legit and not tampered with? Could the stalkers being selected during blinking be a bug? These lynchings are hilarious... there's a reason vigilante justice is illegal. I hope the moderators lock this thread and any others like it. If you have evidence someone hacked submit it to blizzard, their team, or the tournament organizers. Rallying a lynch mob is neither constructive nor fair to the accused.
You must obviously not be familiar AT ALL with the replays, and this player in general. Yet of course you gotta add in your 2cents like it matters, when clearly everyone knows this guy openly maphacks etc. There are lots of replays showcasing this blatant hacking, and to say it might not be true is downright uninformed on your behalf. At the very least do some damn research before trying to defend a blatant hacker. Jesus.
just to be clear I am in no way shape or form suggesting physical harm on this guy.
I am merely saying he should not be made to feel welcome BECAUSE he is an obnoxious hacker who has literally been granted entry to something that someone legit should have gotten. He will play, he will lose and we should laugh accordingly.
but the end of the day the bigger concern should be that we need blizzard to be a bit more informed with their invites. Avilo cried when he qualified, this shit REALLY matters to players and can make or break their careers. Wasting time/space on someone who doesn't give a fuck and actually actively makes this game worse for other people is a huge step backwards.
On June 06 2012 10:30 Zenislev wrote: Shouldn't the player or the team be allowed to respond to this post before we decide to go kill the guy? Do we know the replay files are legit and not tampered with? Could the stalkers being selected during blinking be a bug? These lynchings are hilarious... there's a reason vigilante justice is illegal. I hope the moderators lock this thread and any others like it. If you have evidence someone hacked submit it to blizzard, their team, or the tournament organizers. Rallying a lynch mob is neither constructive nor fair to the accused.
While I strongly believe in not condemning players over an accusation, micro cheats like the blink hack are about as conclusive as it gets. It takes more than a bug to replicate that.
On June 06 2012 10:30 Zenislev wrote: Shouldn't the player or the team be allowed to respond to this post before we decide to go kill the guy? Do we know the replay files are legit and not tampered with? Could the stalkers being selected during blinking be a bug? These lynchings are hilarious... there's a reason vigilante justice is illegal. I hope the moderators lock this thread and any others like it. If you have evidence someone hacked submit it to blizzard, their team, or the tournament organizers. Rallying a lynch mob is neither constructive nor fair to the accused.
Blizzard, their team, and tournament organizers are unreliable. He most likely uses a map hack and definitely use a Blink hack.
With the recent wave of allegations regarding cheating it is understandable that people are obviously very upset about threads like this, but assaulting someone at an event is inexcusable, as is advocating it. I'd like to think we as a community have shown ourselves to be a bit more mature, at least in people's perception, than a lot of other game communities and I'd hate a few angry people to destroy that perception.
wow, people are taking this so seriously its insane... if you dont like a coworker you make sure he knows it? you make sure to badmouth him and spread rumours and talk behind his back? what are we in grade 5?
we simply move past this and anticipate the moment when they get fired or quit, or in this case.. get banned, or leave the sc2 scene
On June 06 2012 10:35 FallDownMarigold wrote: Obviously this dude is not showing up anywhere in person. I counted like 5 or 6 semi-death threats in here lol
I don't know, with the exception of InControl (if you don't know him) I don't think many SC2 players are all that scary. I've had death threats made against me at work and I still go in 5 days a week.
On June 06 2012 10:37 JitnikoVi wrote: wow, people are taking this so seriously its insane... if you dont like a coworker you make sure he knows it? you make sure to badmouth him and spread rumours and talk behind his back? what are we in grade 5?
we simply move past this and anticipate the moment when they get fired or quit, or in this case.. get banned, or leave the sc2 scene
So if I worked in a shop and my coworker stole money from the cashier every day, I should just wait for him to quit his job eventually ?
On June 06 2012 10:30 Zenislev wrote: Shouldn't the player or the team be allowed to respond to this post before we decide to go kill the guy? Do we know the replay files are legit and not tampered with? Could the stalkers being selected during blinking be a bug? These lynchings are hilarious... there's a reason vigilante justice is illegal. I hope the moderators lock this thread and any others like it. If you have evidence someone hacked submit it to blizzard, their team, or the tournament organizers. Rallying a lynch mob is neither constructive nor fair to the accused.
Blizzard, their team, and tournament organizers are unreliable. He most likely uses a map hack and definitely use a Blink hack.
Neither is threats of violence / force reliable or legitimate ways of dealing with the consequences of said actions, what arguments are these? Can we not agree that on principle threatening someone with force to achieve a social goal, when there exist- ruling bodies (court systems, MLG), other stakeholders (MLG, Blizzard, people with a stake in the professionalism of esports), and official stances on hacking and punishment - is immoral? Rather or not a tactic is reliable has nothing to do with rather it's morally significant, if someone hacked discreetly and avoided suspicion that doesn't make it okay.
On June 06 2012 10:37 JitnikoVi wrote: wow, people are taking this so seriously its insane... if you dont like a coworker you make sure he knows it? you make sure to badmouth him and spread rumours and talk behind his back? what are we in grade 5?
we simply move past this and anticipate the moment when they get fired or quit, or in this case.. get banned, or leave the sc2 scene
Its one thing if your co-worker is an asshole and you don't like him because of it. It's another thing when your co-worker is an asshole AND cheating at work to get ahead (stealing money etc). When someone is just an asshole you can ignore him, but when that person is physically affecting your job or position etc, then absolutely I would make sure he knows it, along with management.
On June 06 2012 10:35 FallDownMarigold wrote: Obviously this dude is not showing up anywhere in person. I counted like 5 or 6 semi-death threats in here lol
I don't know, with the exception of InControl (if you don't know him) I don't think many SC2 players are all that scary. I've had death threats made against me at work and I still go in 5 days a week.
InControl isn't scary. he's big but he doesn't seem like a violent person at all. he seems pretty nice as long as you're not a total doucher.
InControl wanting to kick my ass would be scary though.
how many people on the internet have threatened harm on someone and nothing ever happened? 99% of the time. I guarantee most of the people threatening the guy in this thread won't even be near anaheim during MLG, and if they were, would probably give him the finger then go post about it on the forums. I hate this as much as anyone, but you can't just go around threatening to kill someone. There is a justice system (blizzard), its just slow sometimes. I'm hoping this whole thing with Spades pretty much explodes into all major and well known hackers being exposed and removed from the community for awhile, or possibly forever. Then we can keep enjoying this amazing game rite? :3
On June 06 2012 10:30 Zenislev wrote: Shouldn't the player or the team be allowed to respond to this post before we decide to go kill the guy? Do we know the replay files are legit and not tampered with? Could the stalkers being selected during blinking be a bug? These lynchings are hilarious... there's a reason vigilante justice is illegal. I hope the moderators lock this thread and any others like it. If you have evidence someone hacked submit it to blizzard, their team, or the tournament organizers. Rallying a lynch mob is neither constructive nor fair to the accused.
Blizzard, their team, and tournament organizers are unreliable. He most likely uses a map hack and definitely use a Blink hack.
If they are unreliable then so be it, their tournament will suffer because of it. But taking matters into our own hands like this is irresponsible because when mob mentality takes control there's no way you can convince people you're innocent. I'd rather let the people in charge handle this rationally instead of allowing things to potentially get out of control and someone get hurt.
On June 06 2012 10:20 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'm interested in seeing who his roommate is for WCS. The players don't have individual rooms, so he can't hide in his room all day if he decides to take the flight and not show up at MLG.
It's a shame that someone else who deserves it probably can't take his spot now though
I'm his roommate
How big are you?
Seriously, no violence folks. The favorite game of many and raison d'être of this website is going down partly because of a few cheaters, a random maphacker dude deserves more pity than anything.
On June 06 2012 10:34 iNcontroL wrote: just to be clear I am in no way shape or form suggesting physical harm on this guy.
I am merely saying he should not be made to feel welcome BECAUSE he is an obnoxious hacker who has literally been granted entry to something that someone legit should have gotten. He will play, he will lose and we should laugh accordingly.
but the end of the day the bigger concern should be that we need blizzard to be a bit more informed with their invites. Avilo cried when he qualified, this shit REALLY matters to players and can make or break their careers. Wasting time/space on someone who doesn't give a fuck and actually actively makes this game worse for other people is a huge step backwards.
Haven't read a post from inc that I completely agree with in a long time . Yep the second part of your post is many people's concern as well. How Blizzard take on this matter and in all hacking itself is one of the most important thing for the whole SC2 scene to grow. We've seen alot good games get destroyed by hacks, I doubt SC2 will get to that point but less hackers will always ensure a more leveled playing field where hard working are rewarded.
One thing that I noticed is that in rep.#2 (from 21:36 to 21:53 @ his 3rd) he is stutter-stepping his stalkers against roaches and broodlings but his stalkers continue to blink amidst the stutter-step micro.
It's a real shame how someone can hack their way into such a prestigious event. I hope he comes to his senses and doesn't even bother to show up, I'm sure he's bound to get some attention for his hacks.
What SniXSniPe did here is close to what I wanted someone to do with the Spades fiasco. This is much clearer than the mass confusion of the CatZ/Illusion attempt. For me the most obvious moment of blink hack is 14;57 of the second game where a stalker goes forward into lings
On June 06 2012 10:44 dvorakftw wrote: What SniXSniPe did here is close to what I wanted someone to do with the Spades fiasco. This is much clearer than the mass confusion of the CatZ/Illusion attempt. For me the most obvious moment of blink hack is 14;57 of the second game where a stalker goes forward into lings
Agreed. This case seems much more cut and dry comparatively. The blink micro was extremely obvious.
but it'd be great if he hacked and used that for a handicap...
What would be great is if they made him play with his units at 50% health. Chances are more than likely that he hacked to get into this, make up for it by doing that!
he's still going to the event. I was talking with HRG's manager about being recruited. HRG doesn't know. Manager gets off work at 10pst, I'll let him know about this.
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
but it'd be great if he hacked and used that for a handicap...
What would be great is if they made him play with his units at 50% health. Chances are more than likely that he hacked to get into this, make up for it by doing that!
I meant like... he was just so good that he could only slow down to a "mortal," level by hacking and then lifting his hands off the keyboard.
That Spades thread opened awesome can of worms, are we going to see analysis threads of how/why someone they think is hacking on daily basis now? I cba going over replays/videos with already new case, but I hope this guy really hacked and he gets his ass out of competition, I can't believe he got invited by Blizzard - that's such a fail. Meh.
Anyway, I am just sad people who were rooting for violence didn't get temp ban instead of warning.
I don't understand. Every day in society I see people who couldn't care less about other people. Couldn't care less about his neighbor the unemployed, the disabled, even the thief. Somebody shouts "help" and people pretend they don't hear. Boss threatens them with illegal unpaid overtime and they nod silently.
But now I see so much enthusiasm about a hacker across the ocean playing a RTS. How come I see so much interest to set things right. Why isn't this attitude reflected even as a small percentage in every day living?
I really wonder about this. You never hear about similar things like this in the "real world". It's all about mind your own business. I'm genuinely puzzled. Is it the safety of the internet? What is it?
I definitely agree. Sometimes there is a bit of a double standard here but of course it might be overreactions. When people do something wrong IRL, there are tons of people defending the person. Yet on the internet it's the opposite.
Two reasons: 1. The Bystander Effect works both ways - if no one is helping, no one helps. But if some are, everyone helps. In terms of the latter, it doesn't matter if it's negative or positive. For example if a riot starts (like the recent ones in Europe) and it's for some cause, people will join it (and it can spread out of control sometimes).
2. It's the internet.
Well I'm glad mods are warning people who are suggesting threats of violence (even in a joking manner).
Sadly cheating happens all the time in sports. Yes the penalities should be strict (like lifetime ban) but it shouldn't be too crazy or too strict. And of course threats of violence is a bit too much (even if joking or venting). This reminds me of that *"staged" C.S. LAN cheating video where they smashed a PC of a cheater.
*Edit - It wasn't real, so no worries guys (one part I remember is at the end everyone gathered around and started joking about how the person who cheated had some really good computer parts that they'd like to try to salvage).
The problem isn't that though, the problem is that these types of things get out of control. Sometimes people do it (like lets take that C.S. computer smashing example), but yet it spreads to other people. Sometimes people will then start doing it on innocent people or (well people who are accused of hacking but not proven). Not only that, that's a very threatening thing to do a person (smash their PC) and it can lead to violence).
Point is that type of attitude can spread quickly (for example the recent riots in Europe).
Of course take note I am taking worse case scenerios where the problem becomes huge. Point is, we should avoid this altogether.
Anyway, the evidence is definitely clear (blink stalkers). Not much to do but try to get Blizzard and tournament organizers to acknowledge the issue.
On June 06 2012 10:09 Caihead wrote: TL mods need to start permenantly banning people for threats of violence and irresponsible use of force / assault. This is just getting out of hand. Just because someone else committed a crime and has not yet recieved trial and punishment doesn't give any person the right to say things like this, especially when threats of violence and force are crimes in themselves regardless of how irrelevant or "ironic" the comment is.
And backseat moderating isn't welcome either. They will do whatever they see fit.
I almost always disagree with backseat moderating but threats of violence is absolutely unacceptable in any circumstance.
Hi guys, Just check HRGZack's 1v1 Career. He was Bronze league in Season 4, Gold League in season 5, #79 Grandmaster in Season 6 #118 Grandmaster in Current Season.
How did this guy get invited? His team games are platinum and silver. I'm really disappointed that blizzard's level commitment to filter out these kind of things...
On June 06 2012 11:07 blabber wrote: how did they even decide who to invite through the ladder?
This is what I want to know... I mean he's not even that highly ranked in GM? Did they like put all 200 GM names in a hat and draw them or something stupid like that?
ya deciding invite through ladder was a terrible decision... For example, how did shew get invite over faith and many other 2nd place finishers in qualifiers that are much more qualified? If they were going to do it by ladder, it should have been through some legitimate form, not jsuts random...
Even though I know TL stopped it due to lack of interest on Blizzard's part, but I wish they would bring back the hacker database for our own purposes. This is just getting to be a joke.
Let's just not be BM unless he gets completely destroyed in open bracket and hope he gets a really hard test as a first opponent. Just so we can prove he's garbage :D
Someone hacks a game and people threaten him? It's not his fault he was randomly invited. There needs to be at least a light screening before free flights / free hotels ffs.
On June 06 2012 10:49 Bayyne wrote: I don't think this guy is gonna show, he'll get too much shit from players/fans.
He would be an idiot not to. No one is going to do shit to him, and it's a free trip out of Blizzard. Plus, I would absolutely love to see casters commentate his game.
On June 06 2012 11:10 Crownlol wrote: Dude, I'd be more scared of the Blizzard G-Men than any TLer.
Think of how many millions of posts have been made since WoW vanilla launched about Blizz only being run by money etc, etc.
And this dude stole several grand from them, and embarassed them on an international stage.
Just sayin'.
It does show Blizzard incompetence. Im a bit happy that this happened, it might open blizzard's eyes and hopefully they step up their anti-hack. Gotta see things in a positive way i guess idk
On June 06 2012 11:07 HazMat wrote: teamwitchhunt.net
Cute
This is just embarrassing for Blizzard.
Witchhunts are not cool, but having a competitive community willing to step up and shut down hacking as best they can instead of waiting for a Blizzard "wave" is.
I watched the replay for the second one to see if he was blinking individual stalkers while they were all selected (since the youtube wasn't very clear). And he infact was in at least 2 different battles within that game... it's impossible to do that without a hack as far as I know. So I guess that's conclusive evidence he was hacking in at least that game.
With stuff like this I really suggest everyone actually looks at the primary evidence for themselves and makes up their own decision. But in this case the OP is correct. He's a hacker.
On June 06 2012 11:21 Selkie wrote: I wonder: what would happen if his opponent refused to play, citing his history of cheating? It'd certainally force blizzard to do something....
why would you give up a free win? obvsly the guys not gonna be cheating in the competition when u gotta use the special PCs
On June 06 2012 11:21 Freefall22 wrote: I watched the replay for the second one to see if he was blinking individual stalkers while they were all selected (since the youtube wasn't very clear). And he infact was in at least 2 different battles within that game... it's impossible to do that without a hack as far as I know. So I guess that's conclusive evidence he was hacking in at least that game.
With stuff like this I really suggest everyone actually looks at the primary evidence for themselves and makes up their own decision. But in this case the OP is correct. He's a hacker.
If you load up the replay in sc2gears it shows that within 1 second he:
Deselect all units Blink Stalker to (x,y) Attack move Select all units Attack move
On June 06 2012 11:21 Selkie wrote: I wonder: what would happen if his opponent refused to play, citing his history of cheating? It'd certainally force blizzard to do something....
why would you give up a free win? obvsly the guys not gonna be cheating in the competition when u gotta use the special PCs
If you haven't seen people legitimately beat 550 apm you've never seen StarTale_July's apm...(video two for those who didn't watch the youtube video).
While your youtube videos do semi-legitimately show map hackin', you should also show the maphack effect where if he goes and looks at the fog of war it just shows an idle camera for the like ~10 seconds when it happens.
Also what is with the mass inflation of hackers/accusations recently?
On June 06 2012 11:21 Selkie wrote: I wonder: what would happen if his opponent refused to play, citing his history of cheating? It'd certainally force blizzard to do something....
why would you give up a free win? obvsly the guys not gonna be cheating in the competition when u gotta use the special PCs
to make a point
The prize pool for WCS is huge, no one is going to forfeit to " make a point " Blizzard just needs to DQ him.
Oh boy, what is up with the hacker posts all of a sudden? This is the third big one that we've had in a couple of days. Impa, Spades, and now this guy.
This really is sad and should be a wake up call for blizzard to really address the issue... if this kind of shit happens in GM where people - at least I think - have some sort of pride because they worked hard to achieve that and compete at that level and even beyond, what is going on in lower leagues? -__-
Also lol @ faith for spamming the thread with his unfulfilled wishes x-D
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
Time to use those muscles for justice, iNcontroL.
Made me laugh hard, although I'm hoping everyone just boos the hell out of him, instead of beats the hell out of him >.>
Wondering if we're going to post a new hacker every day now.
LOL :3 I was just chilling on starcraft, and up comes HRGzack on my friends list :3 I noticed him after reading this thread. Turns out we played Desert Strike like a month ago and I crushed him with a friend ^^
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
Time to use those muscles for justice, iNcontroL.
Made me laugh hard, although I'm hoping everyone just boos the hell out of him, instead of beats the hell out of him >.>
Wondering if we're going to post a new hacker every day now.
Make it a TL thing. "The daily hack - with Chill and iNcontrol"
On June 06 2012 11:23 VPFaith wrote: I want to compete in WCS... T______T
My university of 1 hour from Anaheim. Please TT
I don't think your proximity to the tournament should be a deciding factor, lol. Spots should go to skilled/known players or through some sort of qualifier. The chances of Blizzard randomly seeing some guy on TL and picking him because he lives nearby seem really low, but I guess it's worth a shot ^^''
On June 06 2012 12:00 acker wrote: This guy just robbed a legitimate player a spot in WCS. Plus the free ride, boarding, and chance to win money and recognition.
He'd better get paired up against a Korean progamer first round.
I actually hope he gets a diamond league player, so he loses without his hacks and everyone wonders how a GM player got trashed vs. a diamond league player.
Glad this got its own thread, it was getting ignored in the WCS USA thread. Short of harassment and physical violence, let this bro know he shouldn't bother showing up to other events in the future.
On June 06 2012 12:00 acker wrote: This guy just robbed a legitimate player a spot in WCS. Plus the free ride, boarding, and chance to win money and recognition.
He'd better get paired up against a Korean progamer first round.
I actually hope he gets a diamond league player, so he loses without his hacks and everyone wonders how a GM player got trashed vs. a diamond league player.
On June 06 2012 12:00 acker wrote: This guy just robbed a legitimate player a spot in WCS. Plus the free ride, boarding, and chance to win money and recognition.
He'd better get paired up against a Korean progamer first round.
That or Geoff. I don't think he'd have the balls to beat Geoff. He basically just needs to be put on blast and thrown out of the community forever.
I vote Faith. He's been a consistent GM player and has frequently been in the Top 16 GM. He also has a rather unique style of play, so I would definitely watch him.
I honestly dont understand the point of hacking online. You don't win serious prize money, and even if you manage to win small online tourny's like Playhem, theres no way that you will be able to make a living off of it.
Serious progaming teams don't recruit people who haven't shown results at LAN's anyways. Being in GM is obviously nice, but its only going to be a matter of time before the witch hunt is turned loose on you.
All of the hacking that has been going on is making me lol.
I think its quite silly that some people are picking up pitchforks and literally thinking about going to beat this guy up.
The point is not that he is hacking, the point is the joke called blizzard that allows something like this to happen.
Their record with hacking is mindblowing, the ammount of hacks available on pretty much all of their games is rediclous.
DIII already had bot and hacks available on release, a game were suposedly you can earn real money playing.
What is even more sickening is their "no lan because pirateslol" while they down know squat about what takes place over their network even while employing intrusive bullshit counter measures that pretty much reads all the shit you have runing on your computer.
The fact that an actual hacker gets invited to an event is just the cherry on the top, if anything it would be great that he shows and actualy wins something, so then he can look at the camera and say "THX BLIZZARD". Shit is pathetic really.
Btw, i know a guy that back in the day, won like 1k in online warcraft TFT tournaments, he decided to try a maphack on his first tournament, he used a public hack, then with the earning of the first tournament he got himself a designer hack that was pretty much untraceable. Bottom line is, here on TL there have been quite a few threads pointing this or that hacker out, but one thing is retards doing drop hacks and stalkers hacks and another is a guy with a maphack and half a brain. This shit wont be fixed until blizzard pulls their head out of their asses.
On June 06 2012 12:38 Natespank wrote: I received a warning earlier for saying blizzard employees are morons. It's clear that they are actually wise. I apologize for my previous statement.
This guy's obviously not going... no way you would be caught at a live event lol. Not sure why Blizz would invite him though, there's so many other more deserving people...
It isn't too late for Blizzard to take action if they want to.
There are plenty of American Players that will be attending MLG that were not able to qualify for WCS.
There are even players who got very deep within one or more of the playhem qualifiers for WCS.
There is even a player who was in the finals, down 1-0, and had his starcraft crash during a game in which he was way ahead, for which he was disqualified (playhem's rule, to help dailies run smoothly.)
On June 06 2012 12:37 ILuMiNaTe wrote: I honestly dont understand the point of hacking online. You don't win serious prize money, and even if you manage to win small online tourny's like Playhem, theres no way that you will be able to make a living off of it.
Ego. Lets face it, most of these are kids who can't accept the fact that they just aren't very good at the game and need a crutch to beat anyone. Or they somehow think they can actually get away with it. People aren't stupid. This shit always eventually comes out and ruins your career, doesn't matter who you are.
On June 06 2012 10:53 VPFaith wrote: Where is my invite?? sigh...
Why didn't you qualify? There were plenty of qualifiers. Please stop cluttering this thread with posts of your desire to replace the maphacker. Sure he doesn't deserve to be here but if you couldn't qualify for like one of the 38 spots for WCS, than you probably don't deserve to be in it either.
If he has any tie to the community and knows of this threads existence, I highly doubt he will actually show up to the event for fear of some one actually physically harming him. Not saying this is the right thing to do at all, just saying it is very possible.
This is disgusting, he is there in place of someone who deserved a spot, and might have kick started their career with an amazing run. Unlikely, but its sad that person doesnt get his deserved shot. Should be ashamed of yourself
On June 06 2012 12:42 a9arnn wrote: This guy's obviously not going... no way you would be caught at a live event lol. Not sure why Blizz would invite him though, there's so many other more deserving people...
