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Overcoming Ladder Anxiety - 7 Tips - Page 5

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StrinterN
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark531 Posts
April 29 2012 12:03 GMT
#81
Nice thread!
I really love the idea of tip 4 and 5 about making your own reward system and also about trying not to rage quit ( which i tend to do a lot! xD )

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tryteyker
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany83 Posts
April 29 2012 12:28 GMT
#82
On April 27 2012 07:52 Epoch wrote:
The most important tip is tip #8.

Tip #8 - Lose the ego. Stop giving a fuck about your ladder ranking, and winning games, and shift your focus to improving and having fun. And lose the sense of self entitlement, you aren't better than people. If they beat you, they won fair and square and it's your job to do better next time. This is the single most important tip.


This one is the biggest and most important tip EVER, but it's extremely hard to get it to work.
I still keep saying "Oh man, I'm in Silver now, I don't want to lose that ranking", even though I know I shouldn't be doing that AT ALL.

Overall, extremely helpful tips though.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
April 29 2012 12:50 GMT
#83
The only time I get anxiety from Starcraft is during tournaments. I dont really feel like I gain or lose anything from ladder play. It is basically a system meant for organized practice sessions against random other players. I just need to stop getting the jitters during tournament play.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
KenZo-
Profile Joined December 2010
Faroe Islands190 Posts
April 29 2012 13:20 GMT
#84
I enjoyed this read... thank you and, I will try to pick this up as a routine.
SanchoPanda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States117 Posts
April 29 2012 23:39 GMT
#85
On April 29 2012 14:34 sambo400 wrote:
I don't get why people feel so nervous when playing ladder.

I don't gg unless it actually was a good game, or the other player actually played well, in which case I will let them know. But I do take a moment to identify the key reasons for losing.

If you are suffering from ladder anxiety, you are putting too much emphasis on the present and need to have longer-term goals. Like for the next year or 6 months at a minimum. I do care about my ladder rank, but learning a lesson is even more important than any amount of ladder wins.


I've actually gotten many responses from people saying they "don't get" why people have ladder anxiety. You happened to say it in a very nice way (thank you ).

Well, I can't answer for everyone but for myself the fear comes from not knowing what is going to happen, and thus not knowing if i'm prepared for it. While everything remains unknown, it's tempting for me to focus on worst case scenarios: "What if he/she is a zerg? What if they cheese? What if... what if.. what if..." Some people, myself included, from time to time find this moment paralyzing. Once i'm in game, and scouting, and making decisions, that fear is replaced with genuine thrill and excitement, because I know what's going on.

This post is about how those of us who are less self-assured can get from that initial moment of dread to the fun of the game itself. It's about how to preoccupy our minds and have more positive thoughts, and to find a motivation that overcomes that unfounded emotion. For those who can't relate to this, i happily say 'good for you!' But also, please just realize we are all different, with different strengths and weaknesses. And please be sympathetic and cheer us on.

Ladder anxiety is not always about people who have too big an ego and don't want to lose. Sometimes it's about the lack of ego, and the need to learn how to build confidence stressful situations. I'm hoping to encourage the latter group.
Siege the Day!
sambo400
Profile Joined March 2011
United States378 Posts
April 30 2012 06:38 GMT
#86
Ok, well to those people, I would still reassure them in a similar way. If they are afraid of the unknown, then the most basic thing they need to understand is that the game has rules, and nothing beyond boundaries set by the rules will ever happen to them. Banshees with cloak won't be at your base until about 7 minutes, DTs wont ever come into play before about 7:20, and so on, a player who goes for 6 pool can't also have a huge economy when they attack you, etc. And there are tons of resources out there to help you understand how to identify and deal with all these "scary" tactics they may face (however it will take many times facing a strategy before they understand how to play against it, I'm not saying the game is easy)

If someone knows all this and is still terrified to que up a game, then it is either for ego reasons or they have failed to internalize the fairness of the game, and really they aren't playing starcraft, they are playing misunderstanding-craft, which is a 1 player game that you can't win.

I blame the massive popularity of people like Husky and so on for the phenomenon of ladder anxiety. They build these games up to be these epic clashes of ingenious strategy of extreme importance, and thats what new players think they are getting into on the ladder, when in reality its just 2 dudes playing an electronic board game with a 3rd guy going nuts about it. for the sake of entertainment.

When I say ego, what I mean is the brain protecting itself from negatives,
MrStabby
Profile Joined February 2011
United States24 Posts
April 30 2012 06:41 GMT
#87
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-Debaser-
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
April 30 2012 06:50 GMT
#88
On April 30 2012 15:41 MrStabby wrote:
Blizzard, gj, u ruined B.NET chat channels U FUCKING STUPID FAGGOTS

calm down man calm down
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OkeeDokes
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada10 Posts
May 03 2012 05:11 GMT
#89
:D
EneMecH
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom218 Posts
May 03 2012 07:09 GMT
#90
Tip 1. There's no prize for ladder, it's just designed to give you games you can learn from when you lose.
Tip 2. There's no prize for ladder, it's just designed to give you games you can learn from when you lose.
Tip 3. There's no prize for ladder, it's just designed to give you games you can learn from when you lose.
Tip 4. There's no prize for ladder, it's just designed to give you games you can learn from when you lose.
Tip 5. There's no prize for ladder, it's just designed to give you games you can learn from when you lose.
Tip 6. There's no prize for ladder, it's just designed to give you games you can learn from when you lose.
Tip 7. There's no prize for ladder, it's just designed to give you games you can learn from when you lose.
Tears soaks each hand the dealer's dealt. But time taught me how to see every second as heaven even when they're perfectly disguised as hell.
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
May 03 2012 07:28 GMT
#91
One thing that held me back from playing the ladder was the fact, that at some point I hit a brick wall with a single build I did.

