EPTCall to Action: Balance Testing (live custom map) - Page 38
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On May 03 2012 18:21 Flummie wrote: I agree with this and I am zerg lol. How about 50 energy for queens but increase the cost of transfuse to 75 energy or soemthing so that protoss air is still good. I still think that the creep spread is gonna be way too good in ZvP, which will reduce the efficiency of all protoss 2 bases build since it will gives us more map vision an mobility (plus no proxy pylon) and that's not necessery in my opinion. I feel like, giving the ability to a hatch to put down one creep tumor is a better option, it will help to prevent cheese like 3 pylon block and it will give a better creep spread, but without the snowball effect of creep spread when you gives 50 energy to Queen. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
On May 03 2012 18:32 Ballistixz wrote: ive tested the OL buff in game. its great. on certain maps like close spawn metal, u wont even need to drone scout. u can freely look in his base with no fear really and ovies can escape much more easily against a marine/stalker depending on position. of course u can still deny ovie scouting, but for the firs few mins of the game it is awesome. great and much needed buff. like the other guy said, this speed buff feels very natural for zerg. in game the speed buff is very if you main as zerg even tho the numerical value is very small. honestly its so nice to watch the overlord "zoom" across the minimap LOL. one thing to note tho is that the patch says 0.586, but in game its rounded up to 0.59. Someone should make a video on youtube that shows the difference. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On May 03 2012 18:37 NeonFox wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 18:32 Ballistixz wrote: ive tested the OL buff in game. its great. on certain maps like close spawn metal, u wont even need to drone scout. u can freely look in his base with no fear really and ovies can escape much more easily against a marine/stalker depending on position. of course u can still deny ovie scouting, but for the firs few mins of the game it is awesome. great and much needed buff. like the other guy said, this speed buff feels very natural for zerg. in game the speed buff is very if you main as zerg even tho the numerical value is very small. honestly its so nice to watch the overlord "zoom" across the minimap LOL. one thing to note tho is that the patch says 0.586, but in game its rounded up to 0.59. Someone should make a video on youtube that shows the difference. i cant make a vid, but ill go make a game against a comp and tell the time it takes to get from point A to point B with old ovie and new ovie i guess. seems easy enough | ||
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BlueKatz
68 Posts
The Observer buff is ok imo. Protoss need better mid early game options. I mean, what so wrong with that? Is 10 seconds is that important as people trying to prove? Either way, Protoss would get Observer before Cloak. Banshee still keep Protoss force at home. I highly doubt if 10 seconds earlier can do that much damage to Banshee opening. It's 2 Probes kill at best The Queen change is the only thing concerned me. I mean... seriously? What does it do anyways? It doesn't stop early cheese, all in (like 2 Rax, Cannon Rush...). It can't even stop Bunker Rush. Meanwhile any kind of opener in mid early game is too strong and unstoppable, which is not very fair, and make the game more BORING (I mean, seriously? in that case who dare to attack zerg?) And at last, it will make Zerg spread creep a lot faster (like 33-50%). They can also pull the Macro Hatch up a lot faster, being a lot more greedy while being safer (which basically mean the end of PvZ) Ok just assume that Queen update won't badly ruin SC2 Balance... then what the point of that update? It does not make Zerg that much less vulnerable to early cheese. It just... makes Zerg have easier time in the early game. Seriously? Easier? | ||
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Zihua
Netherlands177 Posts
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ntssauce
Germany750 Posts
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Liquid`TLO
Germany767 Posts
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derElbe
Germany571 Posts
On May 03 2012 18:45 Liquid`TLO wrote: bwhaahahahhahaha. CREEP. CREEP EVERYWHERE thumps up | ||
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sc2pal
Poland624 Posts
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
on the same positions it took the old ovie about 3 mins and 40 seconds to get to the same location. at the top levels, im sure those 40 seconds will be a big deal. | ||
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Rokit5
236 Posts
On May 03 2012 08:57 Toppp wrote: Pretty sad that they arent in touch with terrans current place.. I feel like they just took those complaints straight from the Battle.net forums.. 50 energy starting queen isn't taking into account late game creep spread which will be godlike and all queens will have a massive useless pileup of energy that will be spent mostly on pure creep tumors, which in return will have everyones creeps pread looking like seals.. Spreading creep in the late game is something that takes up alot of APM. Only at the very top level this might be a problem, though i think pro players have better things to spend their apm on, even though its +270. The casual Z player wont even come close to having perfect creep spread even with the queens starting energy at 25 as it is now. Dont overexaggerate and breathe in. If the Z players is covering the whole map in creep, you arent denying his creep well enough. These changes seems very nice, though i feel like something needs to be done about TvP late game. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On May 03 2012 18:45 Liquid`TLO wrote: bwhaahahahhahaha. CREEP. CREEP EVERYWHERE The new balance implements get The Beard of TLO's sign of approval™ | ||
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Nisyax
Netherlands756 Posts
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
On May 03 2012 18:45 Liquid`TLO wrote: bwhaahahahhahaha. CREEP. CREEP EVERYWHERE LOL @ TLO, sup? | ||
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Dvriel
607 Posts
Queen buff its too much i think.Starging with both creep and inject its just crazy.Hellions wont deny anything,because creep will grow much faster with 2 tumors,and not only this,Z will skip 3rd queen in TvZ so there are 3 more drones... | ||
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Liquid`TLO
Germany767 Posts
On May 03 2012 18:58 Dvriel wrote: Very nice and usefull buff for Z.Overlord speed is great and Z needed.Now overlords crossing map much safer and scouting will be better. Queen buff its too much i think.Starging with both creep and inject its just crazy.Hellions wont deny anything,because creep will grow much faster with 2 tumors,and not only this,Z will skip 3rd queen in TvZ so there are 3 more drones... why skip queens, make more queens, nothing else. | ||
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Frauk
Norway36 Posts
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AdrianHealey
Belgium480 Posts
Sincerely, a zerg. :D (But it seems imba like hell, though.) | ||
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