Well, this is the crux of the problem. Someone actually deserving that could use it to potentially catapult their career now won't be able to. That's way more upsetting than some idiot cheating because it robs the fans of legitimate players.
On June 06 2012 10:53 VPFaith wrote: Where is my invite?? sigh...
Why didn't you qualify? There were plenty of qualifiers. Please stop cluttering this thread with posts of your desire to replace the maphacker. Sure he doesn't deserve to be here but if you couldn't qualify for like one of the 38 spots for WCS, than you probably don't deserve to be in it either.
I was at the hospital with my grandma for 8 weeks because she was diagnosed pancreatic cancer. So I was not able to play Starcraft 2. I only had time to play at the last 2 playhem qualifiers only to be eliminated by Boyo and FGSiphonn, both of them won the tournament qualifier. Can you understand my situation? Thanks.
Until Blizzard actually takes some action against the hackers or changes the game to make hacking harder for every new player that comes up or any player that suddenly gets a lot better we are all going to say in the back of our mind is he hacking. Its a real shame the damage that people like this do to the credibility of esports.
On June 06 2012 11:49 xrapture wrote: map hacking in a video game does not make you a horrible person. Some of you people REALLY need to calm down.
He should be disqualified from every tournament and shunned by the sc2 online community. That's all.
You didn't think that first sentence out very well, at all. He hacked in a video game(which makes you an asshole), than gets invited to a tournament that means an absolute ton to a lot of people, with a big prize pool, and accepts the invite. He literally stole a spot from someone much more deserving than him. He cost Blizzard several thousand dollars(hopefully they wont fly him out and give him his hotel spot), that is something that someone who is a bad person would do. This is almost worthy of a civil case. Hell perhaps it actually is, I don't personally know enough about the laws around this type of matter.
Obviously he shouldn't be physically threatened, but if Blizzard actually lets him fly out the community needs to make it clear that it is NOT ok to hack. This whole situation is quite embarrassing for Blizzard. This means they randomly selected GM players to go to WCS, because if they looked at their play at all this guy obviously would be banned and someone else would be coming. Best case scenario is they have time to host a tournament among the runner ups of the qualifiers and the winner gets the spot, otherwise they should just let someone have a walkover if they don't have time or aren't willing to pay the price for the last minute flight. I just really hope they don't let this guy actually fly out.
Hello there Faith, While your situation was unfortunate, it still does not mean you have the right to replace the hacker. I would think you are not the only one who placed well in the qualifiers but didn't make it. Thanks.
On June 06 2012 12:37 ILuMiNaTe wrote: I honestly dont understand the point of hacking online. You don't win serious prize money, and even if you manage to win small online tourny's like Playhem, theres no way that you will be able to make a living off of it.
Serious progaming teams don't recruit people who haven't shown results at LAN's anyways. Being in GM is obviously nice, but its only going to be a matter of time before the witch hunt is turned loose on you.
All of the hacking that has been going on is making me lol.
Up until recently there hasn't really been a uproar against maphackers like this in a long time. I think people will be thinking twice from this point on.
On June 06 2012 12:37 ILuMiNaTe wrote: I honestly dont understand the point of hacking online. You don't win serious prize money, and even if you manage to win small online tourny's like Playhem, theres no way that you will be able to make a living off of it.
Serious progaming teams don't recruit people who haven't shown results at LAN's anyways. Being in GM is obviously nice, but its only going to be a matter of time before the witch hunt is turned loose on you.
All of the hacking that has been going on is making me lol.
I dont get your post, you are talking like hacking is some sort of big investment, if a casual players hacks and actualy manages to win a small tourny, its pretty much free money,
Regarding the "witch hunt" thing, like i said in my previous post, one thing is a guy that uses stalker hacks or whatever its called, another thing is a guy with a maphack that knows how to play smart, fake scouts with workers etc. all people will have is circunstancial shit like "hey he blind countered me 2x in a row", "hey he scouted my expo with his worker right when it started getting built" etc.
On June 06 2012 12:37 ILuMiNaTe wrote: I honestly dont understand the point of hacking online. You don't win serious prize money, and even if you manage to win small online tourny's like Playhem, theres no way that you will be able to make a living off of it.
Ego. Lets face it, most of these are kids who can't accept the fact that they just aren't very good at the game and need a crutch to beat anyone. Or they somehow think they can actually get away with it. People aren't stupid. This shit always eventually comes out and ruins your career, doesn't matter who you are.
Thumbs up to that post
Ego's and reputations can create pretty terrible situations for incredibly nice and hard working people.
I FEEL YOUR SITUATION FAITH.
I vote for Faith to take the spot of this hacker at WCS
Disgusting that some people actually consider violence to be a good "lesson" or "deterrent" to a map hacker.
But I agree in the sense that he should be unwelcome at the event. There are many other ways to make him feel unwelcome without being threatened by hotheaded nerds hungry for e-drama.
I saw both videos and is basing my comment on only what I saw. If he was 4 gating does it matter if he scounts? The lack of scounting could be his play style since hes already going for an all-in build in his head before the game even started. As for FAITH, if you really are a good player, you will get noticed. Flaming another player does not make you a the right candidate for the spot. If he really is a hacker, then the world will know at WCS.
On June 06 2012 12:44 eyeEX wrote: If he has any tie to the community and knows of this threads existence, I highly doubt he will actually show up to the event for fear of some one actually physically harming him. Not saying this is the right thing to do at all, just saying it is very possible.
I talked to him online (added him through GM list) and he said he IS going to the LAN, and is 100% confident that no one will try and harm him. Actually he laughs about it and really doesnt give a fuck about anything. He thinks MLG is gonna be on his side, and he will be allowed to play. He is waiting for support from MLG so he can talk with them.
Basically he is going and doesn't give 2 shits about anything.
On June 06 2012 13:10 legacytyro wrote: I have a teammate competing in WCS, it would be really sad if all the hard work my team mate put in was destroyed because he get's beaten by a hacker.
I don't think anyone would lose to Zack at wcs usa.
On June 06 2012 13:08 TBone- wrote: Can you imagine how awkward it would be to cast his game. Or even worse, if he won the event and admitted to being a maphacker on stage.
Well, if he has the skill to win the LIVE event, then maybe he actually deserves it, I am pretty sure you can't hack there.
On June 06 2012 13:08 TBone- wrote: Can you imagine how awkward it would be to cast his game. Or even worse, if he won the event and admitted to being a maphacker on stage.
Well, if he has the skill to win the LIVE event, then maybe he actually deserves it, I am pretty sure you can't hack there.
Well he wouldn't have a free trip if he didn't cheat to get it.
I hope ppl that will attend Anaheim will know how to treat this guy. Hacking is NOT acceptable if you want to be a part of this community.
That Blizzard actually invited an obvious hacker though tells something about them :/ He must've gotten a lot of reports about hacking. Still they chose to invite him and they didn't even investigate it. Such a shame.
To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
The saddest part is that I predicted this kind of thing happening in the Impa thread...
On June 06 2012 12:44 eyeEX wrote: If he has any tie to the community and knows of this threads existence, I highly doubt he will actually show up to the event for fear of some one actually physically harming him. Not saying this is the right thing to do at all, just saying it is very possible.
I talked to him online (added him through GM list) and he said he IS going to the LAN, and is 100% confident that no one will try and harm him. Actually he laughs about it and really doesnt give a fuck about anything. He thinks MLG is gonna be on his side, and he will be allowed to play. He is waiting for support from MLG so he can talk with them.
Basically he is going and doesn't give 2 shits about anything.
How old it he? It seems he doesn't believe sociopaths exist. Some sociopaths act for some "random" reasons, but most take opportunities like this one to justify their acts and with the number of people going at MLG, the chances of one of them existing and doing something to him is not that small.
Anyway, I hope he gets into jail, what he did could be called steal, scam, I don't know, but it ought to be a crime, there is money involved, a tournament and more money after he shows up there, it's a huge scam to Blizzard + a steal to someone else that deserve it better. Jail now \o/
On June 06 2012 13:23 ReaperX wrote: Wonder if he will do well without his hacks, he should be banned anyways how did this not come into light earlier? TT
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
Why can't I hate both? A hacker is an immoral person.
On June 06 2012 12:49 VPFaith wrote: Hi Gosu-user,
I was at the hospital with my grandma for 8 weeks because she was diagnosed pancreatic cancer. So I was not able to play Starcraft 2. I only had time to play at the last 2 playhem qualifiers only to be eliminated by Boyo and FGSiphonn, both of them won the tournament qualifier. Can you understand my situation? Thanks.
why would you want to compete while your grandma has pancreatic cancer?
and also, you didn't earn it, you don't deserve it. It would be unfair giving you the spot.
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
Why can't I hate both? A hacker is an immoral person.
yeah its pretty obviously zacks fault, i hate him, not blizzard.
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
Yeah, thing is that as long as there is a market for hacks they will exist no matter what the community and devs do(although I agree that Blizzard could be doing more about this.). Its moronic to blame the company and the game instead of the idiot that is commiting the crime itself....
Its definitively Zack's fault, he chose to hack, he chose to take up a spot from legit players, he chose to accept the spot. He is not someone trying to prove a point, he is a toolbad who decided to cheat in a videogame. Nothing more nothing else.
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
Yeah, thing is that as long as there is a market for hacks they will exist no matter what the community and devs do(although I agree that Blizzard could be doing more about this.). Its moronic to blame the company and the game instead of the idiot that is commiting the crime itself....
Its definitively Zack's fault, he chose to hack, he chose to take up a spot from legit players, he chose to accept the spot. He is not someone trying to prove a point, he is a toolbad who decided to cheat in a videogame. Nothing more nothing else.
Guess you guys have never heard this quote:
The world is a dangerous place not because of people who do evil, but because of good people who look on and do nothing about it. -- Albert Einstein
Evil people exist, pretending that their existence is the problem, is the problem! Instead the problem is not dealing with them correctly or not dealing with them at all. You even admit that as long as there is a market for hacks, people will use them. And thus, the problem isn't the hackers, the problem is when people don't deal with them.
Blizzard can't stop people from hacking, but Blizzard can punish them for doing it. And if Blizzard doesn't punish people for it, they are just as guilty as the hackers. We can't change what the hackers will do, but we can change how Blizzard will respond. That is why this isn't Zack's fault, the man is what he is, but Blizzard needs to step up to the plate and lay down the law. That is what Einstein was getting at and it is the only way to deal with the problems in the world.
Lol I guarantee this kid won't be showing up at the event. Of course he says he will and acts tough online, CombatEX and others do the same thing. I fucking guarantee he is too scared to show up. Besides, showing up would remind him too much of getting bullied on the playground as a child.
On June 06 2012 13:30 Doodsmack wrote: Lol I guarantee this kid won't be showing up at the event. Of course he says he will and acts tough online, CombatEX and others do the same thing. I fucking guarantee he is too scared to show up. Besides, showing up would remind him too much of getting bullied on the playground as a child.
Yeah he won't show up. Hell I don't doubt that his plane ticket will be cancelled along with his account banned. It may be to late to get another player to take his place, but its not too late to deny him the spot.
Still, Blizzard really needs to address the hacking situation.
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
The saddest part is that I predicted this kind of thing happening in the Impa thread...
This one is very different to other threads about hackers I think, because it's not just that they are hacking on ladder, making life hard for the pros, stealing your ladder points, etc etc. In this case it's a large lan, I think that's something definitely to keep in mind.
It's a big deal because anybody who can take a few honest games off grandmasters (which is probably safe to assume in Zack's case) has a shot at eliminating real, hardworking players out there.
Sure, we all want that piss-ant dead. Cheating in a gentleman's game like starcraft is sacrilege. But we don't want to give the game any bad press. Would you really want to read "Starcraft II Cheater Beaten to Death" in your Sunday special?
Wow, can't believe he is allowed in WCS... Well since Blizzard looks at TL forum, they need to ban him and find a replacement. This is not fair. Of course, he won't show up... let's hope we does. I want to see the reaction of the community when he is playing, for the LOL's.
No but seriously they need to replace him. Hurry up Blizzard!
On June 06 2012 13:10 legacytyro wrote: I have a teammate competing in WCS, it would be really sad if all the hard work my team mate put in was destroyed because he get's beaten by a hacker.
Well, since you can't use hacks at WCS, it would only be fair if he beat your teammate. That's why the only possible ways for presumed hackers to shut down accusations is to show up at lans and do good run.
Since the new Blizzard strategy is to accomodate everyone with their omfgalltimebest new games, why should they care ? You know what they say, a bad publicity is still publicity. Paying a maphacker to participate in their tournaments is a sign that they are more open minded to the crowd of passionate gamers from all around the world.
Wow, only thing I see in sc2 general nowadays is that "this guy" hacks, "other guy" hacks, "pro hacks" etc... I heard Shades lost his career just because you people went on a witch hunt against him, without even having full evidence that he hacks, maybe you were right, maybe you were wrong. But each passing day, you hear about maphacks, it's already annoying, and it's always the same topic. Why does this thread exist? Why can't hackers simply be banned? At least why tournaments aren't smart enough to not invite those people?
I don't understand how is this possible. I know you'd answer it and say that blizzard doesn't care or blizzard is waiting for a lot of hackers to gather up and ban them in waves, I heard all of it already. Funny, but we saw how all other games were also infested with hacks, basically anyone right now could get the latest hack for sc1 or wc3 and log into blizzard's "battle.net" server and will not be banned ever. I think creating a private server for sc2 may be the next step needed to solve the hacking problem that we hear so much nowadays.
Even more, it makes me wonder about all those people I play on ladder, I had a weird feeling in the past weeks that beating people was too easy. Maybe because those people abused hacks to get into high master and grandmaster, and against some players like me who do either do very solid all ins where it all comes down to your ability to macro or micro in order to defend it or they do solid macro play which would simply have more units against a weaker player. That doesn't give me a clear idea of how much high master/grandmaster is infested with hackers, I don't think most hackers would get that far since a lot of players at my level have a very solid play against which hacks won't work. You actually need to be low-high master to be able to use hacks to get into that high level in my opinion.
If blizzard will keep not reacting, it will be up to the community to stop the hackers, by making antihack programs or private servers. But I don't think that spamming the general thread of "this player" hacks will do much, if we continue this way, sc2 general will turn into sc2 maphackers.
On June 06 2012 14:01 GRCJH wrote: It's a big deal because anybody who can take a few honest games off grandmasters (which is probably safe to assume in Zack's case) has a shot at eliminating real, hardworking players out there.
Sure, we all want that piss-ant dead. Cheating in a gentleman's game like starcraft is sacrilege. But we don't want to give the game any bad press. Would you really want to read "Starcraft II Cheater Beaten to Death" in your Sunday special?
C'mon guys, we're not like that.
Uh, I hope no one wants someone dead because of a video game. Also, Starcraft is not a gentleman's game. In no gentleman's game does the word "rape" find any foothold.
I'm actually happy for Zack. I truly am. He was chosen to attend and compete in a live event. That in itself is pretty cool. He's a cheater, yeah, but kids aren't going to read that in their fucking history text books a hundred years from now. I don't see the big deal. It's an anomaly. It's not like he can hack AT the tournament anyway. If he's really a gold level player, then he'll be eliminated like one. That's how the game works.
To use a basketball phrase: ball don't lie.
This knee-jerk reaction of, "hur hur les' get em!" is ridiculous. Let the kid come play, get eliminated, and let's not speak of this again.
Well, since you can't use hacks at WCS, it would only be fair if he beat your teammate.
This. It will be a fair playing field at the WCS since you can't use hacks, though its a shame that he probably qualified using hacks.
The point is he shouldnt be there to begin with... Gold to GM in 1 season lololol Flight, Hotel and the 150 the players will receive is huge enough as it is, but the fact that he also denied someone worthy of a spot a chance to play and make a name for themselves and to experience something that could potentially change their life/career, this is a lot more than just a game to many of these players
On June 06 2012 14:11 Sub40APM wrote: I am surprised Blizzard doesnt care more, I mean sure they got my first 60 but they are still planning to sell me the other two expansions arent they?
Has Blizzard made an official post regarding this issue yet? And has anyone sent in this guys replays to Blizzard yet? For a tournament like this I think they'd step up if enough evidence was given.
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
Yeah, thing is that as long as there is a market for hacks they will exist no matter what the community and devs do(although I agree that Blizzard could be doing more about this.). Its moronic to blame the company and the game instead of the idiot that is commiting the crime itself....
Its definitively Zack's fault, he chose to hack, he chose to take up a spot from legit players, he chose to accept the spot. He is not someone trying to prove a point, he is a toolbad who decided to cheat in a videogame. Nothing more nothing else.
Guess you guys have never heard this quote:
The world is a dangerous place not because of people who do evil, but because of good people who look on and do nothing about it. -- Albert Einstein
Evil people exist, pretending that their existence is the problem, is the problem! Instead the problem is not dealing with them correctly or not dealing with them at all. You even admit that as long as there is a market for hacks, people will use them. And thus, the problem isn't the hackers, the problem is when people don't deal with them.
Blizzard can't stop people from hacking, but Blizzard can punish them for doing it. And if Blizzard doesn't punish people for it, they are just as guilty as the hackers. We can't change what the hackers will do, but we can change how Blizzard will respond. That is why this isn't Zack's fault, the man is what he is, but Blizzard needs to step up to the plate and lay down the law. That is what Einstein was getting at and it is the only way to deal with the problems in the world.
That's a very narrow minded interpretation. You can be upset with police for not catching a murdered, doesn't mean the murdered is not a bad person. Pretending such a thing as "evil" exists is naive in itself. Everyone does what they believe is best for themselves and justifies it as good or fair. No one kills another person thinking to themselves "this is evil and wrong, I am an evil person and I want to spread evil", they explain to themselves that the person deserved it or that their own life or needs are more important. People who hack do so for selfish reasons, but since they hurt others, we cannot accept it. We expect blizzard to do something about it, like we expect police to catch criminals, but neither hackers nor criminals should simply be accepted as if they are doing something reasonable.
Well, since you can't use hacks at WCS, it would only be fair if he beat your teammate.
This. It will be a fair playing field at the WCS since you can't use hacks, though its a shame that he probably qualified using hacks.
The point is he shouldnt be there to begin with... Gold to GM in 1 season lololol Flight, Hotel and the 150 the players will receive is huge enough as it is, but the fact that he also denied someone worthy of a spot a chance to play and make a name for themselves and to experience something that could potentially change their life/career, this is a lot more than just a game to many of these players
Oh I know this and I'm against him attending this event just because of that. He's pretty much getting a free little vacation and getting paid to play Starcraft with the small chance that he will win it all, when he screwed someone else out of a spot thats a legit player.
I feel like the NA scene is turning to trash by the minute. Nevermind having actual guys that can compete globally, it already struggles to find legit GM players...
Wow, very nice OP. You even made videos for those who are at work or too lazy to watch the replay (or for people like me, who are really too lazy to watch but less so because we don't wanna watch 8x but cus our PCs sucks, so it takes forever to start SC2 and can only watch replays at 2x ^^)
You even gave a search link, haha nice
did you post this on Bnet as well? let blizz know! they'll see it :D
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
Think EG should give him a wedgie so hard he needs several pillows to sit down at his computer station.
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
Yeah, thing is that as long as there is a market for hacks they will exist no matter what the community and devs do(although I agree that Blizzard could be doing more about this.). Its moronic to blame the company and the game instead of the idiot that is commiting the crime itself....
Its definitively Zack's fault, he chose to hack, he chose to take up a spot from legit players, he chose to accept the spot. He is not someone trying to prove a point, he is a toolbad who decided to cheat in a videogame. Nothing more nothing else.
Guess you guys have never heard this quote:
The world is a dangerous place not because of people who do evil, but because of good people who look on and do nothing about it. -- Albert Einstein
Evil people exist, pretending that their existence is the problem, is the problem! Instead the problem is not dealing with them correctly or not dealing with them at all. You even admit that as long as there is a market for hacks, people will use them. And thus, the problem isn't the hackers, the problem is when people don't deal with them.
Blizzard can't stop people from hacking, but Blizzard can punish them for doing it. And if Blizzard doesn't punish people for it, they are just as guilty as the hackers. We can't change what the hackers will do, but we can change how Blizzard will respond. That is why this isn't Zack's fault, the man is what he is, but Blizzard needs to step up to the plate and lay down the law. That is what Einstein was getting at and it is the only way to deal with the problems in the world.
Your interpretation seems very close minded and far from what Einstein most likely intended it to mean... You are upset that people are trying to bring justice to this matter? Not Zacks fault? shame on you, prob one of the most foolish things i have ever read. It wasn't Bin Ladens fault either for the world trade centers cause the US should have come down on other convicted terrorists harder. Jesus man i honestly cant believe someone could say such a foolish thing
Seriously, I hope they kick him out. Maybe the MLG guys didn't know he was a maphacker? If that's the case, please kick out the hacker. Hackers are fucking scumbags.
for all those attending the event, how about you all mess/troll him so that he feels bad and/or see what his real life attitude is towards his hacking ^^ (so that you guys can have fun in a safe manner while also possibly making him even less reputable if his real life attitude is also terrible)
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
The saddest part is that I predicted this kind of thing happening in the Impa thread...
There is just nothing Blizzard can really do to stop it. I mean they can ban the people once they catch them but thats about it.
On June 06 2012 08:02 SniXSniPe wrote: But if that's not enough to prove it... how about: -APM Skyrocketing to 550~ish in battles. Please show me replays of all the high level pros in SC2 that get this high.
Is APM Skyrocketing a known indicator of hacking? Because a couple days ago I played this guy who's APM went up to over 1000 several times, and when I viewed his camera he wasn't really doing anything. It was a ZvZ and I won in the early game, so it's not like it would have helped him too much.
At the time I thought it was a glitch with the replay or something, I"ll have to look out for this in the future though.
Honestly , I hope he goes, brings his hacks and tears up the place. It would be so blatant that blizzard has to pay more attention to hack reports. I'm quite curious what would happen when one of his games is casted and he uses the blink-hack.
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
Yeah, thing is that as long as there is a market for hacks they will exist no matter what the community and devs do(although I agree that Blizzard could be doing more about this.). Its moronic to blame the company and the game instead of the idiot that is commiting the crime itself....
Its definitively Zack's fault, he chose to hack, he chose to take up a spot from legit players, he chose to accept the spot. He is not someone trying to prove a point, he is a toolbad who decided to cheat in a videogame. Nothing more nothing else.
Guess you guys have never heard this quote:
The world is a dangerous place not because of people who do evil, but because of good people who look on and do nothing about it. -- Albert Einstein
Evil people exist, pretending that their existence is the problem, is the problem! Instead the problem is not dealing with them correctly or not dealing with them at all. You even admit that as long as there is a market for hacks, people will use them. And thus, the problem isn't the hackers, the problem is when people don't deal with them.
Blizzard can't stop people from hacking, but Blizzard can punish them for doing it. And if Blizzard doesn't punish people for it, they are just as guilty as the hackers. We can't change what the hackers will do, but we can change how Blizzard will respond. That is why this isn't Zack's fault, the man is what he is, but Blizzard needs to step up to the plate and lay down the law. That is what Einstein was getting at and it is the only way to deal with the problems in the world.
That's a very narrow minded interpretation.... but neither hackers nor criminals should simply be accepted as if they are doing something reasonable.
It isn't about accepting criminals as if they are doing something reasonable. It is about accepting the fact that people who do unreasonable things exist.
And when you accept the fact they exist, you can deal with them. EDIT: In the lines below you can see evidence that Blizzard isn't accepting the fact that Zack as a hacker exists.
