EPTAnd no I'm not really some rager, I don't physically harm things when I lose, nor do I take out rage on opponents, I gg wp every game. It's just how I channel the emotions the game sparks up within me in a positive way.
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
And no I'm not really some rager, I don't physically harm things when I lose, nor do I take out rage on opponents, I gg wp every game. It's just how I channel the emotions the game sparks up within me in a positive way. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
the best thing you can do is either admit to yourself you REALLY want to be good at sc2, or admit to yourself that you're better off playing casual. now, if you DO want to be good, what else is there to do BUT TO DO IT? And KEEP doing it? Does an athlete enjoy foam rolling and doing drills at first? No. Does an sc2 amateur enjoy spamming ladder games at first? No. But they do it because they WANT to be COMPETITIVE and that's what it takes. The drive to be competitive is what matters the most. Drewbie practices marinesplit before games probably because he wants to be competitive as possible, and he finds that a very hard micro challenge gets him warmed up. I douuuubt that that routine originated as a way to sate his nerves (only he really knows though). If you want to be competitive, then you can't spend that much time being scared of ladder. Especially because SO many pros have come out and said "when I stopped caring about ladder rank and more about my raw skills, ladder anxiety faded and I played more games more easily AND I got insanely better." That is a butchered quote from at least Demuslim, and I'm sure many other players. bottom line -- sc2 has been out for nearly two years including beta. ladder anxiety is in my experience, something that happens when you are out of practice and care more about your rank/how people see you than how see your own skills. do you want to be good, or do you want to have a top8 master shiny star? if the latter, then derank to diamond and re-rank into master so you get placed in a weak division -- problem solved. if the former, then put in the work. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3071 Posts
Also kind of hard to be anxiety free if you're a competitive person by nature. If you want to win, you're gonna get upset at a loss, and feel reved up at the start of the game. To be carefree but competitive is a hard bat to swing. | ||
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ThunderBum
Australia192 Posts
On April 27 2012 09:28 Vei wrote: disagree with a lot of this thread. the best thing you can do is either admit to yourself you REALLY want to be good at sc2, or admit to yourself that you're better off playing casual. now, if you DO want to be good, what else is there to do BUT TO DO IT? And KEEP doing it? Does an athlete enjoy foam rolling and doing drills at first? No. Does an sc2 amateur enjoy spamming ladder games at first? No. But they do it because they WANT to be COMPETITIVE and that's what it takes. The drive to be competitive is what matters the most. Drewbie practices marinesplit before games probably because he wants to be competitive as possible, and he finds that a very hard micro challenge gets him warmed up. I douuuubt that that routine originated as a way to sate his nerves (only he really knows though). If you want to be competitive, then you can't spend that much time being scared of ladder. Especially because SO many pros have come out and said "when I stopped caring about ladder rank and more about my raw skills, ladder anxiety faded and I played more games more easily AND I got insanely better." That is a butchered quote from at least Demuslim, and I'm sure many other players. bottom line -- sc2 has been out for nearly two years including beta. ladder anxiety is in my experience, something that happens when you are out of practice and care more about your rank/how people see you than how see your own skills. do you want to be good, or do you want to have a top8 master shiny star? if the latter, then derank to diamond and re-rank into master so you get placed in a weak division -- problem solved. if the former, then put in the work. That's a good observation but you haven't actually said anything about how to get motivated to put in the work. People know they shouldn't be hesitant to ladder, but knowing doesn't translate into feeling that way. Not feeling apprehension about the ladder is what people are trying to figure out by approaching the ladder with a different perspective than they one they currently have. Advice such as "just do it" or "get over the fear" is totally meaningless to a person who is obviously having difficulty with it. | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
 .You just have to play more and more until you get over it, the fear of losing disappears over time. I guess music makes you more comfortable, but in my own opinion, all that other warm-up stuff seems a bit silly. | ||
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DjRetro
Chile309 Posts
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
On April 27 2012 09:51 ThunderBum wrote: That's a good observation but you haven't actually said anything about how to get motivated to put in the work. People know they shouldn't be hesitant to ladder, but knowing doesn't translate into feeling that way. Not feeling apprehension about the ladder is what people are trying to figure out by approaching the ladder with a different perspective than they one they currently have. Advice such as "just do it" or "get over the fear" is totally meaningless to a person who is obviously having difficulty with it. His advice isn't simply "just do it" though. He brings up the question of "what do you want from the game?" and then draws an analogy to training in real sports which some people can relate to. I think anyone who has ever trained for a competition within traditional sports can find value in hs advice. No wrestler likes to do drills 3hr a day in a heated room to make weight. Linemen hate bags and boards. Rugby forwards don't like the strain of mauling drills. People general don't enjoy the hard work but do so anyways if they want to compete. Even if his advice is obvious he demonstrates it in a way that reminds people what they work for through a medium which they might have worked through in the past. The advice is not meaningless and I don't think it does anyone any good if you downplay it. | ||
