EPTOn March 10 2012 12:48 glyoArtOfWar wrote:
you destroy the floor and lay a new foundation
you destroy the floor and lay a new foundation
Destroy upper floor to further improve, or destroy current floor to portrait farm deep under bronze.
reach your skill ceiling = give the game up? - Page 16
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Orek
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Destroy upper floor to further improve, or destroy current floor to portrait farm deep under bronze. | ||
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kyriores
Greece178 Posts
I don't want to discourage you from trying, don't get me wrong. However, before deciding to do so I suggest you make sure that it is strategy that holds you back and not a "ceiling" in physical capabilities such as multitasking and reflexes. In this case trying to improve would be a waste of time in my opinion. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:39 kyriores wrote: I believe that there is a skill limit for every player. I mean, if you really haven't improved after a year of hard training (provided that you recognize your mistakes in each matchup but fail to improve because you feel that you just can't keep up with your opponent's apm, precision of your moves, etc) you probably can't get much better at the game. It is true in every game I've played so far that people who devote more time playing are generally better than the more casual players, but even between those there are "noobs and pros". I don't want to discourage you from trying, don't get me wrong. However, before deciding to do so I suggest you make sure that it is strategy that holds you back and not a "ceiling" in physical capabilities such as multitasking and reflexes. In this case trying to improve would be a waste of time in my opinion. Well does that ever happen? To anyone? A full year of hard practice with no improvement, I seriously doubt that. You have to take into consideration that bronze, silver, or any league isn't what it was a year ago, so even if you haven't reached a new league you may have improved a lot anyway. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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kyriores
Greece178 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:44 hifriend wrote: Well does that ever happen? To anyone? A full year of hard practice with no improvement, I seriously doubt that. You have to take into consideration that bronze, silver, or any league isn't what it was a year ago, so even if you haven't reached a new league you may have improved a lot anyway. Exactly. That's why low leagues are mostly occupied by players that either don't devote much time to the game or are just new to it. You can't however overlook the fact that at some point you will reach your peak because of physical limitations. Physical limitations exist and even though it's silly to believe that someone in bronze-gold can't improve anymore it is definitely a possibility for higher ranked players. Of course that's just my opinion based on my personal experience from playing competitive games. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
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Darknat
United States122 Posts
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kevinthemighty
United States134 Posts
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kevinthemighty
United States134 Posts
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
I have never felt like I reached a skill ceiling. Every game has something I can improve on, whether it's reading my opponent, learning a new strategy, or refining my build order. Maybe take another look at your replays. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:45 wajd wrote: When you want to be serous with this game and it just isn't happening. Do you have to just suck it up and tell yourself to give up this dream, and stop playing? Accept the fact that this game is so easy for alot of people, but I'm not one of them. So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? what i do when i reach my skill ceiling? (sometime in the future) i will enjoy the game! like the challenge you get at that level. i mean what's the point of putting so much effort into something and then letting it go to waste? people who can't enjoy their skill once they get slightly good are to be pitied. i don't need to go pro or semi-pro to enjoy it. if you are going down a long arduous road you want to have something out of it later, in this case it would be enjoying the path there and being content with the end result | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
This applies to virtually anything in life, apply yourself, try, and you will break that ceiling whether it's education, job, games, whatever. btw, having peers and mentors helps too  | ||
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DeekZ
Australia235 Posts
So yeah, there's no such thing as a skill ceiling so just keep doing what you're doing and you'll eventually improve. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:49 zOula... wrote: How much are you playing? how many games per day on average? Out of all those things you listed, playing is really the most beneficial thing to do to improve. You might not have reached your skill ceiling, you might just not be playing enough While this is absolutely true, it kind of is possible to hit your "effective skill ceiling." I'm luckily to play 10 games a week and often times I don't even play for a week or more at a time. I honestly can't get drastically better than I am with that kind of play time. I should also mention that 10 games is if I don't review replays in any meaningful way. I've finished at the top of my diamond division a few times, but honestly, I'm highly unlikely to improve much beyond where I am. I want to be clear that I am not saying I "should" be able to improve, or that I have some kind of right to, but its just the reality of the situation. | ||
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HansK
249 Posts
On March 30 2012 13:08 SnuggleZhenya wrote: While this is absolutely true, it kind of is possible to hit your "effective skill ceiling." I'm luckily to play 10 games a week and often times I don't even play for a week or more at a time. I honestly can't get drastically better than I am with that kind of play time. I should also mention that 10 games is if I don't review replays in any meaningful way. I've finished at the top of my diamond division a few times, but honestly, I'm highly unlikely to improve much beyond where I am. I want to be clear that I am not saying I "should" be able to improve, or that I have some kind of right to, but its just the reality of the situation. It's not that you can't improve, it's that you're not willing to do what it takes to improve. If you played 30 games a day in a pro house and cared/had confidence and had people assisting holes in your play etc, you would improve. | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
On March 30 2012 13:21 HansK wrote: It's not that you can't improve, it's that you're not willing to do what it takes to improve. If you played 30 games a day in a pro house and cared/had confidence and had people assisting holes in your play etc, you would improve. Why is it that this is the response I see so often? Yes, what you say is obviously true. But why are we ignoring people's actual lives so often here? I'm happy with where I am in SC2, and I'm happy with where I am in life. I could improve in some hypothetical magical universe that doesn't exist, but in my current situation I can not. I don't understand why people either 1) find the need to try and refute this and 2) seem to get upset when people make the claim. I'm no scrub, I played games competitively (not professionally, but in leagues) for a decade, I know what it takes to improve. I also know I no longer have a lifestyle which supports what is needed. People don't choose whether or not they want to keep playing a video game based on a hypothetical like "if I lived in a pro house," the reason the OP feels compelled to quit is because he doesn't feel he can improve is his current situation, and he is justified in doing so if he wants to. Personally, it takes all the time I have just to maintain my current skill level - but I am satisfied with that and can live playing under those circumstances, but that doesn't mean everyone would want to, or should feel compelled to if they don't want to. | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
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Eviscerador
Spain286 Posts
Don't take SC2 as a job, just have fun. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
Offracing can be good too if you struggle in a matchup or just want to try something new. | ||
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