On June 06 2012 14:21 Flipshy wrote:
Your interpretation seems very close minded and far from what Einstein most likely intended it to mean... You are upset that people are trying to bring justice to this matter? Not Zacks fault? shame on you, prob one of the most foolish things i have ever read. It wasn't Bin Ladens fault either for the world trade centers cause the US should have come down on other convicted terrorists harder. Jesus man i honestly cant believe someone could say such a foolish thing
You don't understand what I've written. I am not upset that people are trying to bring justice to the matter. Zack is who he is, you can't blame him for being himself and that goes back to what I said to MrCash. You have to accept the fact people like Zack exist, and they are who they are. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't act to stop Zack from being himself. And that is what Blizzard needs to do, stop the hackers.
Notes: Prepared for ovie scouts, knows where my army is constantly + he doesnt check for 3rd (barely sees creep on edge, doesnt even look at it and pulls back) Most obvious: blink micro with all units selected. Get out
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
Great. That's fantastic. What legitimacy does TL's opinion have now if Blizzard is focusing on the TL community threatening people with violence / force. This is exactly what I was saying about community integrity.
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
LOL that's actually good news. So they DO see these threads...? or what? well I'm guessing that there's so many blizz employees, some of them have got to be users of TL
Also, it may just mean that they don't think he hacked. But it's probably not that. Probably some other reason =/
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
LOL that's actually good news. So they DO see these threads...? or what? well I'm guessing that there's so many blizz employees, some of them have got to be users of TL
Also, it may just mean that they don't think he hacked. But it's probably not that. Probably some other reason =/
Or Zack is lying, which I think is likely.
He says that Blizzard can't ban him until there is 100% evidence of him hacking, meaning if warden can't see it, blizzard won't ban it.
Stuff like godlike blink micro can be "passed off" as just being glitches in the coding of the replay etc etc.
He's not worried at all about getting himself banned, even after all this attention. In fact he's enjoying the attention lol, although disappointed he doesn't have 200 pages like Spade's thread.
This is why i hate online everything. Whether it's lag or stream cheating or hacking i have never been able to take an online result seriously. Yet here we have tournament organisers relying on online results leading to actual money being spent based on these results.
It's a farce.
That's also why i always loved the shit out of the MLG open bracket and the GSL code a qualifiers. Until you win something there, you've earned nothing. It's perfect. But it's 2012 and everyone wants to do everything online, and here we are. (y)
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
And that is exactly what I've been talking about above! Blizzard is the one to blame here.
Blizzard is utmost concerned about the SECURITY of an event, if they don't even have that basis how can they monitor competitive play.
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about they fact that they know what people think of think, meaning they have access to the information in this thread, but are still inviting him to this event.
On June 06 2012 08:02 SniXSniPe wrote: But if that's not enough to prove it... how about: -APM Skyrocketing to 550~ish in battles. Please show me replays of all the high level pros in SC2 that get this high.
Is APM Skyrocketing a known indicator of hacking? Because a couple days ago I played this guy who's APM went up to over 1000 several times, and when I viewed his camera he wasn't really doing anything. It was a ZvZ and I won in the early game, so it's not like it would have helped him too much.
At the time I thought it was a glitch with the replay or something, I"ll have to look out for this in the future though.
Well it's possible to reach that APM, by binding left click to the scroll wheel and scrolling. It's only useful to spam infested terrans and ghost snipes or you could just use it to inflate your apm.
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
LOL that's actually good news. So they DO see these threads...? or what? well I'm guessing that there's so many blizz employees, some of them have got to be users of TL
Also, it may just mean that they don't think he hacked. But it's probably not that. Probably some other reason =/
Or Zack is lying, which I think is likely.
He says that Blizzard can't ban him until there is 100% evidence of him hacking, meaning if warden can't see it, blizzard won't ban it.
Stuff like godlike blink micro can be "passed off" as just being glitches in the coding of the replay etc etc.
He's not worried at all about getting himself banned, even after all this attention.
Wow really? That's interesting. I guess they are really going for the innocent until proven guilty thing. Not that that's a bad thing.
I mean, yeah I guess there could be glitches. I'm not a programmer though so I wouldn't know much.
Oh I see, the reason why Impa was banned was cus he was blatantly streaming his hacks.
He is blinking single stalkers although he has all selected which is impossible and a 100% proof of him maphacking. He also blinks one of his stalkers, that is a bit on the wall at the rocks, south INTO the Zerg army. That is obviously a logical misscalculation by the bot, no human would ever do such a misstake. It cannot even be a missclick, because you wouldn't ever use your mouse south during that blink micro.
Good find, I don't think he will go to WCG. People will have heard of him beeing a maphacker and flame him hard.
KiWiKaKi used to go gate first sometimes... just sayin... I wish he came back.
Maybe he just build cannons because he's dumb. It's hard to say. Also, Protoss with Colossus unless there is some form of high tech, especially with sentries too is basically A-move. Also, I can explain moving towards the third but not the timing. Zerg tries to deny the third, you have five cannons on your base. Vibe has around 550 APM sometimes. The only evidence towards maphacking is the ridiculously impossible timings. No explanation for the blink though.
On June 06 2012 13:23 ReaperX wrote: Wonder if he will do well without his hacks
Of course he won't do well. He A) had to cheat to even get invited and B) will be going against *actual* pros who don't fuck around or need crutches to win games. He has zero chance to do anything except shit the bed.
This is the thing, if you cheat you're fucked, not just in the community, but in actual tourney games where you will just end up looking like the wannabe you are.
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
And that is exactly what I've been talking about above! Blizzard is the one to blame here.
Blizzard is utmost concerned about the SECURITY of an event, if they don't even have that basis how can they monitor competitive play.
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about they fact that they know what people think of think, meaning they have access to the information in this thread, but are still inviting him to this event.
They have between that email and when the event starts to investigate it themselves, they need to check the validity and authenticity of the claims, draft public messages, and formulate a suitable solution / punishment if need be if verified. Again, their first priority is an event they are hosting goes off with out ANY player recieving threats of or actual violence, two wrongs don't make a right.
Zack was talking to me for about a month before MLG Columbus as the team manager/rep for HRG High Rollers Gaming, a eSports team that according to him wanted to break into SC2 and add me to their team. Come and go MLG and about the time Zack was telling me I'd be talking to their CEO and get my tickets and everything payed for the next MLG as I joined the team, then day after day, week after week I wasn't able to contact him or the CEO and after that being the second team to lure me in with good promices then fuck me over after weeks and months of pulling me along... Sigh after that I ended up quitting SC2, a real pain in the ass, over 50% of my time practicing I was promiced to two teams that both gave me nothing, and made me turn down legitimate team offers. I really hope he gets punished or his tickets/hotel taken away, to see someone screw me over, maphack, and get rewarded for me would just be a pain in the ass...
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
And that is exactly what I've been talking about above! Blizzard is the one to blame here.
Blizzard is utmost concerned about the SECURITY of an event, if they don't even have that basis how can they monitor competitive play.
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about they fact that they know what people think of think, meaning they have access to the information in this thread, but are still inviting him to this event.
They have between that email and when the event starts to investigate it themselves, they need to check the validity and authenticity of the claims, draft public messages, and formulate a suitable solution / punishment if need be if varified. Again, their first priority is an event they are hosting goes off with out ANY player recieving threats of or actual violence, two wrongs don't make a right.
But why not look into the cheating claims first, then issue a statement regarding them, either banning him or allowing him based on their analysis, then worry about the security of him?
Fact is, if Blizzard knows for certain he is cheating and he isn't invited, then they don't need to worry about his security. If they know he isn't cheating, then they can state that and provide reasons (which would settle people down a lot anyway) and then worry about his security if people are still fired up.
No reason to work on getting additional security for someone who might be showing up. Put the horse before the cart.
It sounds more like Blizzard has decided he is coming and is now planning for his security.
just let him go to the lan, i doubt he will even show up in the first place but if he does he will just expose himself and even if blizzard is paying for his expenses is, maybe it will create better incentives to improve their anti hacking protocols
On June 06 2012 14:47 Lobber wrote: Zack was talking to me for about a month before MLG Columbus as the team manager/rep for HRG High Rollers Gaming, a eSports team that according to him wanted to break into SC2 and add me to their team. Come and go MLG and about the time Zack was telling me I'd be talking to their CEO and get my tickets and everything payed for the next MLG as I joined the team, then day after day, week after week I wasn't able to contact him or the CEO and after that being the second team to lure me in with good promices then fuck me over after weeks and months of pulling me along... Sigh after that I ended up quitting SC2, a real pain in the ass, over 50% of my time practicing I was promiced to two teams that both gave me nothing, and made me turn down legitimate team offers. I really hope he gets punished or his tickets/hotel taken away, to see someone screw me over, maphack, and get rewarded for me would just be a pain in the ass...
I'm sorry to hear that, we need a Kespa of SC2 so shit like this doesn't happen or go unnoticed / unpunished.
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
And that is exactly what I've been talking about above! Blizzard is the one to blame here.
Blizzard is utmost concerned about the SECURITY of an event, if they don't even have that basis how can they monitor competitive play.
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about they fact that they know what people think of think, meaning they have access to the information in this thread, but are still inviting him to this event.
They have between that email and when the event starts to investigate it themselves, they need to check the validity and authenticity of the claims, draft public messages, and formulate a suitable solution / punishment if need be if varified. Again, their first priority is an event they are hosting goes off with out ANY player recieving threats of or actual violence, two wrongs don't make a right.
But why not look into the cheating claims first, then issue a statement regarding them, either banning him or allowing him based on their analysis, then worry about the security of him?
Fact is, if Blizzard knows for certain he is cheating and he isn't invited, then they don't need to worry about his security. If they know he isn't cheating, then they can state that and provide reasons (which would settle people down a lot anyway) and then worry about his security if people are still fired up.
No reason to work on getting additional security for someone who might be showing up. Put the horse before the cart.
It sounds more like Blizzard has decided he is coming and is now planning for his security.
Maybe because they can send an email quickly and easily, while they're not done with the other stuff?
Well, this is pretty obvious. The blink action sequence is EXACTLY identical to every other blink hacker out there. The blink hack used by blink hackers has a very unique and obvious fingerprint. It generates the following sequence of actiosn:
Deselect all units
Blink one individual stalker
Issue attack command to said stalker
Re-select previous selection (without the use of hotkeys)
With this in mind, let's look at the actions in the replay:
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
Yeah, thing is that as long as there is a market for hacks they will exist no matter what the community and devs do(although I agree that Blizzard could be doing more about this.). Its moronic to blame the company and the game instead of the idiot that is commiting the crime itself....
Its definitively Zack's fault, he chose to hack, he chose to take up a spot from legit players, he chose to accept the spot. He is not someone trying to prove a point, he is a toolbad who decided to cheat in a videogame. Nothing more nothing else.
Guess you guys have never heard this quote:
The world is a dangerous place not because of people who do evil, but because of good people who look on and do nothing about it. -- Albert Einstein
So is it right for Bin Laden to be who he was? You are making it ok for people to be who they are even if people are doing horrible things? As off topic as my analogy may seem and how unrelated it seems im trying to show you what your saying doesnt make sense. Your logic is that of an enabler, that its ok for people to do bad things because thats just who they are. I understood completely but the fact someone could say something like that is quite astonishing to me. Evil people exist, pretending that their existence is the problem, is the problem! Instead the problem is not dealing with them correctly or not dealing with them at all. You even admit that as long as there is a market for hacks, people will use them. And thus, the problem isn't the hackers, the problem is when people don't deal with them.
Blizzard can't stop people from hacking, but Blizzard can punish them for doing it. And if Blizzard doesn't punish people for it, they are just as guilty as the hackers. We can't change what the hackers will do, but we can change how Blizzard will respond. That is why this isn't Zack's fault, the man is what he is, but Blizzard needs to step up to the plate and lay down the law. That is what Einstein was getting at and it is the only way to deal with the problems in the world.
That's a very narrow minded interpretation.... but neither hackers nor criminals should simply be accepted as if they are doing something reasonable.
It isn't about accepting criminals as if they are doing something reasonable. It is about accepting the fact that people who do unreasonable things exist.
And when you accept the fact they exist, you can deal with them. EDIT: In the lines below you can see evidence that Blizzard isn't accepting the fact that Zack as a hacker exists.
Your interpretation seems very close minded and far from what Einstein most likely intended it to mean... You are upset that people are trying to bring justice to this matter? Not Zacks fault? shame on you, prob one of the most foolish things i have ever read. It wasn't Bin Ladens fault either for the world trade centers cause the US should have come down on other convicted terrorists harder. Jesus man i honestly cant believe someone could say such a foolish thing
You don't understand what I've written. I am not upset that people are trying to bring justice to the matter. Zack is who he is, you can't blame him for being himself and that goes back to what I said to MrCash. You have to accept the fact people like Zack exist, and they are who they are. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't act to stop Zack from being himself. And that is what Blizzard needs to do, stop the hackers.
So is it right for Bin Laden to be who he was? You are making it ok for people to be who they are even if people are doing horrible things? As off topic as my analogy may seem and how unrelated it seems im trying to show you what your saying doesnt make sense. Your logic is that of an enabler, that its ok for people to do bad things because thats just who they are. I understood completely but the fact someone could say something like that is quite astonishing to me.
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
And that is exactly what I've been talking about above! Blizzard is the one to blame here.
Blizzard is utmost concerned about the SECURITY of an event, if they don't even have that basis how can they monitor competitive play.
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about they fact that they know what people think of think, meaning they have access to the information in this thread, but are still inviting him to this event.
They have between that email and when the event starts to investigate it themselves, they need to check the validity and authenticity of the claims, draft public messages, and formulate a suitable solution / punishment if need be if varified. Again, their first priority is an event they are hosting goes off with out ANY player recieving threats of or actual violence, two wrongs don't make a right.
But why not look into the cheating claims first, then issue a statement regarding them, either banning him or allowing him based on their analysis, then worry about the security of him?
Fact is, if Blizzard knows for certain he is cheating and he isn't invited, then they don't need to worry about his security. If they know he isn't cheating, then they can state that and provide reasons (which would settle people down a lot anyway) and then worry about his security if people are still fired up.
No reason to work on getting additional security for someone who might be showing up. Put the horse before the cart.
It sounds more like Blizzard has decided he is coming and is now planning for his security.
What? It has nothing to do with what it sounds like after it's been relayed through 2 different people who might be lying, it's just standard procedure when accusations and threats come out for players / representatives that the organization be first concerned about their safety, then the validity of the claims. Same thing works in law, when a person recieves allegations of a crime and threats of violence the law has to protect him first before trial and prosecution.
On June 06 2012 14:47 Lobber wrote: Zack was talking to me for about a month before MLG Columbus as the team manager/rep for HRG High Rollers Gaming, a eSports team that according to him wanted to break into SC2 and add me to their team. Come and go MLG and about the time Zack was telling me I'd be talking to their CEO and get my tickets and everything payed for the next MLG as I joined the team, then day after day, week after week I wasn't able to contact him or the CEO and after that being the second team to lure me in with good promices then fuck me over after weeks and months of pulling me along... Sigh after that I ended up quitting SC2, a real pain in the ass, over 50% of my time practicing I was promiced to two teams that both gave me nothing, and made me turn down legitimate team offers. I really hope he gets punished or his tickets/hotel taken away, to see someone screw me over, maphack, and get rewarded for me would just be a pain in the ass...
Sorry to hear that, my friend mention that he played you at a past MLG and you were a good player. This whole High Rollers Gaming thing sticks like the Gus situation to me. People with a bunch of empty promises trying to cash in on SC2.
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
And that is exactly what I've been talking about above! Blizzard is the one to blame here.
Blizzard is utmost concerned about the SECURITY of an event, if they don't even have that basis how can they monitor competitive play.
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about they fact that they know what people think of think, meaning they have access to the information in this thread, but are still inviting him to this event.
They have between that email and when the event starts to investigate it themselves, they need to check the validity and authenticity of the claims, draft public messages, and formulate a suitable solution / punishment if need be if varified. Again, their first priority is an event they are hosting goes off with out ANY player recieving threats of or actual violence, two wrongs don't make a right.
But why not look into the cheating claims first, then issue a statement regarding them, either banning him or allowing him based on their analysis, then worry about the security of him?
Fact is, if Blizzard knows for certain he is cheating and he isn't invited, then they don't need to worry about his security. If they know he isn't cheating, then they can state that and provide reasons (which would settle people down a lot anyway) and then worry about his security if people are still fired up.
No reason to work on getting additional security for someone who might be showing up. Put the horse before the cart.
It sounds more like Blizzard has decided he is coming and is now planning for his security.
What? It has nothing to do with what it sounds like after it's been relayed through 2 different people who might be lying, it's just standard procedure when accusations and threats come out for players / representatives that the organization be first concerned about their safety, then the validity of the claims. Same thing works in law, when a person recieves allogations of a crime and threats of violence the law has to protect him first before trial and prosecution.
Well that makes sense when you look at it from the legal point of view. I was viewing it from an economic point of view, as in the why bother spending time (read: money) on something when that may not happen, when you could be spending your time on finding out if it should happen. Point taken.
On June 06 2012 14:51 kmh wrote: Well, this is pretty obvious. The blink action sequence is EXACTLY identical to every other blink hacker out there. The blink hack used by blink hackers has a very unique and obvious fingerprint. It generates the following sequence of actiosn:
Deselect all units
Blink one individual stalker
Issue attack command to said stalker
Re-select previous selection (without the use of hotkeys)
With this in mind, let's look at the actions in the replay:
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
And that is exactly what I've been talking about above! Blizzard is the one to blame here.
Blizzard is utmost concerned about the SECURITY of an event, if they don't even have that basis how can they monitor competitive play.
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about they fact that they know what people think of think, meaning they have access to the information in this thread, but are still inviting him to this event.
They have between that email and when the event starts to investigate it themselves, they need to check the validity and authenticity of the claims, draft public messages, and formulate a suitable solution / punishment if need be if varified. Again, their first priority is an event they are hosting goes off with out ANY player recieving threats of or actual violence, two wrongs don't make a right.
But why not look into the cheating claims first, then issue a statement regarding them, either banning him or allowing him based on their analysis, then worry about the security of him?
Fact is, if Blizzard knows for certain he is cheating and he isn't invited, then they don't need to worry about his security. If they know he isn't cheating, then they can state that and provide reasons (which would settle people down a lot anyway) and then worry about his security if people are still fired up.
No reason to work on getting additional security for someone who might be showing up. Put the horse before the cart.
It sounds more like Blizzard has decided he is coming and is now planning for his security.
What? It has nothing to do with what it sounds like after it's been relayed through 2 different people who might be lying, it's just standard procedure when accusations and threats come out for players / representatives that the organization be first concerned about their safety, then the validity of the claims. Same thing works in law, when a person recieves allogations of a crime and threats of violence the law has to protect him first before trial and prosecution.
Well that makes sense when you look at it from the legal point of view. I was viewing it from an economic point of view, as in the why bother spending time (read: money) on something when that may not happen, when you could be spending your time on finding out if it should happen. Point taken.
Because Blizzard's top interest is expanding the esports via public relation and relevance in the mainstream, security at these events is absolutely more important than what small economical loss they would take to take the time to investigate it fully, the plane ticket / entrance fee /cost of investigation to Blizzard is paltry where as its image as a company that hosts safe, systematic, and competitive events is much more important.
On June 06 2012 14:50 Burns wrote: just let him go to the lan, i doubt he will even show up in the first place but if he does he will just expose himself and even if blizzard is paying for his expenses is, maybe it will create better incentives to improve their anti hacking protocols
Actually a solid point. Blizzard is a company and they care about money just like every other company. If they realize they are losing money by paying people who actually hurt their game like this maybe they will care a little bit more.
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players.
Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player.
Yeah, thing is that as long as there is a market for hacks they will exist no matter what the community and devs do(although I agree that Blizzard could be doing more about this.). Its moronic to blame the company and the game instead of the idiot that is commiting the crime itself....
Its definitively Zack's fault, he chose to hack, he chose to take up a spot from legit players, he chose to accept the spot. He is not someone trying to prove a point, he is a toolbad who decided to cheat in a videogame. Nothing more nothing else.
Guess you guys have never heard this quote:
The world is a dangerous place not because of people who do evil, but because of good people who look on and do nothing about it. -- Albert Einstein
So is it right for Bin Laden to be who he was? You are making it ok for people to be who they are even if people are doing horrible things? As off topic as my analogy may seem and how unrelated it seems im trying to show you what your saying doesnt make sense. Your logic is that of an enabler, that its ok for people to do bad things because thats just who they are. I understood completely but the fact someone could say something like that is quite astonishing to me. Evil people exist, pretending that their existence is the problem, is the problem! Instead the problem is not dealing with them correctly or not dealing with them at all. You even admit that as long as there is a market for hacks, people will use them. And thus, the problem isn't the hackers, the problem is when people don't deal with them.
Blizzard can't stop people from hacking, but Blizzard can punish them for doing it. And if Blizzard doesn't punish people for it, they are just as guilty as the hackers. We can't change what the hackers will do, but we can change how Blizzard will respond. That is why this isn't Zack's fault, the man is what he is, but Blizzard needs to step up to the plate and lay down the law. That is what Einstein was getting at and it is the only way to deal with the problems in the world.
That's a very narrow minded interpretation.... but neither hackers nor criminals should simply be accepted as if they are doing something reasonable.
It isn't about accepting criminals as if they are doing something reasonable. It is about accepting the fact that people who do unreasonable things exist.
And when you accept the fact they exist, you can deal with them. EDIT: In the lines below you can see evidence that Blizzard isn't accepting the fact that Zack as a hacker exists.
On June 06 2012 14:21 Flipshy wrote:
Your interpretation seems very close minded and far from what Einstein most likely intended it to mean... You are upset that people are trying to bring justice to this matter? Not Zacks fault? shame on you, prob one of the most foolish things i have ever read. It wasn't Bin Ladens fault either for the world trade centers cause the US should have come down on other convicted terrorists harder. Jesus man i honestly cant believe someone could say such a foolish thing
You don't understand what I've written. I am not upset that people are trying to bring justice to the matter. Zack is who he is, you can't blame him for being himself and that goes back to what I said to MrCash. You have to accept the fact people like Zack exist, and they are who they are. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't act to stop Zack from being himself. And that is what Blizzard needs to do, stop the hackers.
So is it right for Bin Laden to be who he was? You are making it ok for people to be who they are even if people are doing horrible things? As off topic as my analogy may seem and how unrelated it seems im trying to show you what your saying doesnt make sense. Your logic is that of an enabler, that its ok for people to do bad things because thats just who they are. I understood completely but the fact someone could say something like that is quite astonishing to me.
I don't think you understand, this isn't about right and wrong. This is about accepting what is. "Bad" or "Evil" people exist. We need to accept that. That doesn't mean we enable them when we accept they exist, in fact it means the opposite since by accepting they exist we deal with them in an appropriate manner (ie lock them up, rehabilitate them, fine them, whatever it all depends on the crime).
I think the problem here is the word accept. I shouldn't have used it. I am not saying that we should accept criminals or hackers as one would accept someone into a club, I am saying we should realize they exist and accept their existence, thus allowing us to deal with them.
If Blizzard isn't doing anything about Zack, then they are denying the existence of him hacking, so they won't deal with him. Or worse, they could accept the existence of him hacking and still not be dealing with him, but they would never admit that, it would ruin their integrity.
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this.
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha
Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on.
And that is exactly what I've been talking about above! Blizzard is the one to blame here.
Blizzard is utmost concerned about the SECURITY of an event, if they don't even have that basis how can they monitor competitive play.
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about they fact that they know what people think of think, meaning they have access to the information in this thread, but are still inviting him to this event.