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BrightSideSC2
United States85 Posts
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tritonice
United States119 Posts
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Ragados
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On April 27 2012 10:45 tritonice wrote: djWheat said it awesomely a couple of weeks ago on his stream. Chat trolls were pointing out mistakes in Wheat's play, and Wheat did a patented rant: "I don't care if I lose 50 games in a row, I play to get better and I love the game!" That broke all of my anxiety right there. Now, having two kids keeps me from playing OFTEN. . . . TT Its funny sometimes how he says that, but then when he loses to something silly he starts raging and saying he was so stupid for this and that. Its at that point when it becomes a bit comical, as its hard to believe that he truly "loves" the game. Its probably more appropriate to call it a love/hate relationship  Anyway, its interesting how much work people need to put in to enjoy playing a *game*. But I really like point 8, it does build character. Learning to deal with anxiety and enraging situations can be one of the main benefits of playing this, even if it isn't particularly pleasant, its probably better to learn it in a safe online environment than otherwise. | ||
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Maxtor
United Kingdom273 Posts
Good manners helped too, i felt like when i GGed out, i put that game behind me, win or lose it was fun. Although i am ashamed to say, if just as im about to type out GG and leave, someone tells me to leave the game in chat, i just go afk and grab a cup of tea and a sandwich and when i come back hopefully they're finished, I wish i could be as well mannered as sheth or white-ra! | ||
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ThunderBum
Australia192 Posts
On April 27 2012 10:04 BearStorm wrote: His advice isn't simply "just do it" though. He brings up the question of "what do you want from the game?" and then draws an analogy to training in real sports which some people can relate to. I think anyone who has ever trained for a competition within traditional sports can find value in hs advice. No wrestler likes to do drills 3hr a day in a heated room to make weight. Linemen hate bags and boards. Rugby forwards don't like the strain of mauling drills. People general don't enjoy the hard work but do so anyways if they want to compete. Even if his advice is obvious he demonstrates it in a way that reminds people what they work for through a medium which they might have worked through in the past. The advice is not meaningless and I don't think it does anyone any good if you downplay it. I feel that his post is aimed at people who want be competitive and want to know how to practice to get there, which isn't totally unrelated to ladder anxiety but it's not the same either. Playing SC2 isn't a case of choosing to either be a pro, or not care and be a casual, there is a significant population in the middle where people want to win and improve, but know they won't be pro. You are right in that it isn't a meaningless post, and I said I thought it was a good observation. But that one line where he says "now, if you DO want to be good, what else is there to do BUT TO DO IT? And KEEP doing it?" is meaningless in the context of overcoming ladder anxiety. I put that in a separate paragraph to try and indicate that that one thing by itself was what I was referring to as meaningless. | ||
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OSM.OneManArmy
United States509 Posts
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
Don't be afraid to holler. ;D see what i did there? | ||
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jeeeeohn
United States1343 Posts
I'm an extremely anxious person. I get wound up when I play. If I lose a game in which I perceived an advantage, I'm going to rage 100% of the time (especially against Protoss). Like with Brood War: I don't want to put in hundreds of hours just to be not-awful TO THEN have a CHANCE of enjoying this "game." I can honestly say that the only time I really have fun playing SC2 is when I'm offracing on my smurf account (sky terran! <3), and even then I get upset when I lose. Throw in the fact that half the people you meet on ladder are going to BM you, it's just completely depressing. Losing ruins my night. But really, maybe it's just me. I tend to rage in anything competitive (man, you should have seen me in basketball 3-4 years ago...being around me during one of my "moments" was bad for your health). I have a lot of pent up aggression and in all honesty I probably need counseling, even though 99% of the time I'm perfectly calm and wouldn't hurt a fly. I've had ladder anxiety since I was a 13 year old playing WC3. You either have it or you don't, and there's no real way to get rid of it. So, yeah, as sad as it sounds, "get over it" is the only real advice you can give someone. Edit: not to say it was a bad post! In fact I'll probably take most of it to heart. Just saying it won't be applicable to everyone. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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vlnplyr
United States76 Posts
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Logan_ps
United Kingdom118 Posts
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Sweden704 Posts
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