Back in the days of season 1 I would go for thor rush every single game, execute it relatively well and stomp my opponents out of the bronze league and into the plat.

But then I stopped, since the rush no longer seemed to work and I didn't know how to do anything else. It took me a couple of months to overcome ladder anxiety and I feel I'm finally done with it, with 700+ 1v1 wins.

In order to transition away from a certain playstyle it is good to assume one thing: you will get demoted.

It happened to me on a couple occasions: when I switched to random, focused on 2rax expand builds, mech builds etc. But each time after playing about a hundred games I was able to get back into "my" league.

My advice is this: if you feel stuck - have fun! Play the ladder the way you want to play it, not the way already know. Yes, you probably get demoted but after a while you will earn your way back. And if it does not work out with your new build - well, you can always fall back to the old one.

You will become a more versatile player with a better understanding of the game, I think it is well worth it.
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jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
May 03 2012 08:13 GMT
#92
Tip #1 smoke weed and play. No anxiety. :0
"I think bringing a toddler to a movie theater is a terrible idea. They are too young to understand what is happening it would be like giving your toddler acid. Bad idea." - Sinensis
birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
May 03 2012 09:07 GMT
#93
I think you give some great tips. Some of them I already adepted to pre-reading this, but tips like the Marine Split Challenge for a warm-up, that's something I'm gonna start doing now.
Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
May 03 2012 09:40 GMT
#94
I seriously love that playlist you linked in the OP ( http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAAC2C13A337F1B48&feature=mh_lolz ). I've been listening to it at work when programming, as I find music helps me be less distracted.

I think I will definitely do this for my future games. It's hard to get grumpy or tense or angry when there are SUNSHINE, LOLLIPOPS and RAINBOWS, everything that's wonderful.....

Does anyone have a great playlist of this style, but longer? 11 songs just isn't enough!
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
dotDash
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden142 Posts
May 03 2012 12:16 GMT
#95
Thank you.
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ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
May 03 2012 14:26 GMT
#96
Is this nonsense seriously still going on? If you stress out over this game, then maybe you just dont enjoy it. If you dont enjoy it, stop playing. Thats what incontrol always says.
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
May 03 2012 14:40 GMT
#97
Sick sick sickness sickity dope.

I really appreciate the tips.

I like how you tie this in to real sports. No reason the same strategies can't work.
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DeanMalinco
Profile Joined September 2010
United States43 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 14:48:11
May 03 2012 14:46 GMT
#98
Just to add a few personal things that help me get ready to have a quality SC2 session (with or without it being on ladder).

1) I watch a stream on TL of my race to get me in the right mindset. I usually like to watch one for 15-30 minutes and just kind of get my mind thinking about sc2.

2) Obtain / buy a secondary / smurf account to warm up on. My friend gave me his account and all i do on it is cannon rush or off race every single game for fun. This allows me to warm up and get ready to play my main account. I usually play 2-3 games.

3) Take breaks when you need them. I think a lot of players just spam find match over and over. I do the same thing to grind games when laddering, but knowing when you need a small break is key. If you are winning or losing it is still helpful to take a 5-10 minute break. I will watch some TV, grab a drink, smoke something, go outside on my patio for some fresh air, do some pushups, etc.
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands682 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 15:24:39
May 03 2012 15:18 GMT
#99
I used to have pretty nasty ladder-anxiety. I'd show pretty frightening physical symptoms: shivering with cold, trembling hands, clenched jaws... and that was just when I *considered* playing a ladder game! At this stage I usually hadn't even started the game yet When eventually pressing The Button, my only thoughts would be: "Maybe there's no one online, and I don't have to play? Maybe the algorithm will fail and it won't find me an opponent?"

I overcame most of that by engaging in friendly banter each game. Nowadays I always start my games with something more original then "glhf". I often mourn my fallen scout in public ("Jimmy was good man, and an even better scout!"), and more of that nonsense. It helps me relax, it helps my opponents relax (I guess?), and as a result I have a lot more fun. I often chat with my opponents after the game is finished, and those conversations usually yield some useful feedback. I even get bm'd/cheesed less (or do I just care less, as a result of being a happy gamer?)

Anyways. Imho, tip #7 can be generalized as "be nice to your opponent". Worked miracles for me
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
May 03 2012 15:32 GMT
#100
Nice read, I know a lot of people who suffer from this!
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