They have between that email and when the event starts to investigate it themselves, they need to check the validity and authenticity of the claims, draft public messages, and formulate a suitable solution / punishment if need be if varified. Again, their first priority is an event they are hosting goes off with out ANY player recieving threats of or actual violence, two wrongs don't make a right.
But why not look into the cheating claims first, then issue a statement regarding them, either banning him or allowing him based on their analysis, then worry about the security of him?
Fact is, if Blizzard knows for certain he is cheating and he isn't invited, then they don't need to worry about his security. If they know he isn't cheating, then they can state that and provide reasons (which would settle people down a lot anyway) and then worry about his security if people are still fired up.
No reason to work on getting additional security for someone who might be showing up. Put the horse before the cart.
It sounds more like Blizzard has decided he is coming and is now planning for his security.
What? It has nothing to do with what it sounds like after it's been relayed through 2 different people who might be lying, it's just standard procedure when accusations and threats come out for players / representatives that the organization be first concerned about their safety, then the validity of the claims. Same thing works in law, when a person recieves allogations of a crime and threats of violence the law has to protect him first before trial and prosecution.
Well that makes sense when you look at it from the legal point of view. I was viewing it from an economic point of view, as in the why bother spending time (read: money) on something when that may not happen, when you could be spending your time on finding out if it should happen. Point taken.
Because Blizzard's top interest is expanding the esports via public relation and relevance in the mainstream, security at these events is absolutely more important than what small economical loss they would take to take the time to investigate it fully, the plane ticket / entrance fee /cost of investigation to Blizzard is paltry where as its image as a company that hosts safe, systematic, and competitive events is much more important.
But allowing someone to come like this hurts E-sports, just as the post right below yours states. Though I will admit this draws a lot of attention to this event. I will certainly watch to see how this guy does...
On June 06 2012 14:59 Adonminus wrote: One other thing that can be done against hackers is go spam and ruin their sites where people download the hacks.
It's not right to fight fire with fire. Usually hackers have a better understanding of network protocols than the casual internet goer too so even as a tactic it's not very effective.
Well, why blizzard can't shut those sites then? It's so easy to find them, you type sc2 maphack in google and it shows you all the sites of the hackers.
i don't understand how anyone with an apm as low as him can spike to over 550. I'm over 100 every game as protoss.. and i never spike that high. he was at 86 before his crazy 550 spikes which raised his apm.
He's a nobody. iNcontrol or idra will make quick work of him and then we can all laugh
Notes: Prepared for ovie scouts, knows where my army is constantly + he doesnt check for 3rd (barely sees creep on edge, doesnt even look at it and pulls back) Most obvious: blink micro with all units selected. Get out
On June 06 2012 15:04 Adonminus wrote: Well, why blizzard can't shut those sites then? It's so easy to find them, you type sc2 maphack in google and it shows you all the sites of the hackers.
1: Not all those sites operate in the United States. 2: It costs a lot of money to file lawsuits against so many sites. 3: Successfully shutting down a site simply ensures a new site will be up in days.
On June 06 2012 12:47 Silenus wrote: look at this thread... you think he's even gonna show up?
The thing is that he did the qualifiers... why would he even do them if he has no itention to show up? Just wasting other people's time, maybe... This story is something I want to see the ending. It is truly disappointing that Blizzard does not check on their invited players more than that, as map hackers seems to be the flavor of the month.
On June 06 2012 15:04 Adonminus wrote: Well, why blizzard can't shut those sites then? It's so easy to find them, you type sc2 maphack in google and it shows you all the sites of the hackers.
1: Not all those sites operate in the United States. 2: It costs a lot of money to file lawsuits against so many sites. 3: Successfully shutting down a site simply ensures a new site will be up in days.
The alternative is also terrible too, giving corporations the ability to completely censor types of material is really sketchy, prosecuting the individuals responsible is much more effective than just restricting the relevance or availibility.
On June 06 2012 12:47 Silenus wrote: look at this thread... you think he's even gonna show up?
The thing is that he did the qualifiers... why would he even do them if he has no itention to show up? Just wasting other people's time, maybe... This story is something I want to see the ending. It is truly disappointing that Blizzard does not check on their invited players more than that, as map hackers seems to be the flavor of the month.
maybe he doesnt even browse TL. i wonder whats gonna happen to him once he gets to anaheim...
The apm argument is dull, I am a Diamond player and sometimes my apm goes up to 500 in battles. Not the best of the examples but the rest of the premises are valid.
Notes: Prepared for ovie scouts, knows where my army is constantly + he doesnt check for 3rd (barely sees creep on edge, doesnt even look at it and pulls back) Most obvious: blink micro with all units selected. Get out
That's a Spades replay. I gather you meant to post a Zac one?
On June 06 2012 15:14 EthanKairos wrote: Oh, let him play. He'll soon realize that his cheating will get him nowhere in MLG.
The thing is that he took the spot of a REAL player who could get some actual visibility and possible sponsor. Attending MLG can be a career starter. Taking this opportunity away from players is just unacceptable. Other than that, he got paid 200$ to play at MLG and his trip his fully paid (from what i've heard).
On June 06 2012 15:12 HaagenDazs wrote: The apm argument is dull, I am a Diamond player and sometimes my apm goes up to 500 in battles. Not the best of the examples but the rest of the premises are valid.
whats ur ave apm?? 80 apm and spike up to over 550?
You cannot have 550 apm except if you are Zerg user and select 300 zerglings and morph them into banelings, thats the only time you can have such high apms. My highest apm during battle is no more than 330 and that's with large bio units kiting vs protoss. And the highest protoss apm was around 280ish.
On June 06 2012 14:51 kmh wrote: Well, this is pretty obvious. The blink action sequence is EXACTLY identical to every other blink hacker out there. The blink hack used by blink hackers has a very unique and obvious fingerprint. It generates the following sequence of actiosn:
Deselect all units
Blink one individual stalker
Issue attack command to said stalker
Re-select previous selection (without the use of hotkeys)
With this in mind, let's look at the actions in the replay:
That's awesome man thanks. Actually it'd be great to have a kind of tool to analyze the replays and see if the patterns inside match the ones implemented in the hacks, check the camera locks, etc.
On June 06 2012 14:47 Lobber wrote: Zack was talking to me for about a month before MLG Columbus as the team manager/rep for HRG High Rollers Gaming, a eSports team that according to him wanted to break into SC2 and add me to their team. Come and go MLG and about the time Zack was telling me I'd be talking to their CEO and get my tickets and everything payed for the next MLG as I joined the team, then day after day, week after week I wasn't able to contact him or the CEO and after that being the second team to lure me in with good promices then fuck me over after weeks and months of pulling me along... Sigh after that I ended up quitting SC2, a real pain in the ass, over 50% of my time practicing I was promiced to two teams that both gave me nothing, and made me turn down legitimate team offers. I really hope he gets punished or his tickets/hotel taken away, to see someone screw me over, maphack, and get rewarded for me would just be a pain in the ass...
Sorry to hear that, my friend mention that he played you at a past MLG and you were a good player. This whole High Rollers Gaming thing sticks like the Gus situation to me. People with a bunch of empty promises trying to cash in on SC2.
Yeah, I knocked out a couple good people at MLG, got knocked out by some okay people... Idk I did good then, but with the HRG thing I just cut my losses, didn't want to start a team search for the 3rd time...
i understand the emotion behind all the "why oh why blizz?!" posts, but apply some motherfucking brains. to be 100% sure that someone isnt a maphacker, you have to go over each and every replay said player have played in the same way that OP went over these 2 games. will blizz do that? fuck no.
if blizzard starts spending their resources like that, they would have none left for game/community dev. reading your posts gives the same feeling as when i see the Galio i just firstblooded in mid write: "nice lag, fuck you riot"
Looks to me like this guy is definitely using a blink hack. I'm not 100% sure about a map hack, but I haven't seen the replays and I rarely decide on where I stand with something like this before I've seen the replay myself. Then again, this guy has been called out before.
One thing, if you're ever trying to convince that someone's using a blink hack through a video, don't select anything, press escape and let us see what he does. Judging from the HP left on these stalkers and the clutch blinkbacks I'd say it's pretty obvious it's a hack.
to bad that someone who would deserve this don't gets it because of him.
seems like the blizzard ladder is turning in to a casual/maphacker place. and i don't see blizzard willing to invest in this.yeah banning people its nice and fine but that doesn't solve the problem.
Notes: Prepared for ovie scouts, knows where my army is constantly + he doesnt check for 3rd (barely sees creep on edge, doesnt even look at it and pulls back) Most obvious: blink micro with all units selected. Get out
That's a Spades replay. I gather you meant to post a Zac one?
Funny to see that you found that replay. I remember playing that game yea and I think it's good that you made this post. Especially in that game against me, nobody does a blind 4gate on a map like entombed valey. It also happened to be a strong counter to my buid. I remember thinking something was up the moment he killed my probe around the 8.30 mins.
On June 06 2012 15:36 di3alot wrote: he is gonna fail hard or don't show up.
to bad that someone who would deserve this don't gets it because of him.
seems like the blizzard ladder is turning in to a casual/maphacker place. and i don't see blizzard willing to invest in this.yeah banning people its nice and fine but that doesn't solve the problem.
Blizzard ladder has always consisted of hackers. I'm really surprised they haven't learned from their previous years of experience. The only time it isn't an issue is when people take the problems into their own hands. Sadly, Blizzard's greed has really prevented any form of legitimate ladder.
That being said, I do and I don't want this guy to show. Obviously, if he shows, no one will do a thing to him, and it's pretty much saying fuck you Blizzard, get with the times.
On the other hand, this guy doesn't deserve what he got. It takes an opportunity away from a legitimate player who earned his position. That being said, if this guy's games are casted, if this was a PPV, I would literally buy the subscription just to watch.
On June 06 2012 14:47 Lobber wrote: Zack was talking to me for about a month before MLG Columbus as the team manager/rep for HRG High Rollers Gaming, a eSports team that according to him wanted to break into SC2 and add me to their team. Come and go MLG and about the time Zack was telling me I'd be talking to their CEO and get my tickets and everything payed for the next MLG as I joined the team, then day after day, week after week I wasn't able to contact him or the CEO and after that being the second team to lure me in with good promices then fuck me over after weeks and months of pulling me along... Sigh after that I ended up quitting SC2, a real pain in the ass, over 50% of my time practicing I was promiced to two teams that both gave me nothing, and made me turn down legitimate team offers. I really hope he gets punished or his tickets/hotel taken away, to see someone screw me over, maphack, and get rewarded for me would just be a pain in the ass...
I'm sorry to hear that, we need a Kespa of SC2 so shit like this doesn't happen or go unnoticed / unpunished.
While there would be some good things to this, you must remember how KeSPA had complete control over all it's players. Are you sure you would so quickly put a king in that throne?
The fact that they invite people on ladder its the problem in its own, aren't there enough US player with tournament result to invite them based on that.
On June 06 2012 13:01 SDream wrote: He basicly stole a fly ticket and a hotel reservation from someone else, I hope he gets sued.
Sorry, noone will go to jail because they cheated in a video game.
But the United States congress holds congressional hearings over cheating in baseball, so don't think it's out of the question >_>.
That is a ridiculous. This essentially warrants a software company to not require any security measures as their recourse could be the criminal system. I'm not sure about if you're familiar with how big of a joke the system is in the US, but it's terrible.
I've been banned on two accounts on the battle.net forums for letting them know how lackluster their programmers and ethics are. At the end of the day, this is ALL on Blizzard for putting greed above any ethics. Hell, I know the computer science program and business program where I studied required ethics.
On June 06 2012 12:47 Silenus wrote: look at this thread... you think he's even gonna show up?
The thing is that he did the qualifiers... why would he even do them if he has no itention to show up? Just wasting other people's time, maybe... This story is something I want to see the ending. It is truly disappointing that Blizzard does not check on their invited players more than that, as map hackers seems to be the flavor of the month.
Just to clarify, he did NOT do the qualifiers. He was invited through ladder. Which is one of the reasons why Blizzard fucked up, it means Blizzard must have randomly picked people in GM to go to WCS, because if you look at his play its obvious he's hacking, and that when he isn't hacking he would get smashed, his gold status looks just about right. You think they would have at least glanced at a dozen or so games before inviting a guy to a somewhat prestige tournament that they are hosting.
Great now we can expect to read "ANOTHER HACKER BUSTED!" posts all day. No one ever presents concrete evidence just fabrication. The most damaging part of Spades accusation was a replay glitch and his past. This one isn't even worth my time. Blizzard Reddit sub communes have gone to complete utter shit and the semi-pros can be blamed for it. ROOT did to Spades what fans did to Destiny and Orb. #welcometotheblindside #endrant
On June 06 2012 16:19 quickml wrote: Great now we can expect to read "ANOTHER HACKER BUSTED!" posts all day. No one ever presents concrete evidence just fabrication. The most damaging part of Spades accusation was a replay glitch and his past. This one isn't even worth my time. Blizzard Reddit sub communes have gone to complete utter shit and the semi-pros can be blamed for it. ROOT did to Spades what fans did to Destiny and Orb. #welcometotheblindside #endrant
Let me know how you blink individual stalkers while having them all selected simultaneously then.
On June 06 2012 16:19 quickml wrote: Great now we can expect to read "ANOTHER HACKER BUSTED!" posts all day. No one ever presents concrete evidence just fabrication. The most damaging part of Spades accusation was a replay glitch and his past. This one isn't even worth my time. Blizzard Reddit sub communes have gone to complete utter shit and the semi-pros can be blamed for it. ROOT did to Spades what fans did to Destiny and Orb. #welcometotheblindside #endrant
If he is a maphacker though, wont he just get annihilated at a LAN where he wont be able to use it?
He shouldn't be there to begin with. He would probably get destroyed without hacks against players of higher skill, but he is still getting a free ride out there, a free hotel room for the weekend and $150 just for showing up, while there's some legit player out there thats missing this opportunity.
Ok so some guy maphacks on ladder and gets invited
All it is is just a guy cheating on ladder, he isn't trying to win some major tournament or anything, and someone who cheats so blatantly clearly has no interest in joining the competetive scene, he probably just plays for himself/for fun
So he gets invited to an event, clearly blizzard's fault, not his fault (he wasn't actively trying to get invited to this by maphacking)
Ok, the situation isn't ideal, he probably won't go
--
But even if he does go, the threats of violence or threats of trying to make his time there as bad as possible are just disgusting Of course he has no place in tournaments etc., but this is absolutely no excuse to threaten people with violence, or to imply some kind of "revenge" act or to harm that person
Shame on all of you, especially disappointed by inc at the start as hes a community figure.
On June 06 2012 16:19 quickml wrote: Great now we can expect to read "ANOTHER HACKER BUSTED!" posts all day. No one ever presents concrete evidence just fabrication. The most damaging part of Spades accusation was a replay glitch and his past. This one isn't even worth my time. Blizzard Reddit sub communes have gone to complete utter shit and the semi-pros can be blamed for it. ROOT did to Spades what fans did to Destiny and Orb. #welcometotheblindside #endrant
On June 06 2012 16:35 BrTarolg wrote: Wow seriously guys?
Ok so some guy maphacks on ladder and gets invited
All it is is just a guy cheating on ladder, he isn't trying to win some major tournament or anything, and someone who cheats so blatantly clearly has no interest in joining the competetive scene, he probably just plays for himself/for fun
So he gets invited to an event, clearly blizzard's fault, not his fault (he wasn't actively trying to get invited to this by maphacking)
Ok, the situation isn't ideal, he probably won't go
--
But even if he does go, the threats of violence or threats of trying to make his time there as bad as possible are just disgusting Of course he has no place in tournaments etc., but this is absolutely no excuse to threaten people with violence, or to imply some kind of "revenge" act or to harm that person
Shame on all of you, especially disappointed by inc at the start as hes a community figure.
It's not blizzard's fault. You think blizzard have to track all the players' background history for an invite? Although the method in which blizzard invited people through ladder is incompetent and dumb, they did not deliberately try to invite hackers.
It's Zack's fault to hack. It is against the terms of use to begin with. In addition, to ACCEPT the invite where he knows he hacks is just astonishingly asinine.
On June 06 2012 16:35 BrTarolg wrote: Wow seriously guys?
Ok so some guy maphacks on ladder and gets invited
All it is is just a guy cheating on ladder, he isn't trying to win some major tournament or anything, and someone who cheats so blatantly clearly has no interest in joining the competetive scene, he probably just plays for himself/for fun
So he gets invited to an event, clearly blizzard's fault, not his fault (he wasn't actively trying to get invited to this by maphacking)
Ok, the situation isn't ideal, he probably won't go
--
But even if he does go, the threats of violence or threats of trying to make his time there as bad as possible are just disgusting Of course he has no place in tournaments etc., but this is absolutely no excuse to threaten people with violence, or to imply some kind of "revenge" act or to harm that person
Shame on all of you, especially disappointed by inc at the start as hes a community figure.
How do you know that he was not after this invite? It's no secret that blizzard would invite people from ladder to the WCS and that they would get free ride and hotel. Now he has a free ticket to enjoy anaheim that someone else deserved to have that might have been able to compete at a high level. There has been a ton of talk about maphacking on NA GM lately and it might have to do with GM being a qualifier to the WCS, it add a incentive to hack and with blizzards anti hack protection it's mostly safe (safe from blizzard atleast, the community seems to find the cheaters).
On June 06 2012 16:35 BrTarolg wrote: Wow seriously guys?
Ok so some guy maphacks on ladder and gets invited
All it is is just a guy cheating on ladder, he isn't trying to win some major tournament or anything, and someone who cheats so blatantly clearly has no interest in joining the competetive scene, he probably just plays for himself/for fun
So he gets invited to an event, clearly blizzard's fault, not his fault (he wasn't actively trying to get invited to this by maphacking)
Ok, the situation isn't ideal, he probably won't go
--
But even if he does go, the threats of violence or threats of trying to make his time there as bad as possible are just disgusting Of course he has no place in tournaments etc., but this is absolutely no excuse to threaten people with violence, or to imply some kind of "revenge" act or to harm that person
Shame on all of you, especially disappointed by inc at the start as hes a community figure.
Except for the part where hacking ruins the ladder for 'normal' players and it also is illegal.
Blizzard are such a joke for inviting players like this.
I don't see the point in hating on the player, the major screwup is at blizzard's end for inviting this guy based on this.
Picture this scenario:
I am an unknown golfer, but I have a record of getting a hole in one on every course I play. Actually though, what I'm doing is rather than using my clubs, I'm just picking up my golfball, running down the course and dropping it in the hole. The PGA hear about my awesome hole-in-one record and I get an invite to one of their tournaments.
In this scenario, you have to blame the PGA for not doing their research or having safeguards in against a player like me being invited. For the same reason I look at blizzard for this messup. If they are going to use ladder for prestegious tournament invites, they need to police their own game better! We can't rely on/expect the community to do this...
On June 06 2012 16:35 BrTarolg wrote: Wow seriously guys?
Ok so some guy maphacks on ladder and gets invited
All it is is just a guy cheating on ladder, he isn't trying to win some major tournament or anything, and someone who cheats so blatantly clearly has no interest in joining the competetive scene, he probably just plays for himself/for fun
So he gets invited to an event, clearly blizzard's fault, not his fault (he wasn't actively trying to get invited to this by maphacking)
Ok, the situation isn't ideal, he probably won't go
--
But even if he does go, the threats of violence or threats of trying to make his time there as bad as possible are just disgusting Of course he has no place in tournaments etc., but this is absolutely no excuse to threaten people with violence, or to imply some kind of "revenge" act or to harm that person
Shame on all of you, especially disappointed by inc at the start as hes a community figure.
It's not blizzard's fault. You think blizzard have to track all the players' background history for an invite? Although the method in which blizzard invited people through ladder is incompetent and dumb, they did not deliberately try to invite hackers.
It's Zack's fault to hack. It is against the terms of use to begin with. In addition, to ACCEPT the invite where he knows he hacks is just astonishingly asinine.
It's not Blizzard's fault? What? That's equivalent to me hiring someone and not bother background checking them, drug testing them, etc.
I'm obviously not deliberately trying to hire convicted sex offenders to teach at my preschool(just an example), but if I do, it's their fault for applying.
Blizzard should be aware their game essentially does nothing to prevent any form of hacking. When they're about to shell out $1000+ on a person who went from gold to GM, you'd think they might consider any possibility, especially after these recent trend of maphackers in GM.
On June 06 2012 16:35 BrTarolg wrote: Wow seriously guys?
Ok so some guy maphacks on ladder and gets invited
All it is is just a guy cheating on ladder, he isn't trying to win some major tournament or anything, and someone who cheats so blatantly clearly has no interest in joining the competetive scene, he probably just plays for himself/for fun
So he gets invited to an event, clearly blizzard's fault, not his fault (he wasn't actively trying to get invited to this by maphacking)
Ok, the situation isn't ideal, he probably won't go
--
But even if he does go, the threats of violence or threats of trying to make his time there as bad as possible are just disgusting Of course he has no place in tournaments etc., but this is absolutely no excuse to threaten people with violence, or to imply some kind of "revenge" act or to harm that person
Shame on all of you, especially disappointed by inc at the start as hes a community figure.
Except for the part where hacking ruins the ladder for 'normal' players and it also is illegal.
zero tolerance should be the norm. People are just too soft these days. Thats why its so rampant. Hacking, especially hacking at a pro level to either win tourney money(online), or tourny invites or to scam people into giving money because your a GM is theft/fraud. Recieving something that you have not earned based on falsehoods. They should be severley punished just like any other criminal.
Perhaps Blizzard are aware of this chap hacking and are going to publicly deal with him upon arrival to the event.
It is not a criminal offence to break an EULA, but they can sue your ass. And what better way to corner a known hacker than by paying for him to walk up to the gallows and tie the noose himself.
I can envision it now... "And please welcome to the stage; Zack! And now lets talk to Zack for the pre match interview: here are your court orders, you're served, son". Epic moment in e-Sports history! Kid gets sued for millions because he hacked in a game! Pretty effective deterrent if you ask me!
On June 06 2012 17:01 goste wrote: Interesting thought...
Perhaps Blizzard are aware of this chap hacking and are going to publicly deal with him upon arrival to the event.
It is not a criminal offence to break an EULA, but they can sue your ass. And what better way to corner a known hacker than by paying for him to walk up to the gallows and tie the noose himself.
I can envision it now... "And please welcome to the stage; Zack! And now lets talk to Zack for the pre match interview: here are your court orders, you're served, son". Epic moment in e-Sports history! Kid gets sued for millions because he hacked in a game! Pretty effective deterrent if you ask me!
... Cost of plane ticket and hotel <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< cost of attorneys retained by a major company
Nobody in their right mind would sink thousands into sueing a tween for violating the terms of service of their video game
... With the exception of the RIAA or MPAA of course ...
On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote: another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers
Correction; an obvious hacker, not another.
This is the first time anyone has presented definitive proof to back up their accusations.
On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote: another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers
Correction; an obvious hacker, not another.
This is the first time I've seen anyone present definitive proof to back up their accusations.
You haven't been reading SC2 general much lately have you ?
On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote: another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers
Correction; an obvious hacker, not another.
This is the first time I've seen anyone present definitive proof to back up their accusations.
You haven't been reading SC2 general much lately have you ?
I was refering to the Spades episode, considering all the personal hate mememolly has going on lately. There was no proof to back up the accusations against Spades, the opening post includes definitive proof for the accusations against this particular user. There's a big difference, in case you haven't noticed.
On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote: another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers
Correction; an obvious hacker, not another.
This is the first time I've seen anyone present definitive proof to back up their accusations.
You haven't been reading SC2 general much lately have you ?
He's basically been trolling around with a new account since yesterday...
On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote: another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers
Correction; an obvious hacker, not another.
This is the first time I've seen anyone present definitive proof to back up their accusations.
You haven't been reading SC2 general much lately have you ?
He's basically been trolling around with a new account since yesterday...
New account? Trolling?
Please elaborate, I've been very serious about this topic and if you think I've been trolling, then there's something you deliberately misunderstand.
On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote: another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers
Correction; an obvious hacker, not another.
This is the first time I've seen anyone present definitive proof to back up their accusations.
You haven't been reading SC2 general much lately have you ?
He's basically been trolling around with a new account since yesterday...
New account? Trolling?
Please elaborate, I've been very serious about this topic and if you think I've been trolling, then there's something you deliberately misunderstand.
On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote: First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim?
Is victim really the right word to use?
don't mind that guy, he was just yesterday braging in "season7 lock" thread how he's bored of having 1500pts and expects promotion to GM, and then somebody looked him up and turns out he's just another mid-masters player
On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote: First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim?
Is victim really the right word to use?
It actually is, because the word victim does not denote innocence, correctness, or faultlessness. A victim is "one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent". So yes they are indeed victims of the esports mob. Whether they deserve or not is not included in his statement.
On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote: another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers
Correction; an obvious hacker, not another.
This is the first time I've seen anyone present definitive proof to back up their accusations.
You haven't been reading SC2 general much lately have you ?
He's basically been trolling around with a new account since yesterday...
New account? Trolling?
Please elaborate, I've been very serious about this topic and if you think I've been trolling, then there's something you deliberately misunderstand.
On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote: First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim?
It's funny how you use the word victim. By your logic Osama Bin Laden, Joseph Fritzl and Adolf Hitler would also be "victims"?
I didn't watch any of the Spades, Impa or Zack replays and you can never be 100% sure of people hacking, but the opinions and reasoning of professional players and the behavior of Spades in Spades-case convinces me about hacking.
On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote: First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim?
It's funny how you use the word victim. By your logic Osama Bin Laden, Joseph Fritzl and Adolf Hitler would also be "victims"?
I didn't watch any of the Spades, Impa or Zack replays and you can never be 100% sure of people hacking, but the opinions and reasoning of professional players and the behavior of Spades in Spades-case convinces me about hacking.
No love for hackers
Except from the tiny difference that there's proof for Zack's actions, there's no proof, as of yet, for Spades' actions, and I don't know about the episode with Impa.
Wow that just shows me that hackers can be very very very stupid.. lucky for us. This dude desserve nothing than hate. And a lesson in pride and honor.
On June 06 2012 17:01 goste wrote: Interesting thought...
Perhaps Blizzard are aware of this chap hacking and are going to publicly deal with him upon arrival to the event.
It is not a criminal offence to break an EULA, but they can sue your ass. And what better way to corner a known hacker than by paying for him to walk up to the gallows and tie the noose himself.
I can envision it now... "And please welcome to the stage; Zack! And now lets talk to Zack for the pre match interview: here are your court orders, you're served, son". Epic moment in e-Sports history! Kid gets sued for millions because he hacked in a game! Pretty effective deterrent if you ask me!
... Cost of plane ticket and hotel <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< cost of attorneys retained by a major company
Nobody in their right mind would sink thousands into sueing a tween for violating the terms of service of their video game
... With the exception of the RIAA or MPAA of course ...
you are missing the point here. it is a lot cheaper to fly the kid to them than it is to fly a bunch of suits out there to serve him. plus they can sue him under american law there (i don't even know where he is from, nor do I care).
And you forget that we are dealing, not with Blizzard here, but Activillain. Ahem... Activision.
I am also aware of the costs that Blizzard will put into protecting their product... it involves several PIs, and multiple lawyers. All for one 17 year old kid who happened to live down the road from me who was making hacks for World of Warcraft back in the classic beta.
So yeah.. I wouldn't put it past them. But it is highly unlikely too.
On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote: First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim?
Is victim really the right word to use?
don't mind that guy, he was just yesterday braging in "season7 lock" thread how he's bored of having 1500pts and expects promotion to GM, and then somebody looked him up and turns out he's just another mid-masters player
Be very careful guys im going to suggest something now which i dont think cheating thickos have the mental capability to work this out.
DONT SPAM HIM LIKE THIS. Please. Let the cheaters go to the event and NOTHING happen to them. Theyll get knocked out.
Heres my Point though.
He could have grounds to say. Blizzard invited me cos they know i cheat and TL/Blizz forums have made me a hate figure and now my life is over. YOU GUYS RUINED MY LIFE
The hatered now is already documented in video/text and as you can see the people in the game know this. the one word here is COMPENSATION. You guys are going to make him rich for the rest of his life.
if you cant see my point here then you have got somone laughing at the other side of his face at the expense of a f£$%^ing game. Please this thread needs to be deleted and we must never speak of these people again.
Its my opinion blizzard have invited him cos they know and . . . well . . . niche gamer communities are pretty hardcore to say the least. Please guys delete this thread before he reads this . . hes probably reading EVERY single post though
Jesus Christ, I hope TL will find a way to deal with these kinds of accusations differently. Hackers should never be tolerated and should be punished / expelled by their teams and their accounts closed, no questions about it. But seriously, haven't you learned from the Spades Case? There is a LEGIT WAY to going about this! Namely, to contact the players team FIRST (in this case HRG) with the evidence and have them settle the matter. You can be sure they will expell him if they conclude on the evidence, because no team will ever cover up a hacker, they couldnt afford that. Posting that sort of stuff in the open just leads to more lynchmobs. Seriously, all these statements like "give him a treat when he shows up" are disgusting. When I read some of these posts, I find myself remembered of Germany in the 30s. I am waiting for the day when a hackers RL info is made public and some people decide to set his car on fire. I always thought TL was a grown up place, but the way (some) people are going about this gives me serious headaches.
On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote: First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim?
Is victim really the right word to use?
don't mind that guy, he was just yesterday braging in "season7 lock" thread how he's bored of having 1500pts and expects promotion to GM, and then somebody looked him up and turns out he's just another mid-masters player
On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote: First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim?
It's funny how you use the word victim. By your logic Osama Bin Laden, Joseph Fritzl and Adolf Hitler would also be "victims"?
I didn't watch any of the Spades, Impa or Zack replays and you can never be 100% sure of people hacking, but the opinions and reasoning of professional players and the behavior of Spades in Spades-case convinces me about hacking.
No love for hackers
In a certain way they are victims, emm.. ok they aren't... Anyway, it doesn't bring anything important to this discussion.
Let me try to explain it in the other way around. Let's imagine that tomorrow, I'll make a new account on TL under an other IP address and post some replays of a pro which have been faked or just accuse some luck based decision of the pro as maphacking, and not only 1 replay, but a series of replays that I have studied and analysed. Once I have done that, I will accuse all the luck based moments as hacking, this will lead to a 100-200 page discussion ruining the pro's carrier before you actually figure out that it's fake and he's not guilty of hacking. For now you have been lucky with getting 3 hackers, but tomorrow you might ruin the carrier of an innocent and fair pro.
I dont think ppl at blizz knew he was hacking coz tey would've banned him. And they made a huuuge mistake. You should just stigmatize him if he ever goes to mlg this weekend, and also catch it on camera. Kidnap him or something then post it on a site: "known hacker had the guts to show his face at lan. we made sure and cut it out ^_^" Obviously j/k )
On June 06 2012 08:04 QuanticIllusion wrote: I knew something was fishy bout him..
Atleast he can't hack on lan without getting owned by blizzard ~_~
Actually, yes. There was a situation some time ago, not blizzard tournament, but MLG in World of Warcraft, but in WoW tournaments then, blizzard was represented because they were hosting the servers.
There was a guy, who had a macro that basically sent so much information from his mac address that it would DC him, which he did in a game. Not going to say the name, don't want to cause drama, just to point out that hackers have been spotted at tournaments and they haven't done anything about it. If you investigate into it, you will probably figure out who it is.
On June 06 2012 17:51 Anvil666 wrote: Jesus Christ, I hope TL will find a way to deal with these kinds of accusations differently. Hackers should never be tolerated and should be punished / expelled by their teams and their accounts closed, no questions about it. But seriously, haven't you learned from the Spades Case? There is a LEGIT WAY to going about this! Namely, to contact the players team FIRST (in this case HRG) with the evidence and have them settle the matter. You can be sure they will expell him if they conclude on the evidence, because no team will ever cover up a hacker, they couldnt afford that. Posting that sort of stuff in the open just leads to more lynchmobs. Seriously, all these statements like "give him a treat when he shows up" are disgusting. When I read some of these posts, I find myself remembered of Germany in the 30s. I am waiting for the day when a hackers RL info is made public and some people decide to set his car on fire. I always thought TL was a grown up place, but the way (some) people are going about this gives me serious headaches.
Exactly.. and until the admins start trying to curb this behavior by closing such threads, its almost as if they condone the behavior. This is going to keep happening unless they take a stance on it. Doing nothing about it is basically saying this irrational mobbing of potential hackers is fine... I'll be disappointed in TL if this is allowed to continue because it's not fair to the accused and I think it's damaging the scene.
On June 06 2012 17:51 Anvil666 wrote: Jesus Christ, I hope TL will find a way to deal with these kinds of accusations differently. Hackers should never be tolerated and should be punished / expelled by their teams and their accounts closed, no questions about it. But seriously, haven't you learned from the Spades Case? There is a LEGIT WAY to going about this! Namely, to contact the players team FIRST (in this case HRG) with the evidence and have them settle the matter. You can be sure they will expell him if they conclude on the evidence, because no team will ever cover up a hacker, they couldnt afford that. Posting that sort of stuff in the open just leads to more lynchmobs. Seriously, all these statements like "give him a treat when he shows up" are disgusting. When I read some of these posts, I find myself remembered of Germany in the 30s. I am waiting for the day when a hackers RL info is made public and some people decide to set his car on fire. I always thought TL was a grown up place, but the way (some) people are going about this gives me serious headaches.
That's what I've been saying for a couple of days now, but I've gotten responses like "omg troll, haha, u defend teh hackz, but there's evidence!!"
On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote: another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers
Correction; an obvious hacker, not another.
This is the first time anyone has presented definitive proof to back up their accusations.
No, it's not, go read the "GM maphackers growing: Impa" thread. Plenty of people being outed for being hackers with definitive proof.
On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote: another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers
Correction; an obvious hacker, not another.
This is the first time anyone has presented definitive proof to back up their accusations.
No, it's not, go read the "GM maphackers growing: Impa" thread. Plenty of people being outed for being hackers with definitive proof.
I'll go ahead and repeat myself for you, again. I was refering to the Spades thread and I haven't been around for long so I haven't looked into the Impa thread, yet. Sorry, thought I had edited the post.
On June 06 2012 18:23 Zenislev wrote: Exactly.. and until the admins start trying to curb this behavior by closing such threads, its almost as if they condone the behavior. This is going to keep happening unless they take a stance on it. Doing nothing about it is basically saying this irrational mobbing of potential hackers is fine... I'll be disappointed in TL if this is allowed to continue because it's not fair to the accused and I think it's damaging the scene.
Right. I simply can't get my head around it that they let the Spades thread derail in such a way. The TL admins of all people should know better than to open up the thread after they closed it because they had "new evidence" in form of a pros opinion (illusion). They just put a badge up there saying "be careful with your accusations"... and then they just let the hate continue. Spades apparently received death threats, his life must be hell right now. And there isn't even any non-controversial evidence yet that he did hack. And even though the OP here proves 100% that the Zack kid hacked, he just should've let the admins of the tournament and the team know and let them settle the issue. This whole thing just shows, unfortunately, that the SC community isn't quite as mature as it prides itself to be.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, maybe someone should start a new thread about this. Unfortunately, I have been procrastinating from my master's thesis for faaar too long now :D
Blizzard do not care about cheaters, they are too busy with Diablo 3 I don't think blizzard have banned a single one since few months after release I personally know a hacker (former member of my clan) and he got caught and admitted to hacking more than 6 months ago and his account is still active Blizzard DO NOT CARE There is no financial incentive to do anything about cheating for blizzard
On June 06 2012 17:51 Anvil666 wrote: Jesus Christ, I hope TL will find a way to deal with these kinds of accusations differently. Hackers should never be tolerated and should be punished / expelled by their teams and their accounts closed, no questions about it. But seriously, haven't you learned from the Spades Case? There is a LEGIT WAY to going about this! Namely, to contact the players team FIRST (in this case HRG) with the evidence and have them settle the matter. You can be sure they will expell him if they conclude on the evidence, because no team will ever cover up a hacker, they couldnt afford that. Posting that sort of stuff in the open just leads to more lynchmobs. Seriously, all these statements like "give him a treat when he shows up" are disgusting. When I read some of these posts, I find myself remembered of Germany in the 30s. I am waiting for the day when a hackers RL info is made public and some people decide to set his car on fire. I always thought TL was a grown up place, but the way (some) people are going about this gives me serious headaches.
In a way, I'd agree. Just a way to bring order to the accusations, instead of just allowing anyone to throw stuff around and yell and scream. Unfortunately, blizzard doesn't seem very interested in handling the hacking situation so it comes down to the community to crack down on this. It'd be better for TL to moderate it somehow, which I'm under the impression that they're doing, given the post made by RaGe;
It's likely we'll make a statement on the entire situation (not just the drama itself, but also the way it was handled) in the coming days.
I'm absolutely fine with people getting mad about people like this being invited to a WCS, but making outlandish statements like "Let's kidnap/hurt him at the event!" is pretty stupid. We can handle this without threatening people's safety.
Jesus christ... With that hack obviously being so accessible and sort of easy to get away with, I wonder how many people I play on the ladder that actually hacks...
On June 06 2012 18:40 Meatex wrote: There is no financial incentive to do anything about cheating for blizzard
Not sure about that, most hackers will buy another account and install the updated hack, which would cover the additional policing costs at least. The others will go away making the honest player base happier, meaning more sales for HoTS etc. Pleanty of financial incentive there, tbh I'm not sure why they don't get out the ban hammer, and not this 1 month ban rubbish, that achieves nothing. Its the same in other games though, eg. BF3 has a huge hacking problem, they just reset stats rather than banning accounts. Must be some court somewhere that doesn't let them?
I see no threads on blizzard forums about hacking issues. Blizzard actually read more their own forum than TL. Someone should post this there to remind them.
I hope Blizz Does not let him Join, It just not fair for us players Practicing hard to get into gm and him who uses hack to be given FREE ticket and hotel
On June 06 2012 20:10 Chakoi wrote: Most hackers are NA =.=
Why is this
I think there is a metric fuckton of European and Asian/Korean hackers as well. What's unique for NA though are the Deezer / Combat-ex duo though.. One of the most fantastic SC2 stories that showed peoples dedication to the game was Deezer who changed his complete life cycle and sleep schedule after another person in order to stream snipe them. He just glues himself to the screen for days. Apparently he even got a low diamond account in order to snipe destiny when playing on a new account.. Holy moly.
It surprises me that blizzard didnt add a clause saying that accepting the invitation and ticket to WCS, especially when you gain the invite from your ladder-ranking, means that you verify that you haven't used any hacks or whatever to get you that rank, and if it is found out that you were using a hack blizzard can require the money for the ticket back in order to give it to a more deserving player...
On June 06 2012 17:44 StatixEx wrote: Be very careful guys im going to suggest something now which i dont think cheating thickos have the mental capability to work this out.
DONT SPAM HIM LIKE THIS. Please. Let the cheaters go to the event and NOTHING happen to them. Theyll get knocked out.
Heres my Point though.
He could have grounds to say. Blizzard invited me cos they know i cheat and TL/Blizz forums have made me a hate figure and now my life is over. YOU GUYS RUINED MY LIFE
The hatered now is already documented in video/text and as you can see the people in the game know this. the one word here is COMPENSATION. You guys are going to make him rich for the rest of his life.
if you cant see my point here then you have got somone laughing at the other side of his face at the expense of a f£$%^ing game. Please this thread needs to be deleted and we must never speak of these people again.
Its my opinion blizzard have invited him cos they know and . . . well . . . niche gamer communities are pretty hardcore to say the least. Please guys delete this thread before he reads this . . hes probably reading EVERY single post though
On June 06 2012 08:56 Schickysc wrote: I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this, as I haven't read the whole thread, but at 9:48ish, he zooms his camera in, and doesn't realize it/zoom out till 11:06 ish of the second replay (tal'darim). Is this a possible side effect of the maphack? Maybe a cause of binding a feature of the maphack to the scroll wheel?
lol ^ this
have we heard from the player? does he frequent these forums i wonder?
This could potentially be extraordinarily hilarious, like if he were to go there, try to log in for his first match, and find his account banned for maphacking in front of everybody.
On June 06 2012 17:44 StatixEx wrote: Be very careful guys im going to suggest something now which i dont think cheating thickos have the mental capability to work this out.
DONT SPAM HIM LIKE THIS. Please. Let the cheaters go to the event and NOTHING happen to them. Theyll get knocked out.
Heres my Point though.
He could have grounds to say. Blizzard invited me cos they know i cheat and TL/Blizz forums have made me a hate figure and now my life is over. YOU GUYS RUINED MY LIFE
The hatered now is already documented in video/text and as you can see the people in the game know this. the one word here is COMPENSATION. You guys are going to make him rich for the rest of his life.
if you cant see my point here then you have got somone laughing at the other side of his face at the expense of a f£$%^ing game. Please this thread needs to be deleted and we must never speak of these people again.
Its my opinion blizzard have invited him cos they know and . . . well . . . niche gamer communities are pretty hardcore to say the least. Please guys delete this thread before he reads this . . hes probably reading EVERY single post though
What shrooms are you taking? I'd like some of that. He's a hate figure because he cheated in a sporting event. I doubt he'll get any sympathies. You don't get compensation for being a hate figure - sorry. I highly doubt he'll get rich.
This thread should most definitely not be deleted. It's extremely important to highlight hackers and make sure they're banished from the community and future tournaments. He was top of NA ladder. That's how he got in and he hacked his way up there. He's illegitimately taking an aspiring pro's spot in a tournament. He's an asshole and deserves anything he gets as long as it doesn't go as far as physical violence.
On June 06 2012 20:10 Chakoi wrote: Most hackers are NA =.=
Why is this
I'm sure there's plenty over here on EU as well, just they're smart and don't get caught.
I hope it's only a matter of time until we can catch them as well. I hope online tournaments will require some sort of program that lets you scan your computer for hacks, also with 5-10 min stream delay to prevent stream cheating. Also really stupid by Blizzard by inviting people based on ladder rank and points when so many hacks as well, I can't believe they didn't calculate into that when they planned this. But then again we've had so many problem with LAN and disconnects in finals as well, even though they attended they didn't seem to care at first. Now we'll get something in HotS that lets you reconnect at least, I hope we get the same for these hacking issues.
I expect only a few would actually stand up to him physically, maybe a sucker punch and beatdown from a mob, no real SC figureheads would be involved because it is wrong and illegal, it's not illegal to hack, the punishment for it should be exclusion and shunning like inControl said.
Remember violence breeds hatred and hatred breeds violence. I'd rather have this guy attend this LAN, be given no attention except for odd fuck you's, your a prick, your a hacker GTFO, manner mules and unit dancing, watch him get 0-2'ed out of the competition after getting crushed by un-scouted 3-3 carriers because he can't scout without MH, and if that guy has a shred of decency in him he should have an ephiphany that being a hacker/outsider in his chosen community is not for him, and will mature and eventually be good for the community(as he cant be a terrible player to hit GM even with hacks, prob an ok player actually, not semi-pro but still decent), or he will not grow up, continue to knock his head on the door until he passes out or moves on to ruin another game.
On the other hand, a violent confrontation has the following consequences: 1(Obvious): Physical Injury....need i explain? I could also include compensation for bullying tactics(which is essentially what the TL community is essentially suggesting here from a legal standpoint) 2. Press Disaster.....people involved will be banned, police/lawyers may be involved, going to drain money from everyone's coffers and also be a black stain on our up-and coming industry. 3. Loss of Business....sponsors will be scared off, venues wont want to host or wont do as good deals, generally the 2 easiest ways to burn bridges in anything you do in life is to cause controversy and to attack your contacts.
Finally to conclude, I'd like to say that hackers are not always terrible people. I know that everyone of us has issues with the game, and Starcraft in particular is such a mental game, that I see cases of hackers such as this not as malpractice, but more of a giving in of a player to their ultimate fantasy of being an amazing player and not having the willpower or talent to get their on their own skills. It's like the forbidden fruit and its temptation is mystifying for those of us who grind as much as we can to be the best we can be, but makes sense if you cannot stand the realization that you can't be #1.
On June 06 2012 17:44 StatixEx wrote: Be very careful guys im going to suggest something now which i dont think cheating thickos have the mental capability to work this out.
DONT SPAM HIM LIKE THIS. Please. Let the cheaters go to the event and NOTHING happen to them. Theyll get knocked out.
Heres my Point though.
He could have grounds to say. Blizzard invited me cos they know i cheat and TL/Blizz forums have made me a hate figure and now my life is over. YOU GUYS RUINED MY LIFE
The hatered now is already documented in video/text and as you can see the people in the game know this. the one word here is COMPENSATION. You guys are going to make him rich for the rest of his life.
if you cant see my point here then you have got somone laughing at the other side of his face at the expense of a f£$%^ing game. Please this thread needs to be deleted and we must never speak of these people again.
Its my opinion blizzard have invited him cos they know and . . . well . . . niche gamer communities are pretty hardcore to say the least. Please guys delete this thread before he reads this . . hes probably reading EVERY single post though
What shrooms are you taking? I'd like some of that. He's a hate figure because he cheated in a sporting event. I doubt he'll get any sympathies. You don't get compensation for being a hate figure - sorry. I highly doubt he'll get rich.
This thread should most definitely not be deleted. It's extremely important to highlight hackers and make sure they're banished from the community and future tournaments. He was top of NA ladder. That's how he got in and he hacked his way up there. He's illegitimately taking an aspiring pro's spot in a tournament. He's an asshole and deserves anything he gets as long as it doesn't go as far as physical violence.
On June 06 2012 21:18 GeNeSiDe wrote: "Niche gamer communities are hardcore"?
I expect only a few would actually stand up to him physically, maybe a sucker punch and beatdown from a mob, no real SC figureheads would be involved because it is wrong and illegal, it's not illegal to hack, the punishment for it should be exclusion and shunning like inControl said.
Remember violence breeds hatred and hatred breeds violence. I'd rather have this guy attend this LAN, be given no attention except for odd fuck you's, your a prick, your a hacker GTFO, manner mules and unit dancing, watch him get 0-2'ed out of the competition after getting crushed by un-scouted 3-3 carriers because he can't scout without MH, and if that guy has a shred of decency in him he should have an ephiphany that being a hacker/outsider in his chosen community is not for him, and will mature and eventually be good for the community(as he cant be a terrible player to hit GM even with hacks, prob an ok player actually, not semi-pro but still decent), or he will not grow up, continue to knock his head on the door until he passes out or moves on to ruin another game.
On the other hand, a violent confrontation has the following consequences: 1(Obvious): Physical Injury....need i explain? I could also include compensation for bullying tactics(which is essentially what the TL community is essentially suggesting here from a legal standpoint) 2. Press Disaster.....people involved will be banned, police/lawyers may be involved, going to drain money from everyone's coffers and also be a black stain on our up-and coming industry. 3. Loss of Business....sponsors will be scared off, venues wont want to host or wont do as good deals, generally the 2 easiest ways to burn bridges in anything you do in life is to cause controversy and to attack your contacts.
Finally to conclude, I'd like to say that hackers are not always terrible people. I know that everyone of us has issues with the game, and Starcraft in particular is such a mental game, that I see cases of hackers such as this not as malpractice, but more of a giving in of a player to their ultimate fantasy of being an amazing player and not having the willpower or talent to get their on their own skills. It's like the forbidden fruit and its temptation is mystifying for those of us who grind as much as we can to be the best we can be, but makes sense if you cannot stand the realization that you can't be #1.
Dude this is a gaming community.. None's going to hit him, and he will absolutely not show up to the event.
On June 06 2012 21:18 GeNeSiDe wrote: "Niche gamer communities are hardcore"?
I expect only a few would actually stand up to him physically, maybe a sucker punch and beatdown from a mob, no real SC figureheads would be involved because it is wrong and illegal, it's not illegal to hack, the punishment for it should be exclusion and shunning like inControl said.
Remember violence breeds hatred and hatred breeds violence. I'd rather have this guy attend this LAN, be given no attention except for odd fuck you's, your a prick, your a hacker GTFO, manner mules and unit dancing, watch him get 0-2'ed out of the competition after getting crushed by un-scouted 3-3 carriers because he can't scout without MH, and if that guy has a shred of decency in him he should have an ephiphany that being a hacker/outsider in his chosen community is not for him, and will mature and eventually be good for the community(as he cant be a terrible player to hit GM even with hacks, prob an ok player actually, not semi-pro but still decent), or he will not grow up, continue to knock his head on the door until he passes out or moves on to ruin another game.
On the other hand, a violent confrontation has the following consequences: 1(Obvious): Physical Injury....need i explain? I could also include compensation for bullying tactics(which is essentially what the TL community is essentially suggesting here from a legal standpoint) 2. Press Disaster.....people involved will be banned, police/lawyers may be involved, going to drain money from everyone's coffers and also be a black stain on our up-and coming industry. 3. Loss of Business....sponsors will be scared off, venues wont want to host or wont do as good deals, generally the 2 easiest ways to burn bridges in anything you do in life is to cause controversy and to attack your contacts.
Finally to conclude, I'd like to say that hackers are not always terrible people. I know that everyone of us has issues with the game, and Starcraft in particular is such a mental game, that I see cases of hackers such as this not as malpractice, but more of a giving in of a player to their ultimate fantasy of being an amazing player and not having the willpower or talent to get their on their own skills. It's like the forbidden fruit and its temptation is mystifying for those of us who grind as much as we can to be the best we can be, but makes sense if you cannot stand the realization that you can't be #1.
Dude this is a gaming community.. None's going to hit him, and he will absolutely not show up to the event.
Have you read this whole thread? The internet is screaming for his blood.
List me all the physical confrontations in SC2 since the beta... exactly, NONE. Please stfu about learning this guy a lesson by beating him or something. And he won't show on the tourney, he saw the thread and won't come.
To all the people who are saying we should beat him up and whatnot, that's not how this works. You get him kicked off his team and hated by everyone, that's what we want. Make him never want to show his face around here again.
To those saying this is a witch hunt and defending the hackers and whatnot, this cannot be allowed to fly. We do need to pursue these guys, because if not then that's pretty much saying hacking is fine by us. iCCup had Antihack, but there's nothing like that in SC2, and without it we need to make an example of people who think bending the rules is fine now that there's nothing to stop them. Show the world that these things don't work, and they will eventually stop cropping up.
I pretty much just paraphrased iNControL there. Whoops.
Obviously they're aware and they're going to find a method in fixing this.
They cannot let a big e-sports game get ruined by these type of players..
I just hope they will update us and whether if they found something to stop this type of thing.. because it's not good for the community
like LoL where people were abusing mastery bug, most of you prob wouldn't know this but they fixed it pretty fast and perma ban them.
Maybe blizzard should find methods and perma ban them and make them buy the game again if they want to play... This will not be tolerated
What is worth having people who don't deserve ____ to get such privilege.. This is just going to spread and make people do the same thing if they can get that far by cheating
well he shouldn't show up, unless he wants to provoke someone in hopes of getting beaten up and sue them lol. Guess the old how to handle cheaters doesn't work on such a great event. Would be funny to read the news though "Cheater got all his technical possession destroyed after being invited to an event."
And we thought inviting LS was bad, ha. Blizz should release a micro transaction AH program and ladder, Activision would be interested in that for sure. In the getting money part that is. To be fair I think they have good AH all ready, they are just saving it for Legacy of the Void.
Well done to SniXSniPe for highlighting this issue. We need the root out these hackers, they are a blight on the SC2 scene and make a mockery of all those players who have spent a lot of genuine time and effort on this game.
Interestingly, according to a preliminary bracket for the NA WCS qualifiers, Idra may face Spades in the first round and the winner could face Zack!
Wasn't one of blizzards main arguments for battle.net 0.2 was that they would be able to detect and deal with hackers officially and better rather than having the vigilante justice from bw.
lol blink hack... You gotta be pretty stupid to use this at a high level and think you're not gonna get caught. Still pretty disgusting, more and more of these hacking stories these days, it's pretty sad
Have you ever actually seen the North American Grand Masters ranking? You're from the UK, we get it, you love tea and you hate the United States, but I'd love to see your diamond level players beat YOUR Grand Masters level players. I'm sure Demuslim would appreciate the offer, perhaps you can set up a $1,000 show match with your own money.
Have you ever actually seen the North American Grand Masters ranking? You're from the UK, we get it, you love tea and you hate the United States, but I'd love to see your diamond level players beat YOUR Grand Masters level players. I'm sure Demuslim would appreciate the offer, perhaps you can set up a $1,000 show match with your own money.
Have you ever actually seen the North American Grand Masters ranking? You're from the UK, we get it, you love tea and you hate the United States, but I'd love to see your diamond level players beat YOUR Grand Masters level players. I'm sure Demuslim would appreciate the offer, perhaps you can set up a $1,000 show match with your own money.
Racist much?
It's widely accepted fact that KR>EU>NA.
He doesn't know that fact. Damn that guys is srsly stereotypical racist.. I hope he gets warned for his post
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Have you ever actually seen the North American Grand Masters ranking? You're from the UK, we get it, you love tea and you hate the United States, but I'd love to see your diamond level players beat YOUR Grand Masters level players. I'm sure Demuslim would appreciate the offer, perhaps you can set up a $1,000 show match with your own money.
Racist much?
It's widely accepted fact that KR>EU>NA.
Still, sayin that NA GM = EU diamond/masters is retarted, no one in his right mind actually believes this
Have you ever actually seen the North American Grand Masters ranking? You're from the UK, we get it, you love tea and you hate the United States, but I'd love to see your diamond level players beat YOUR Grand Masters level players. I'm sure Demuslim would appreciate the offer, perhaps you can set up a $1,000 show match with your own money.
Racist much?
It's widely accepted fact that KR>EU>NA.
He doesn't know that fact. Damn that guys is srsly stereotypical racist.. I hope he gets warned for his post
Aren't they supposed to have a superior education system in Europe? Stop picking on the UK race gais.
On June 06 2012 23:23 Chakoi wrote: I just watched the 2 replays.. I find that enough proof. Some things are retardedly obvious.
You can not perfectly hide map hack.
Ironically the thing that's supposed to make it less obvious that you are map hacking is the thing you look for the most to see if somebody is hacking.
Have you ever actually seen the North American Grand Masters ranking? You're from the UK, we get it, you love tea and you hate the United States, but I'd love to see your diamond level players beat YOUR Grand Masters level players. I'm sure Demuslim would appreciate the offer, perhaps you can set up a $1,000 show match with your own money.
Racist much?
It's widely accepted fact that KR>EU>NA.
He doesn't know that fact. Damn that guys is srsly stereotypical racist.. I hope he gets warned for his post
.....
You're the same race. How is saying you like tea any worse than saying North Americans are stereotypically worse than Europeans.
On June 06 2012 08:19 rufflesQueso wrote: With the recent drama, it has become apparent how ridiculously easy and prevalent hacking is in SC2...
If this guy shows up, please don't verbally or physically abuse this guy. He's still a human being. Chances are, he probably won't show up now that this thread has been posted.
If he does, just ignore the crap out of him and make it obvious that he's not welcomed.
On June 06 2012 08:12 lulutheking wrote: Come on guys, if he goes to WCS pls, beat the shit out of him, make him feel he is not welcome by the community. Let him be an example of what future cheaters deserve
i agree with this you guys should kick his ass !
This is unacceptable. Violence is never the answer.
stop being a pussy. fuck his ass up if he shows. people dont waste there time working hard for ppl to cut line. kid wants to fuck with teh big dogs and there pay checks? slit his god damn throat. or be a pussy and let the bully take your lunch money
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
As a person of Irish, English, and Germanic descent, I'm not really sure any of that applies in such a way that it makes me a different race.
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
Yeah European is a race, but being from the UK isn't. He was only talking about the UK not the Europe as a whole.
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
Whaaaat? north american and european are races? Bitch, please... white north americans are from europe, don't post this kind of crap. This whole discussion is entirely irrelevant.
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
Whaaaat? north american and european are races? Bitch, please... white north americans are from europe, don't post this kind of crap. This whole discussion is entirely irrelevant.
Europeans are from Africa. So with your logic there is no such thing as Europeans they are just Africans.
On June 06 2012 23:30 Chakoi wrote: Don't see me talking shit about the United States do you. Why? Because I love all countries not matter what the people are like.
But everyone loves the United States....right? 'Merica!!!!!
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
Whaaaat? north american and european are races? Bitch, please... white north americans are from europe, don't post this kind of crap. This whole discussion is entirely irrelevant.
Europeans are from Africa. So with your logic there is no such thing as Europeans they are just Africans.
On June 06 2012 20:10 Chakoi wrote: Most hackers are NA =.=
Why is this
I don't hink so. We only about 3-5 incidents so far, so that doesn't mean anything.
I think it just wishful thinking if you believe that your servers don't have them as well. It would stand to reason that its probably equally prevalent on all servers.
Guys, back on topic please? This is turning into a racism thread and not a maphacking thread. Where the ladders are is a cool topic for another thread, and what a race is should go in general >.<
On June 06 2012 23:30 Chakoi wrote: Don't see me talking shit about the United States do you. Why? Because I love all countries not matter what the people are like.
Thanks for the videos OP. Its pretty obvious this guy hacks. Its sad that Blizzard does not take hacking more seriously. At least hacks are't as bad as they got in wc3 where you could build indestructible ancients and things like that, YET. I almost wonder if blizzard should develop an addon that would be able to scan your memory. A program like this would be totally voluntary to enable, but you must enable it if you want to participate in things like WCS. This is the only solution, imo.
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
Whaaaat? north american and european are races? Bitch, please... white north americans are from europe, don't post this kind of crap. This whole discussion is entirely irrelevant.
Europeans are from Africa. So with your logic there is no such thing as Europeans they are just Africans.
On June 06 2012 10:09 Caihead wrote: TL mods need to start permenantly banning people for threats of violence and irresponsible use of force / assault. This is just getting out of hand. Just because someone else committed a crime and has not yet recieved trial and punishment doesn't give any person the right to say things like this, especially when threats of violence and force are crimes in themselves regardless of how irrelevant or "ironic" the comment is.
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
Whaaaat? north american and european are races? Bitch, please... white north americans are from europe, don't post this kind of crap. This whole discussion is entirely irrelevant.
Europeans are from Africa. So with your logic there is no such thing as Europeans they are just Africans.
I speak english, so i have no idea what the fuck you just linked me.
Some Nazi-like map with a very racist view of humans putting them into different "races". Btw races are not modern anymore between humans. We are the HUMAN RACE. end of story.
Geez. I casted one of Zack's games a long while ago, and was wondering the whole time how the hell he was in GM (or, at least, getting matched against them). Makes a lot more sense now.
On June 07 2012 00:00 GeNeSiDe wrote: We are going off track because the video evidence is so overwhelming it can't be plausibly denied!
Surely someone will defend it? Probably someone will join tomorrow and proclaim his innocence. That seems to be what happens...
Well, this guy is using the auto-blink hack. No way anyone will defend this, it's just impossible.
Exactly, unlike with Spades, someone has found definitive proof in "Zack's" play.
Not only that, but if he doesn't show up to the LAN its pretty suspicious, concidering its all paid for.
If he DOES show, proof is in his play at the event. Would be sweet sweet justice to watch him get destroyed at a live event and laughed out of the place.
On June 07 2012 00:00 GeNeSiDe wrote: We are going off track because the video evidence is so overwhelming it can't be plausibly denied!
Surely someone will defend it? Probably someone will join tomorrow and proclaim his innocence. That seems to be what happens...
Well, this guy is using the auto-blink hack. No way anyone will defend this, it's just impossible.
Exactly, unlike with Spades, someone has found definitive proof in "Zack's" play.
Not only that, but if he doesn't show up to the LAN its pretty suspicious, concidering its all paid for.
If he DOES show, proof is in his play at the event. Would be sweet sweet justice to watch him get destroyed at a live event and laughed out of the place.
Assuming that he does know about all the attention he's getting, haha.
The scary thing is that if this guy wasn't stupid enough to use the auto-blink feature, people would be defending him as 'just playing bad, got lucky, you are seeing what you want to see' like with the Spades incident.
On June 07 2012 00:36 zefreak wrote: The scary thing is that if this guy wasn't stupid enough to use the auto-blink feature, people would be defending him as 'just playing bad, got lucky, you are seeing what you want to see' like with the Spades incident.
Yeah, but atleast we're not blindly crucifying potential innocent people.
On June 07 2012 00:36 zefreak wrote: The scary thing is that if this guy wasn't stupid enough to use the auto-blink feature, people would be defending him as 'just playing bad, got lucky, you are seeing what you want to see' like with the Spades incident.
Yeah, but atleast we're not blindly crucifying potential innocent people.
Yeah, at least this guy is literally doing the impossible. It's not just pretty damning, it is definitively damning.
On June 07 2012 00:36 zefreak wrote: The scary thing is that if this guy wasn't stupid enough to use the auto-blink feature, people would be defending him as 'just playing bad, got lucky, you are seeing what you want to see' like with the Spades incident.
Yeah, but atleast we're not blindly crucifying potential innocent people.
Yeah, at least this guy is literally doing the impossible. It's not just pretty damning, it is definitively damning.
I hope you realize that it takes little to no investigation, in order to conclude Stalkers that automatically cast Blink is definitive proof of hacking.
On June 07 2012 00:36 zefreak wrote: The scary thing is that if this guy wasn't stupid enough to use the auto-blink feature, people would be defending him as 'just playing bad, got lucky, you are seeing what you want to see' like with the Spades incident.
Yeah, but atleast we're not blindly crucifying potential innocent people.
Yeah, at least this guy is literally doing the impossible. It's not just pretty damning, it is definitively damning.
I hope you realize that it takes little to no investigation, in order to conclude Stalkers that automatically cast Blink is definitive proof of hacking.
I realized. Hence my statement of affirmation: Yeah, at least this guy is literally doing the impossible. It's not just pretty damning, it is definitively damning.
On June 07 2012 00:36 zefreak wrote: The scary thing is that if this guy wasn't stupid enough to use the auto-blink feature, people would be defending him as 'just playing bad, got lucky, you are seeing what you want to see' like with the Spades incident.
Yeah, but atleast we're not blindly crucifying potential innocent people.
Yeah, at least this guy is literally doing the impossible. It's not just pretty damning, it is definitively damning.
I hope you realize that it takes little to no investigation, in order to conclude Stalkers that automatically cast Blink is definitive proof of hacking.
I realized. Hence my statement of affirmation: Yeah, at least this guy is literally doing the impossible. It's not just pretty damning, it is definitively damning.
Haha, I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean, then. English is not a language I speak often. Sorry again!
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
Whaaaat? north american and european are races? Bitch, please... white north americans are from europe, don't post this kind of crap. This whole discussion is entirely irrelevant.
Europeans are from Africa. So with your logic there is no such thing as Europeans they are just Africans.
On June 07 2012 00:00 GeNeSiDe wrote: We are going off track because the video evidence is so overwhelming it can't be plausibly denied!
Surely someone will defend it? Probably someone will join tomorrow and proclaim his innocence. That seems to be what happens...
Well, this guy is using the auto-blink hack. No way anyone will defend this, it's just impossible.
Exactly, unlike with Spades, someone has found definitive proof in "Zack's" play.
Not only that, but if he doesn't show up to the LAN its pretty suspicious, concidering its all paid for.
If he DOES show, proof is in his play at the event. Would be sweet sweet justice to watch him get destroyed at a live event and laughed out of the place.
Assuming that he does know about all the attention he's getting, haha.
I actually think it would be the BEST if he had no clue all this buzz happened about him. Then he actually might show up and make a fool of himself. It would be satisfying to watch, especially if he is as BM as incontrol says.
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
Whaaaat? north american and european are races? Bitch, please... white north americans are from europe, don't post this kind of crap. This whole discussion is entirely irrelevant.
Europeans are from Africa. So with your logic there is no such thing as Europeans they are just Africans.
We're all Homo Sapiens
Hey hey hey. Calm down there Dr.Mengele.. I'm protoss and proud.
Seriously though why in the holy fuck are you talking about races?
On June 07 2012 00:00 GeNeSiDe wrote: We are going off track because the video evidence is so overwhelming it can't be plausibly denied!
Surely someone will defend it? Probably someone will join tomorrow and proclaim his innocence. That seems to be what happens...
Well, this guy is using the auto-blink hack. No way anyone will defend this, it's just impossible.
It is just crazy blatant, and the youtube video that pauses on the 550 apm when he averages like 70 the rest of the game is hilarious. I know that my blink micro is one of my strongest parts of my gameplay (years of practice with WC3 burrow micro) and it can increase somewhat, but never near 550. Let alone that he is 1a'ing and the blink micro isn't even good. Just... fast.
I hope this guy gets his invite revoked, and blizzard sues him to recoup the cost of the ticket/hotel. Maybe blizzard won't make money on that suit, but it would send a nice message.
Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
On June 07 2012 00:00 GeNeSiDe wrote: We are going off track because the video evidence is so overwhelming it can't be plausibly denied!
Surely someone will defend it? Probably someone will join tomorrow and proclaim his innocence. That seems to be what happens...
Well, this guy is using the auto-blink hack. No way anyone will defend this, it's just impossible.
It is just crazy blatant, and the youtube video that pauses on the 550 apm when he averages like 70 the rest of the game is hilarious. I know that my blink micro is one of my strongest parts of my gameplay (years of practice with WC3 burrow micro) and it can increase somewhat, but never near 550. Let alone that he is 1a'ing and the blink micro isn't even good. Just... fast.
I hope this guy gets his invite revoked, and blizzard sues him to recoup the cost of the ticket/hotel. Maybe blizzard won't make money on that suit, but it would send a nice message.
I admit, I haven't looked at the replay, however, I've heard people say that he's using auto-Blink hack, which is included in the infamous maphack that everyone is using. However, the game does not recognize the auto-Blink as actions, so if his APM is extremely high, it might indicate that he's not hacking after all, unless he's doing something third, WHILE the Stalkers are doing their thing. Anyway, I'll look at a replay right away and I'll come back to confirm whether or not he's using the hack I'm familiar with.
Update: 3 seconds into the replay and I believe that he's using the infamous maphack everyone's been talking about lately. Reason being, I checked the games. funny as it sounds, the hack auto-target all 6 of his Probes and sends them to the mineral field, it then auto-target the Nexus, applies it to hotkey [3] and then places a rally point on-top of the mineral field. Obviously, this is not definitive proof, but it's characteristic for this particular hack we're talking about.
Update: the auto-Blink is hilarious. Nothing to say, really, but this one's a dead giveaway. Oh, and notice how his Nexus is automatically building Probes, he's not even targeting it.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
On June 07 2012 00:00 GeNeSiDe wrote: We are going off track because the video evidence is so overwhelming it can't be plausibly denied!
Surely someone will defend it? Probably someone will join tomorrow and proclaim his innocence. That seems to be what happens...
Well, this guy is using the auto-blink hack. No way anyone will defend this, it's just impossible.
It is just crazy blatant, and the youtube video that pauses on the 550 apm when he averages like 70 the rest of the game is hilarious. I know that my blink micro is one of my strongest parts of my gameplay (years of practice with WC3 burrow micro) and it can increase somewhat, but never near 550. Let alone that he is 1a'ing and the blink micro isn't even good. Just... fast.
I hope this guy gets his invite revoked, and blizzard sues him to recoup the cost of the ticket/hotel. Maybe blizzard won't make money on that suit, but it would send a nice message.
I admit, I haven't looked at the replay, however, I've heard people say that he's using auto-Blink hack, which is included in the infamous maphack that everyone is using. However, the game does not recognize the auto-Blink as actions, so if his APM is extremely high, it might indicate that he's not hacking after all, unless he's doing something third, WHILE the Stalkers are doing their thing. Anyway, I'll look at a replay right away and I'll come back to confirm whether or not he's using the hack I'm familiar with.
Race /rās/ Noun: Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
UK is not a race, and if you even bothered to look at the damned rankings, you'd see the majority of high level GM players on the NA server are from EU.
Yes but European is a race as is North American, a race is not only color guys.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
And as a North American I have bias the other way but I still say that the EU server has stronger players in general. If you relegate everyone back to their home region NA would be lacking in talent compared to the other two.
Whaaaat? north american and european are races? Bitch, please... white north americans are from europe, don't post this kind of crap. This whole discussion is entirely irrelevant.
Europeans are from Africa. So with your logic there is no such thing as Europeans they are just Africans.
I speak english, so i have no idea what the fuck you just linked me.
Some Nazi-like map with a very racist view of humans putting them into different "races". Btw races are not modern anymore between humans. We are the HUMAN RACE. end of story.
Nazi-like? Maybe, but not as idiotic as saying "europeans" are a race. lmfao. The picture linked is the three great races according to Meyers Konversations-Lexikon of 1885-90. The subtypes of the Mongoloid race are shown in yellow and orange tones, those of the Europid race in light and medium grayish spring green-cyan tones and those of the Negroid race in brown tones.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
No, people in the Spades-thread had no proof, this guy, however, has a lot of it.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I'm not even going to bother explaining anything to you.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that. Furthermore, you agree with the fact that auto-Blinking Stalkers is not definitive proof, but questionable decision-making is BEYOND REASONABLE??? Aokiasdoihasdoodiasasddfshfjh
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. People like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. People like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
Understood. Things have been kind of wonky lately.
That blink hacks... Only funny thing is the random stalker blinking out into the roaches in game 2 (probably becasue the badly coded blinkhack couldn't find space to blink away from the incoming fire due to his army being in the way.). Well, Blizzard, maybe it is time you hire a team of really talented programmers to dedicate themselves 100% time on anti hack...
Have the idiots at Blizzard already dignified us with a response?
Maybe in 2 days we find out that Warden 2 will be included with HotS, like resume from replay and all the other shit we should've had from the start if Activision didn't actively hate gamers.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. People like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
Understood. Things have been kind of wonky lately.
Yeah, it happens. I'm getting tired of this, myself, haha.
On June 07 2012 03:11 zoid wrote: That blink hacks... Only funny thing is the random stalker blinking out into the roaches in game 2 (probably becasue the badly coded blinkhack couldn't find space to blink away from the incoming fire due to his army being in the way.). Well, Blizzard, maybe it is time you hire a team of really talented programmers to dedicate themselves 100% time on anti hack...
I actually don't think you can code a hack to recognize incoming fire. I mean, don't fool yourself, let alone the fact that someone managed to code auto-recognization of low health and then trigger an event at the same time is beyond my knowledge of coding. It's like really, really sophisticated and the beginning of a new, more advanced era of hacking, I'm afraid.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. People like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
Understood. Things have been kind of wonky lately.
Yeah, it happens. I'm getting tired of this, myself, haha.
Also, turns out Avilo was wrong.
I saw that. *Sigh* I'm with you, I'm growing very tired of the whole thing. Someone will eventually prove something, or someone won't. And you know what, the world will still be spinning...until the Mayans GG all of us. LOL.
On June 07 2012 03:11 zoid wrote: That blink hacks... Only funny thing is the random stalker blinking out into the roaches in game 2 (probably becasue the badly coded blinkhack couldn't find space to blink away from the incoming fire due to his army being in the way.). Well, Blizzard, maybe it is time you hire a team of really talented programmers to dedicate themselves 100% time on anti hack...
I actually don't think you can code a hack to recognize incoming fire. I mean, don't fool yourself, let alone the fact that someone managed to code auto-recognization of low health and then trigger an event at the same time is beyond my knowledge of coding. It's like really, really sophisticated and the beginning of a new, more advanced era of hacking, I'm afraid.
Hi ToiletCat, the blink hack is really prominent recently and was used by the fake oGsMC on American Ladder not long ago. AiRSirRobin has proven this hack in his game on Antiga Shipyard where oGsMC does not have any of his stalkers selected and yet was blinking damaged stalkers right before getting killed, with yet 600+ apms. Like I said, no protoss pro-gamer can have 600+ apms. And the only way to achieve 500+ apm (after the non-stop apm patch) is be play zerg and select 300 speedlings and morph them into banelings, then it's the only way to have 500 let alone 600+ apms. Also to note, in order to blink, you need to select individual stalkers... It's not humanely possible to blink stalkers that are not selected.
And if anyone thinks they can blink injured stalkers without ever selecting them and have 600+ apm, please show it to me at MLG Anaheim. Thanks.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. People like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
Understood. Things have been kind of wonky lately.
Yeah, it happens. I'm getting tired of this, myself, haha.
Also, turns out Avilo was wrong.
I saw that. *Sigh* I'm with you, I'm growing very tired of the whole thing. Someone will eventually prove something, or someone won't. And you know what, the world will still be spinning...until the Mayans GG all of us. LOL.
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. People like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
Understood. Things have been kind of wonky lately.
Yeah, it happens. I'm getting tired of this, myself, haha.
Also, turns out Avilo was wrong.
I saw that. *Sigh* I'm with you, I'm growing very tired of the whole thing. Someone will eventually prove something, or someone won't. And you know what, the world will still be spinning...until the Mayans GG all of us. LOL.
Trying to sound "deep" ?
Naw... I did think about referencing a song or something but... I'm retarded.
ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
I don't understand. Every day in society I see people who couldn't care less about other people. Couldn't care less about his neighbor the unemployed, the disabled, even the thief. Somebody shouts "help" and people pretend they don't hear. Boss threatens them with illegal unpaid overtime and they nod silently.
But now I see so much enthusiasm about a hacker across the ocean playing a RTS. How come I see so much interest to set things right. Why isn't this attitude reflected even as a small percentage in every day living?
I really wonder about this. You never hear about similar things like this in the "real world". It's all about mind your own business. I'm genuinely puzzled. Is it the safety of the internet? What is it?
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That's got to be the worst argument I've ever heard. We should ignore somebody cheating and receiving a prize (free ticket + hotel) worth hundreds of dollars handed to him because there are bigger problems in the world?
Ignoring this problem isn't going to make other problems go away. FAIL logic is FAIL.
On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote: ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
If it continues it's going to affect starcraft 2 future + esports..
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Your quite embarrassing if you don't think it's enough proof at this guy in this thread.
On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote: ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
The problem is he doesn't deserve a free trip to anaheim, where they are paying a large sum of money in travel/hotel expenses for someone who is illegitimately taking up a spot that so many people who tried to qualify through QUALIFIERS, not ladder, were unable to get.
The biggest problem is that this REALLY proves all those people wrong who have been claiming that Blizzard is just "collecting data" before the next big banwave hits.
If Blizz had had data on this guy they would have never, never, never invited him. So I guess they haven't been keeping track as well as we all thought they would have.
On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote: ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
Your honestly blind to think no one at MLG is going to BM the living hell of him? Even with rumors of blizzard hiring security to protect him that won't stop anything and proves that blizzard doesn't care as that spot could have been given to someone more deserving and who'd actually have a chance. But no instead we have a hacker that will get destroyed thus making that spot useless. Lots have spoken up and said that this is actually really bad as it can potentially make sponsors reconsider sponsoring the scene.
This will snowball into others who think that if he can get away by cheating and getting a $800 odd worth of a trip + hotel etc etc then most people will be influenced into doing the same... and it's going to be chaos. People who spend hours every day practising and people who just cheat knock their chances in becoming or having a chance becoming good or even on their way of becoming professional.
Do you think this gives us sc2 + the sc2 game as a esports game a good look? That blizzard lets cheaters on ladders and invite them to expenses of trips which they don't deserve....
This problem needs to be fixed or it's going to sink
On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote: ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
zero problem? he is taking a plane seat and a hotel from an honest player
I still dont get it why Blizzard doesnt do shit about this. Its in their interest to ban the hackers no only from moral point of view but for financial gain because when they perma ban all the hackers almost all will buy the game again.
Money for blizzard and no hackers = everybody is happy
I hope this guy will be okay. We're all aware of how passionate we are about witch hunts. With this showing up to the event in person, I'm kind of afraid for his safety. You think a group of nerds wouldn't touch him? People have died over CS, sure it was in China, but fuck sticking a knife through a guys skull because he walled hacked is waaaay over the line lol. Besides that people will generally fight because of trash talk online over games, I know it happened more often than it should for Dota.
Plus even if no one touches him, he's going to get harassed A LOT once people identify him. I'm definitely not encouraging it, but SOMEONE not in their right mind is going to do something. Which is why he needs to be banned from the event.
Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
On June 07 2012 03:11 zoid wrote: That blink hacks... Only funny thing is the random stalker blinking out into the roaches in game 2 (probably becasue the badly coded blinkhack couldn't find space to blink away from the incoming fire due to his army being in the way.). Well, Blizzard, maybe it is time you hire a team of really talented programmers to dedicate themselves 100% time on anti hack...
I actually don't think you can code a hack to recognize incoming fire. I mean, don't fool yourself, let alone the fact that someone managed to code auto-recognization of low health and then trigger an event at the same time is beyond my knowledge of coding. It's like really, really sophisticated and the beginning of a new, more advanced era of hacking, I'm afraid.
Hi ToiletCat, the blink hack is really prominent recently and was used by the fake oGsMC on American Ladder not long ago. AiRSirRobin has proven this hack in his game on Antiga Shipyard where oGsMC does not have any of his stalkers selected and yet was blinking damaged stalkers right before getting killed, with yet 600+ apms. Like I said, no protoss pro-gamer can have 600+ apms. And the only way to achieve 500+ apm (after the non-stop apm patch) is be play zerg and select 300 speedlings and morph them into banelings, then it's the only way to have 500 let alone 600+ apms. Also to note, in order to blink, you need to select individual stalkers... It's not humanely possible to blink stalkers that are not selected.
And if anyone thinks they can blink injured stalkers without ever selecting them and have 600+ apm, please show it to me at MLG Anaheim. Thanks.
I don't know why you're telling me this. I was amongst the first people to point this out, haha. Don't worry man, I know that the auto-Blink exists and I know of its functionality. No, I was just impressed by the coding, that's all.
On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote: ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
zero problem? he is taking a plane seat and a hotel from an honest player
Guess what: that's Blizzard's problem, not ours. THEY'RE spending the money. THEY get to decide who to send and who not to send. Nothing we say is going to make a difference. No amount of heckling, keyboard warrior rage, BM, or threats of physical violence is going to change the fact that Blizzard pays the fucking bills.
Let me tell you how this is going to go down:
1. Zack arrives at the tournament 2. Zack gets beaten 3. Zack leaves the tournament
How does that effect ANYONE else other than Zack and Blizzard? This hypothetical "honest player" doesn't exist, because he / she wasn't chosen. Most of us are honest players. That doesn't mean jack shit.
On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote: ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
zero problem? he is taking a plane seat and a hotel from an honest player
Guess what: that's Blizzard's problem, not ours. THEY'RE spending the money. THEY get to decide who to send and who not to send. Nothing we say is going to make a difference. No amount of heckling, keyboard warrior rage, BM, or threats of physical violence is going to change the fact that Blizzard pays the fucking bills.
Let me tell you how this is going to go down:
1. Zack arrives at the tournament 2. Zack gets beaten 3. Zack leaves the tournament
How does that effect ANYONE else other than Zack and Blizzard? This hypothetical "honest player" doesn't exist, because he / she wasn't chosen. Most of us are honest players. That doesn't mean jack shit.
On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote: ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
zero problem? he is taking a plane seat and a hotel from an honest player
Guess what: that's Blizzard's problem, not ours. THEY'RE spending the money. THEY get to decide who to send and who not to send. Nothing we say is going to make a difference. No amount of heckling, keyboard warrior rage, BM, or threats of physical violence is going to change the fact that Blizzard pays the fucking bills.
Let me tell you how this is going to go down:
1. Zack arrives at the tournament 2. Zack gets beaten 3. Zack leaves the tournament
How does that effect ANYONE else other than Zack and Blizzard? This hypothetical "honest player" doesn't exist, because he / she wasn't chosen. Most of us are honest players. That doesn't mean jack shit.
1. Zack takes a opportunity away from a good player wanting to go professional. 2. Something may happen to zack because of the pathetic and sickness of how he even got a chance like this. (Not guarantee'd) 3. Blizzard is using money on a worthless piece of a player... A player that will 100% make it nowhere. 5 4. He is ruining generally ladder experience for others 5. He may probably play in other online tournaments and keep on cheating... which makes it unfair 6. Influence in others to do it as he can make it out safely and not even be punished by cheating
What do you know... For those who want to take this professionally as a dream. It affects them alot because of players like this.
On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote: ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
The problem is he doesn't deserve a free trip to anaheim, where they are paying a large sum of money in travel/hotel expenses for someone who is illegitimately taking up a spot that so many people who tried to qualify through QUALIFIERS, not ladder, were unable to get.
Not just that. It can simply ruin the esport scene as a whole. If that guy indeed goes to the event, more and more people will start to hack. Hell, at least you will win a free trip somewhere.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
Absolute rubbish. The people writing SC2 hacks are not superior to any other competent programmer. And experiences programmers are no wasting their time writing SC2 hacks. If you spend even 10 minutes researching who created the best known SC2 hacks you will see that they are just students (as of the last time I checked, less than six months ago).
There are at least a couple of very experienced programmers at Blizzard who could implement the best possible solutions if they were put to work on it. You may argue that the best possible solutions would not be good enough (Blizzard cannot be too invasive...damn web hippies), but any solution would be better than what we currently have.
It's really amazing how much the community puts up with. If half of this was directed at ACTIVISION BLIZZARD, they might actually care, but go ahead, use this one guy to release your anger.
On June 07 2012 04:43 Marti wrote: It's really amazing how much the community puts up with. If half of this was directed at ACTIVISION BLIZZARD, they might actually care, but go ahead, use this one guy to release your anger.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
Absolute rubbish. The people writing SC2 hacks are not superior to any other competent programmer. And experiences programmers are no wasting their time writing SC2 hacks. If you spend even 10 minutes researching who created the best known SC2 hacks you will see that they are just students (as of the last time I checked, less than six months ago).
There are at least a couple of very experienced programmers at Blizzard who could implement the best possible solutions if they were put to work on it. You may argue that the best possible solutions would not be good enough (Blizzard cannot be too invasive...damn web hippies), but any solution would be better than what we currently have.
I would do more research.....As blizzard does not have a answer to certain coders (wont name them) Who prove again and agian they are more knowlegeable on the subject. As a programmer myself...I know exactly what I'm talking about, and if you had any clue the amount of money and resources and time it takes to even counter hacks (which are just reversed eng the entire game) you would understand.... Blizzard does not have a magic team they can randomly create solutions to counter hacks. No company does, and a company has to think long term rather then spending money on short term soultuons (like updateing warden)
So... just what the e-sport (gaming) scene needs, to be related to more Violence and intolerance news (which there will be if you guys do anything about it, be it harassing, threatening him, or straight up beating him up).
I can already see the news headliners on fox: “War Games Competition participants gang on poor little boy”.
Be smart, inform blizzard and stay out of it. If he hacked his way into the WCS it’s not his fault, but blizzard for allowing it. Let blizzard know what the issue is, and that you’re unhappy as you’ve done when you guys dislike anything else up to now.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. People like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. People like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
Absolute rubbish. The people writing SC2 hacks are not superior to any other competent programmer. And experiences programmers are no wasting their time writing SC2 hacks. If you spend even 10 minutes researching who created the best known SC2 hacks you will see that they are just students (as of the last time I checked, less than six months ago).
There are at least a couple of very experienced programmers at Blizzard who could implement the best possible solutions if they were put to work on it. You may argue that the best possible solutions would not be good enough (Blizzard cannot be too invasive...damn web hippies), but any solution would be better than what we currently have.
As a programmer myself...soultuons updateing
Really, the guy who created the most popular maphack (includes blink hack etc etc) is still in college. I just checked again, and it is the same guy.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. People like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
You do realise you joined today?
You can view Teamliquid without an account.
Respectfully, as a newcomer (who joined today) you should not be criticising the community or chastising it. It's incredibly rude.
On June 07 2012 01:51 roym899 wrote: Well it's funny that there are no guys here saying this guy doesn't hack and this is no evidence like in the Spades hacking thread, because it's pretty much the same.
Because it's obvious he is hacking..
Why would anyone be defending him?
Well this is off topic, but: Spades hacking is obvious, too?
btt: I really wonder what Blizz is gonna do about this. I think it's impossible for them not to act as those hacking discussion lately is really detroying the game...
I agree with you, the spade's evidence is pretty conclusive, moving the army perfectly when he has no vision and the camera locks and the perfect builds and positioning of units when he doesn't scout shit - spades was beyond reasonable doubt
You are as complicated as anyone could possibly be, aren't you mememolly? You of all the people should learn from this thread -- SniXSniPe has presented conclusive proof of that his opponent is hacking, by showing us a replay, in which his opponent is literally issueing commands without clicking on his keyboard. This is the definition of conclusive proof, mememolly, do you understand this? Are you starting to understand what everyone has been telling you? You have NOTHING but CLAIMS and SUSPICION when it comes to Spades, absolutely nothing but that.
It looks like Avilo just found some concrete evidence if you go check the other thread but we should probably keep the Spades talk in the Spades thread, no?
My post was not about Spades himself but about the fact that mememolly thinks that auto-Blinking Stalkers are totally not proof, but questionable decision-making is. People like her/him is making life on TL really, really weird as of lately.
You do realise you joined today?
You can view Teamliquid without an account.
Respectfully, as a newcomer (who joined today) you should not be criticising the community or chastising it. It's incredibly rude.
Opinion noted, now let's not get into irrelevant topics, shall we?
On June 07 2012 03:11 zoid wrote: That blink hacks... Only funny thing is the random stalker blinking out into the roaches in game 2 (probably becasue the badly coded blinkhack couldn't find space to blink away from the incoming fire due to his army being in the way.). Well, Blizzard, maybe it is time you hire a team of really talented programmers to dedicate themselves 100% time on anti hack...
I actually don't think you can code a hack to recognize incoming fire. I mean, don't fool yourself, let alone the fact that someone managed to code auto-recognization of low health and then trigger an event at the same time is beyond my knowledge of coding. It's like really, really sophisticated and the beginning of a new, more advanced era of hacking, I'm afraid.
Well the code for recognzing incoming fire must already exist because the PDD exists. It doesn't seem that far fetched to be put into a hack, although I doubt such sophistcated hacks exist....yet.
On June 07 2012 03:11 zoid wrote: That blink hacks... Only funny thing is the random stalker blinking out into the roaches in game 2 (probably becasue the badly coded blinkhack couldn't find space to blink away from the incoming fire due to his army being in the way.). Well, Blizzard, maybe it is time you hire a team of really talented programmers to dedicate themselves 100% time on anti hack...
I actually don't think you can code a hack to recognize incoming fire. I mean, don't fool yourself, let alone the fact that someone managed to code auto-recognization of low health and then trigger an event at the same time is beyond my knowledge of coding. It's like really, really sophisticated and the beginning of a new, more advanced era of hacking, I'm afraid.
Well the code for recognzing incoming fire must already exist because the PDD exists. It doesn't seem that far fetched to be put into a hack, although I doubt such sophistcated hacks exist....yet.
Yeah, but we're talking about a code that first has to recognize a game, then recognize a specific unit, then recognize a specific action, then recognize which angle the specific action is coming from. That is way beyond my understanding, but I'm sure it's possible, haha.
I really hope CatZ, Drewbie and Illusion and all the other guys get together again have a witch hunt about this
Well, this case has been pretty much closed, already. The guy is hacking, it's concluded because of the auto-Blink Stalker function. Now we're just chilling about it.
Haha wow guys its not about hackers being superior or inferior programmers.
Anti hacking detection is reactive by its very nature, Blizzard will always be one step behind the latest hacks. It will always be a game of cat and mouse where hackers will release a hack, it will get used, Blizzard will react. They could react more quickly but they have always made their policy clear, they ban in waves to discourage people to use hacks and to look good when they announce they banned 10 million hackers\botters\etc....
As long as the game is popular and as long as there is a market for people who want to use this hacks hacks will never go away. Don't even pretend there is a permanent solution for this, and please stop pretending as if iccup was hack free because it wasn't.
On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote: ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
zero problem? he is taking a plane seat and a hotel from an honest player
Guess what: that's Blizzard's problem, not ours. THEY'RE spending the money. THEY get to decide who to send and who not to send. Nothing we say is going to make a difference. No amount of heckling, keyboard warrior rage, BM, or threats of physical violence is going to change the fact that Blizzard pays the fucking bills.
Let me tell you how this is going to go down:
1. Zack arrives at the tournament 2. Zack gets beaten 3. Zack leaves the tournament
How does that effect ANYONE else other than Zack and Blizzard? This hypothetical "honest player" doesn't exist, because he / she wasn't chosen. Most of us are honest players. That doesn't mean jack shit.
Gee, I hope nobody gets hurt. Nerdbrawl!
I'd pull for a plane ticket to watch the Nerdbrawl though... maybe a live stream with BitterDam commentary? Would inevitably just wind up with a bunch of stretched t-shirts, broken glasses frames, and messed up greasy hair.
On June 07 2012 04:24 Snuggles wrote: I hope this guy will be okay. We're all aware of how passionate we are about witch hunts. With this showing up to the event in person, I'm kind of afraid for his safety. You think a group of nerds wouldn't touch him? People have died over CS, sure it was in China, but fuck sticking a knife through a guys skull because he walled hacked is waaaay over the line lol. Besides that people will generally fight because of trash talk online over games, I know it happened more often than it should for Dota.
Plus even if no one touches him, he's going to get harassed A LOT once people identify him. I'm definitely not encouraging it, but SOMEONE not in their right mind is going to do something. Which is why he needs to be banned from the event.
He will be ok, most people here are jujst e thugs who won't do anything IRL.
On June 07 2012 03:11 zoid wrote: That blink hacks... Only funny thing is the random stalker blinking out into the roaches in game 2 (probably becasue the badly coded blinkhack couldn't find space to blink away from the incoming fire due to his army being in the way.). Well, Blizzard, maybe it is time you hire a team of really talented programmers to dedicate themselves 100% time on anti hack...
I actually don't think you can code a hack to recognize incoming fire. I mean, don't fool yourself, let alone the fact that someone managed to code auto-recognization of low health and then trigger an event at the same time is beyond my knowledge of coding. It's like really, really sophisticated and the beginning of a new, more advanced era of hacking, I'm afraid.
Well the code for recognzing incoming fire must already exist because the PDD exists. It doesn't seem that far fetched to be put into a hack, although I doubt such sophistcated hacks exist....yet.
Something like this should be able to recognise incoming fire:
lol ya the guy will be fine.....These kids on this form has a higher chance of being mugged by the local gangs that are in Aniahiam california (i live in Los Angeles) The hispanic gangs who often attened this event for there brothers ect would pretty much destroy any of the rich priviliaged folks on this form lol.
On June 07 2012 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote: ITT: people freaking out over NOTHING. Literally NOTHING.
Ball don't lie. The guy will go and get beaten and then he will leave. Zero controversy, zero problem. I just wish this thread would die. It serves no purpose.
zero problem? he is taking a plane seat and a hotel from an honest player
Guess what: that's Blizzard's problem, not ours. THEY'RE spending the money. THEY get to decide who to send and who not to send. Nothing we say is going to make a difference. No amount of heckling, keyboard warrior rage, BM, or threats of physical violence is going to change the fact that Blizzard pays the fucking bills.
Let me tell you how this is going to go down:
1. Zack arrives at the tournament 2. Zack gets beaten 3. Zack leaves the tournament
How does that effect ANYONE else other than Zack and Blizzard? This hypothetical "honest player" doesn't exist, because he / she wasn't chosen. Most of us are honest players. That doesn't mean jack shit.
Gee, I hope nobody gets hurt. Nerdbrawl!
I'd pull for a plane ticket to watch the Nerdbrawl though... maybe a live stream with BitterDam commentary? Would inevitably just wind up with a bunch of stretched t-shirts, broken glasses frames, and messed up greasy hair.
And just fty....I can see about 5-6 gm map hackers on that list blizzard put out.
I know several of them personal who are D2JSP players and openly admit in that community to map hacking like PZSniXSniPe and others on that list, so don't just get mad at this guy. North America in general has alot of map hackers in GM lol
On June 07 2012 05:23 Soloturtle wrote: Great move by Blizzard. Replacing him for gimix who is a talented GM terran instead of the other hacker scrub Best of luck to you gimix!
gimix was already invited, zack was just removed, not replaced yet
I don't think his safety will be to big of a concern... and nobody should be stupid enough to physical assault someone and risk facing charges from the law.
If I read right/recall correctly, he might be from that area, so it's not like anyone will know who he is (if he really is from the area and doesn't stay at the hotel). He can easily lie, or most likely, he won't have to since nobody will ask who he is if he's just another face in the crowd.
On June 07 2012 05:24 silentdecay01 wrote: And just fty....I can see about 5-6 gm map hackers on that list blizzard put out.
I know several of them personal who are D2JSP players and openly admit in that community to map hacking like PZSniXSniPe and others on that list, so don't just get mad at this guy. North America in general has alot of map hackers in GM lol
Uh, what? I post on D2JSP, but I don't maphack? Where do you come up with conclusions like that?
And please, if there are 5-6 other people on that list that maphack, do post replays/proof by all means necessary.
On June 07 2012 05:24 silentdecay01 wrote: And just fty....I can see about 5-6 gm map hackers on that list blizzard put out.
I know several of them personal who are D2JSP players and openly admit in that community to map hacking like PZSniXSniPe and others on that list, so don't just get mad at this guy. North America in general has alot of map hackers in GM lol
Uh, what? I post on D2JSP, but I don't maphack? Where do you come up with conclusions like that?
And please, if there are 5-6 other people on that list that maphack, do post replays/proof by all means necessary.
On June 07 2012 05:24 silentdecay01 wrote: And just fty....I can see about 5-6 gm map hackers on that list blizzard put out.
I know several of them personal who are D2JSP players and openly admit in that community to map hacking like PZSniXSniPe and others on that list, so don't just get mad at this guy. North America in general has alot of map hackers in GM lol
You don't fucking accuse someone of map hacking without any evidence to back it up. Do people not realize how severe an accusation that is? I know SniXSniPe personally, and he has never and will never maphack
On June 07 2012 05:24 silentdecay01 wrote: And just fty....I can see about 5-6 gm map hackers on that list blizzard put out.
I know several of them personal who are D2JSP players and openly admit in that community to map hacking like PZSniXSniPe and others on that list, so don't just get mad at this guy. North America in general has alot of map hackers in GM lol
You don't fucking accuse someone of map hacking without any evidence to back it up. Do people not realize how severe an accusation that is? I know SniXSniPe personally, and he has never and will never maphack
I agree with binski... you don't just blurt your opinion without any evidence like that...
On June 07 2012 05:24 silentdecay01 wrote: And just fty....I can see about 5-6 gm map hackers on that list blizzard put out.
I know several of them personal who are D2JSP players and openly admit in that community to map hacking like PZSniXSniPe and others on that list, so don't just get mad at this guy. North America in general has alot of map hackers in GM lol
You don't fucking accuse someone of map hacking without any evidence to back it up. Do people not realize how severe an accusation that is? I know SniXSniPe personally, and he has never and will never maphack
+1 for confirming. Snixsnipe is 100% legit and is a TL veteran. There's no way I'll believe it without at least as much evidence as was presented in the spades case.
On June 07 2012 05:24 silentdecay01 wrote: And just fty....I can see about 5-6 gm map hackers on that list blizzard put out.
I know several of them personal who are D2JSP players and openly admit in that community to map hacking like PZSniXSniPe and others on that list, so don't just get mad at this guy. North America in general has alot of map hackers in GM lol
Please post the public posts, or even the private conversations you have of such admissions. Also could you elaborate on the OTHER 4-5 palyers. SNixSniPe has already tuned in. If you are going to make allegations, do it properly. Show your evidence, state your claim.
You are acting like things are public knowledge when they aren't.
ON TOPIC: Does anyone know more information about blizzard removing him from the list? Did they make an announcement I missed...anything? I need more facts!
On June 07 2012 05:24 silentdecay01 wrote: And just fty....I can see about 5-6 gm map hackers on that list blizzard put out.
I know several of them personal who are D2JSP players and openly admit in that community to map hacking like PZSniXSniPe and others on that list, so don't just get mad at this guy. North America in general has alot of map hackers in GM lol
Please post the public posts, or even the private conversations you have of such admissions. Also could you elaborate on the OTHER 4-5 palyers. SNixSniPe has already tuned in. If you are going to make allegations, do it properly. Show your evidence, state your claim.
You are acting like things are public knowledge when they aren't.
ON TOPIC: Does anyone know more information about blizzard removing him from the list? Did they make an announcement I missed...anything? I need more facts!
On the MLG Tournament page regarding WCS, it stated clearly that any cheating is automatic disqualification to the tournament. It's in Rule #1.
(This is not a hack, I would not of linked it if it was)
Someone did it with the in game editor. Maphacks have the ability to read their opponents production, etc... Don't see why they couldn't have the ability to read more.
On June 07 2012 05:22 silentdecay01 wrote: lol ya the guy will be fine.....These kids on this form has a higher chance of being mugged by the local gangs that are in Aniahiam california (i live in Los Angeles) The hispanic gangs who often attened this event for there brothers ect would pretty much destroy any of the rich priviliaged folks on this form lol.
inorite, cuz the only people who know how to fight are poor kids from the hood >.<
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
From the Battle.net terms of use: 7. ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/CANCELATION. BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html
So yes, they can legally ban you because some player said so. Stop talking out of your ass.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
Are you having a laugh? Someone who managed to tear into existing, partially documented code like SC2's does not count among the best coders in the world. Djikstra would be rolling over in his grave. He's probably quite smart and likely college educated, but he's not a god amongst computer scientists.
On June 06 2012 13:01 SDream wrote: He basicly stole a fly ticket and a hotel reservation from someone else, I hope he gets sued.
Sorry, noone will go to jail because they cheated in a video game.
But the United States congress holds congressional hearings over cheating in baseball, so don't think it's out of the question >_>.
That is a ridiculous. This essentially warrants a software company to not require any security measures as their recourse could be the criminal system. I'm not sure about if you're familiar with how big of a joke the system is in the US, but it's terrible.
I've been banned on two accounts on the battle.net forums for letting them know how lackluster their programmers and ethics are. At the end of the day, this is ALL on Blizzard for putting greed above any ethics. Hell, I know the computer science program and business program where I studied required ethics.
Oh I live in massachusetts, trust me, I know how ridiculous the system is.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
Are you having a laugh? Someone who managed to tear into existing, partially documented code like SC2's does not count among the best coders in the world. Djikstra would be rolling over in his grave. He's probably quite smart and likely college educated, but he's not a god amongst computer scientists.
No kidding, the best coders in the world are not working on easy problems like map hacks. Preventing map hacking is just a difficult problem because:
1) Users have complete access to their computer. 2) The map data has to be in memory somewhere.
The only real prevention is for Blizzard to work like Dota 2 does and not even send data that the client can't see. But that would require rebuilding quite a bit of code as well as hosting a lot more servers. Though they do this to some degree for D3 anyway.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
Are you having a laugh? Someone who managed to tear into existing, partially documented code like SC2's does not count among the best coders in the world. Djikstra would be rolling over in his grave. He's probably quite smart and likely college educated, but he's not a god amongst computer scientists.
The best part is that he has said that he is a programmer xD.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
From the Battle.net terms of use: 7. ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/CANCELATION. BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html
So yes, they can legally ban you because some player said so. Stop talking out of your ass.
Which law school did you go to again?
It's not quite that simple, but in principle, you're right.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
From the Battle.net terms of use: 7. ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/CANCELATION. BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html
So yes, they can legally ban you because some player said so. Stop talking out of your ass.
Which law school did you go to again?
It's not quite that simple, but in principle, you're right.
It actually is quite that simple. You're using their service, and if they don't want you to use their service anymore, they remove you.
If you want to make comments like, "Which law school did you go to again?" then make your credibility known. If you have none, then shut the fuck up.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
From the Battle.net terms of use: 7. ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/CANCELATION. BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html
So yes, they can legally ban you because some player said so. Stop talking out of your ass.
Which law school did you go to again?
It's not quite that simple, but in principle, you're right.
It actually is quite that simple. You're using their service, and if they don't want you to use their service anymore, they remove you.
If you want to make comments like, "Which law school did you go to again?" then make your credibility known. If you have none, then shut the fuck up.
Well, I agreed with you, and you didn't answer the question, and no I'm not going to say where I went to school. And I do know what I'm talking about. Don't tell me to "shut the fuck up".
Guys, this guy has to live with himself, and actually try to be comftorable at the event. With all he has done, this will possibly be one of the worst experiences of his life, not because anyone will actually say or do anything to him, but because he will feel so out of place.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
From the Battle.net terms of use: 7. ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/CANCELATION. BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html
So yes, they can legally ban you because some player said so. Stop talking out of your ass.
Which law school did you go to again?
It's not quite that simple, but in principle, you're right.
It actually is quite that simple. You're using their service, and if they don't want you to use their service anymore, they remove you.
If you want to make comments like, "Which law school did you go to again?" then make your credibility known. If you have none, then shut the fuck up.
Well, I agreed with you, and you didn't answer the question, and no I'm not going to say where I went to school. And I do know what I'm talking about. Don't tell me to "shut the fuck up".
If your not going to say/prove which law school you went to, you have no right to ask others. Try to be more polite.
OT: Now hes banned, he will just get another account and do it again i assume?
On June 07 2012 05:22 silentdecay01 wrote: lol ya the guy will be fine.....These kids on this form has a higher chance of being mugged by the local gangs that are in Aniahiam california (i live in Los Angeles) The hispanic gangs who often attened this event for there brothers ect would pretty much destroy any of the rich priviliaged folks on this form lol.
inorite, cuz the only people who know how to fight are poor kids from the hood >.<
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
From the Battle.net terms of use: 7. ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/CANCELATION. BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html
So yes, they can legally ban you because some player said so. Stop talking out of your ass.
Which law school did you go to again?
It's not quite that simple, but in principle, you're right.
It actually is quite that simple. You're using their service, and if they don't want you to use their service anymore, they remove you.
If you want to make comments like, "Which law school did you go to again?" then make your credibility known. If you have none, then shut the fuck up.
Well, I agreed with you, and you didn't answer the question, and no I'm not going to say where I went to school. And I do know what I'm talking about. Don't tell me to "shut the fuck up".
If your not going to say/prove which law school you went to, you have no right to ask others. Try to be more polite.
OT: Now hes banned, he will just get another account and do it again i assume?
Like i said. You haven't answered anything. Put up or shut up.You're also the one that told me to "shut the fuck up" so, when you tell me to be more polite, my response is, go fuck yourself.
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
From the Battle.net terms of use: 7. ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/CANCELATION. BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html
So yes, they can legally ban you because some player said so. Stop talking out of your ass.
Which law school did you go to again?
It's not quite that simple, but in principle, you're right.
It actually is quite that simple. You're using their service, and if they don't want you to use their service anymore, they remove you.
If you want to make comments like, "Which law school did you go to again?" then make your credibility known. If you have none, then shut the fuck up.
Well, I agreed with you, and you didn't answer the question, and no I'm not going to say where I went to school. And I do know what I'm talking about. Don't tell me to "shut the fuck up".
If your not going to say/prove which law school you went to, you have no right to ask others. Try to be more polite.
OT: Now hes banned, he will just get another account and do it again i assume?
You sound like a angry douch, no reason to be this mad when from the start he agreed with you?
On June 07 2012 20:54 Mr Showtime wrote: If people send replays of him hacking, maybe Blizzard will ban his account before he gets to play. Unlikely, but that would make things interesting.
blizzard already crossed him off the list, he's not invited anymore
On June 07 2012 20:54 Mr Showtime wrote: If people send replays of him hacking, maybe Blizzard will ban his account before he gets to play. Unlikely, but that would make things interesting.
blizzard already crossed him off the list, he's not invited anymore
On June 07 2012 20:54 Mr Showtime wrote: If people send replays of him hacking, maybe Blizzard will ban his account before he gets to play. Unlikely, but that would make things interesting.
blizzard already crossed him off the list, he's not invited anymore
Good on them. I know they had some plan to ban people in waves, so I was afraid they might not get around to fixing this issue.
On June 08 2012 00:00 QXC_Fanboy wrote: maybe this will teach blizz to implement better antihack systems
It's not worth their money to invest into better technology when their Warden prevents 99% of the player population from hacking. From a business standpoint that's 100% perfect.
i think these threads go in the completely wrong direction. I feel its like in the middle age now where women got called witches for no valid reason. Sometimes games just look like someone is maphacking when he is not. So keep your pitchforks inside before blaming someone.
I'd love it if this guy actually went far in the tournament and proved you wrong. Then again, I'd love it if he did horrible without the use of his hacks, if that's actually the case here.
On June 08 2012 00:45 MooLen wrote: i think these threads go in the completely wrong direction. I feel its like in the middle age now where women got called witches for no valid reason. Sometimes games just look like someone is maphacking when he is not. So keep your pitchforks inside before blaming someone.
You're clearly either:
1) Trolling 2) Didn't even bother to watch the replays 3) Not high enough in understanding to realize what's happening in front of you 4) An idiot
On June 08 2012 00:45 MooLen wrote: i think these threads go in the completely wrong direction. I feel its like in the middle age now where women got called witches for no valid reason. Sometimes games just look like someone is maphacking when he is not. So keep your pitchforks inside before blaming someone.
Blink hack is pretty obvious so on this one the pitch forks can come out. He's a blatant and obvious map hacker which makes him even dumber for doing it. If you're just gonna show the world you map hack then hey just take the ban when it comes.
On June 08 2012 00:45 MooLen wrote: i think these threads go in the completely wrong direction. I feel its like in the middle age now where women got called witches for no valid reason. Sometimes games just look like someone is maphacking when he is not. So keep your pitchforks inside before blaming someone.
You're clearly either:
1) Trolling 2) Didn't even bother to watch the replays 3) Not high enough in understanding to realize what's happening in front of you 4) An idiot
Pick one.
its the equivalent of those women flying around instead of walking and then claiming "we arent witches".
On June 08 2012 00:58 SoloZergg wrote: I'd love it if this guy actually went far in the tournament and proved you wrong. Then again, I'd love it if he did horrible without the use of his hacks, if that's actually the case here.
The guy is terrible, but that's beside the point. He's hacking. Doing well in a tournament isn't "proving someone wrong."
On June 07 2012 04:27 silentdecay01 wrote: Just want to clear something up for all you people posting "blizzard should ban and know" blah blah.
Atm the current state of hacker devs, Are able to avoid "warden" (anti cheat program by blizzard) And blizzard has not had a full reverse engi team to combat the adv hacks that are being created by people who in all honestly are some of the top coders in the world.
Blizzard is still hiring people for the job to combat hackers...they been looking for sometime. Don't think you guys understand how hard it is to find someone able to defeat advanced coders and how expensive it is...only few people in the world really have the skill to do such things. Which is why blizzard trys to hit these coders/hackers with lawsuits rather then try to detect their hacks. its to expesnive to keep doing it with out making nay progresss.
Everytime Warden is updated...the hacker updates his project to avoid detection. Blizzard legaly and moraly can't just ban someone based on player say so. Yes player reports do help them out....but its very very hard to manage and decide if the person is hacking. Just some fyi.....Blizzard does not have a magical team of people who can make all hackers banned lol.
From the Battle.net terms of use: 7. ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/CANCELATION. BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html
So yes, they can legally ban you because some player said so. Stop talking out of your ass.
Which law school did you go to again?
It's not quite that simple, but in principle, you're right.
It actually is quite that simple. You're using their service, and if they don't want you to use their service anymore, they remove you.
If you want to make comments like, "Which law school did you go to again?" then make your credibility known. If you have none, then shut the fuck up.
Well, I agreed with you, and you didn't answer the question, and no I'm not going to say where I went to school. And I do know what I'm talking about. Don't tell me to "shut the fuck up".
If your not going to say/prove which law school you went to, you have no right to ask others. Try to be more polite.
OT: Now hes banned, he will just get another account and do it again i assume?
Like i said. You haven't answered anything. Put up or shut up.You're also the one that told me to "shut the fuck up" so, when you tell me to be more polite, my response is, go fuck yourself.
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Dude, you might want to check usernames before you post. The guy you just replied to isn't the guy you asked which law school he went to.
Anyway, Squigly is right. You think it's reasonable to ask people to prove their credibility and then provide no credibility for yourself? You're just coming off as a douche the way you're acting.
first, people saying he must be shot or beaten are crazy... You dont kill or beat someone for being a hacker or a douche... However, the community can still make something to make him understand he is not welcome there. Interview him on stage in front of the crowd and explain to everybody what he did, and that he basically stole a slot from a legit player
The counter on the 5 minute mark on the second video under spoilers. Until then I hadn't even seen 1 thing to make me believe he has a map hack. As for checking for the probe in game 1 and switching his army direction to kill the pylon after seeing a probe. Thats something I would do. Even the random 4 cannon I would do just to stop zergling run by. Okay I'd just do 3 cannon but still.
On June 08 2012 02:40 Jinsho wrote: He withdrew because he got called out and people noticed. This thread has had a purpose and it served it well. Good job.
Indeed. Well done community : = )¨ Just hope Blizzard bans him too now
On June 08 2012 00:45 MooLen wrote: i think these threads go in the completely wrong direction. I feel its like in the middle age now where women got called witches for no valid reason. Sometimes games just look like someone is maphacking when he is not. So keep your pitchforks inside before blaming someone.
On June 08 2012 00:45 MooLen wrote: i think these threads go in the completely wrong direction. I feel its like in the middle age now where women got called witches for no valid reason. Sometimes games just look like someone is maphacking when he is not. So keep your pitchforks inside before blaming someone.
people like you that comment in these threads without watching the replay should be perm banned
it would help keep the threads going in the right direction
On June 08 2012 00:45 MooLen wrote: i think these threads go in the completely wrong direction. I feel its like in the middle age now where women got called witches for no valid reason. Sometimes games just look like someone is maphacking when he is not. So keep your pitchforks inside before blaming someone.
Could you please look at the evidence before you start bashing an entire community, asshole? Nobody is witch hunting. There's plain clear evidence that he is hacking, did you even bother looking at the evidence or were you just eager to bash the SC2 community for calling out obvious cheaters?
On June 06 2012 08:21 setzer wrote: Something like this might actually get Blizzard to notice the serious flaws their Warden protection has. If the evidence is absolutely conclusive (haven't watched replays) get media gaming sites involved on this news piece.
Except we should identify what is the 'flaw' here is exactly.. the hacks are not even faking any data simply reading data that's accessible to the client or automating inputs to do things like the blinking (the latter of which is stupid if you are trying to be undetected and should definitely be detected however).
But the former problem is just inherent to being on a platform that is open. Even copy protection systems that run at ring0 level (and i would not go anywhere near any Blizzard shit that ran at ring0 level) are not effective. The effective ones rely on something which is closed and not open to the user (USB dongles, or servers handling data; the latter being how games like LoL work i think). The ones that work without that, like Starforce, are massively complex projects made by great programmers who are specifically experienced in that field. most likely ex-crackers.
So while on one hand it's harsh to criticize them for a problem that literally every commercial software developer has faced forever, this is Activision-Blizzard one of (or the?) richest development companies that exist. If an upstart Russian company in the case of Starforce can make one of the hardest protections ever made then Blizzard could, it's just another thing on their endless list of shit they won't put significant money towards doing. The reason why copy protection is so relevant is because its heavily based around protecting the data in memory, if SC2 had Starforce for example then there would be no hacks at all because of it's memory obfuscation techniques, and if you remove the protection then you can block the client from playing online. That would still be not 100% but would basically need a whole team of dedicated people working full time to make a solution which won't ever happen.
A realistic solution doesn't even need to be anywhere near as complex, especially as they are constantly patching the game.. there's tons of possible techniques to use to make it just annoying enough that it won't be significantly broken. I think we can all tell by now the incompetence/unfunded state of SC2's online support though so it shouldn't be a surprise. Maphacks were made days after beta release and i mentioned this exact issue with online tournaments and it will get worse.
Oh hey this is still a thing. Good job making somehow fear for his life and withdraw from a video game tournament. Instead of Zack losing and going home, it'll be someone else losing and going home. Course corrected, history rewritten, gg no re.
I'm just shocked that he still is signing on and has his GM status. They demoted Impa to bronze and banned him. Why does this HRGzack get special treatment?
On June 08 2012 09:11 carloselcoco wrote: Could someone update this OP plz!
The alleged hacker withdrew himself from the tournament. If anything, this should be closed now.
Idk its pretty interesting that blizzard themselves invited a hacker to their own tournaments of all things why should it be closed ppl deserve to know and blizzard to be put to shame, and hopefully learn from their mistakes
On June 08 2012 09:15 jeeeeohn wrote: Oh hey this is still a thing. Good job making somehow fear for his life and withdraw from a video game tournament. Instead of Zack losing and going home, it'll be someone else losing and going home. Course corrected, history rewritten, gg no re.
I highly doubt he did it out of "fear for his own life" but more well everyone will see im a skilless newb hacker and that would just be terrible. So before saying stuff like that look at the track record of those who hack in major things like that. They generally withdraw not cause of fear of their lifes but being found out as the frauds they are.
I don't mean to be the devils advocate... But maybe we should do less shitting on blizzard for trying to create another WCG'esc event/league and stop crying every time anyone fucks up. I feel as if reality is bent slightly when I come into these topics, OBVIOUSLY blizzard wasn't sitting in the executive meeting discussing this and (best incontrol impression of Mr. B) saying "lets invite some notorious map hackers"... Instead they probably were trying to profit on the industry, while adding creative elements. They made a mistake, it happens, they can learn, but we don't need the parasites running down another piece of the industry over a mistake. Let's get real guys.
And good that he withdrew, at least he owns up to the fact he's a hacker.
On June 08 2012 10:13 Torte de Lini wrote: He said he withdrew or he really did?
He really did.
As he got clearly identified as a hacker, did Blizzard took back the 200$ he had "won" from the WCS, and will his account get banned as well as punishment?
On June 08 2012 10:13 Torte de Lini wrote: He said he withdrew or he really did?
He really did.
As he got clearly identified as a hacker, did Blizzard took back the 200$ he had "won" from the WCS, and will his account get banned as well as punishment?
I don't know. Bashiok just mentioned to me that "he withdrew from the event" and provided no further details. I did bring up that he's still in GM and not banned though, so we'll see if anything further happens in that regard. I also have no details on what's going to happen with the prize money.
On June 08 2012 10:13 Torte de Lini wrote: He said he withdrew or he really did?
He really did.
As he got clearly identified as a hacker, did Blizzard took back the 200$ he had "won" from the WCS, and will his account get banned as well as punishment?
I don't know. Bashiok just mentioned to me that "he withdrew from the event" and provided no further details. I did bring up that he's still in GM and not banned though, so we'll see if anything further happens in that regard. I also have no details on what's going to happen with the prize money.
I don't understand. Every day in society I see people who couldn't care less about other people. Couldn't care less about his neighbor the unemployed, the disabled, even the thief. Somebody shouts "help" and people pretend they don't hear. Boss threatens them with illegal unpaid overtime and they nod silently.
But now I see so much enthusiasm about a hacker across the ocean playing a RTS. How come I see so much interest to set things right. Why isn't this attitude reflected even as a small percentage in every day living?
I really wonder about this. You never hear about similar things like this in the "real world". It's all about mind your own business. I'm genuinely puzzled. Is it the safety of the internet? What is it?
Its nothing to do with everyday things every 1 is united in this because everyone hates cheaters stop trying to make it about the real world its about a game and people hate people who cheat at games and always will idiot
On June 10 2012 18:01 Blackfoger wrote: I actually know HRG Zack or Text he use to be in CSS/ESEA community. His name is Zack Allen from California. He has nearly 3-4 banned Steam accounts because he's hacked in that game. I use to actually talk to him on a daily basis as he donated money to some Source players. This guy has also purchased lessons from people and never paid up. I have his cell phone FYI.
On June 11 2012 00:05 GeNeSiDe wrote: I looked him up on FB with the hope of sending him distasteful messages, but when I actually looked at his profile i kind of felt bad for the guy...
Wait... you're telling me you feel bad for THIS guy?
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
Can anyone confirm what he is like in person if he showed up at MLG?
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote: Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...
I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously
PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
Can anyone confirm what he is like in person if he showed up at MLG?
On June 11 2012 00:05 GeNeSiDe wrote: I looked him up on FB with the hope of sending him distasteful messages, but when I actually looked at his profile i kind of felt bad for the guy...
I admit that this guy is guilty as hell, but looking him up on facebook to 'send him distasteful messages' is pretty ignorant. He has been caught, called out to the community, and will more than likely play no part in the competitive scene in future. Leave it at that.
On June 11 2012 00:05 GeNeSiDe wrote: I looked him up on FB with the hope of sending him distasteful messages, but when I actually looked at his profile i kind of felt bad for the guy...
Wait... you're telling me you feel bad for THIS guy?
^ Do you think you could remove the links to these guys' facebook profiles? Whoever they are, they're not proven to have any connection to the real hacker, and this just stinks of possible internet harassment.
Godamnit, what's with all these "hacker" threads recently? I mean, didn't anyone see any hacks at all like 2 weeks ago? Why is this such a huge issue suddenly? I know this is probably justified due to him being invited to the tourny, but these threads are popping up everywhere ATM.
Also this hacker dude is a fucking moron for doing what he does, and so obviously.
Why are you banning people for posting personal information... but then not taking down the links? Just saying that taking down the links would probably be a good idea.
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should be a better system
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/N9fZQ.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZJjCf.jpg)
