EPTreach your skill ceiling = give the game up? - Page 17
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
Not being a progamer at this stage simply means that you haven't worked enough for it. The notion that talent somehow roots out people is ridiculous. Talents makes you learn stuff faster. You can still learn that stuff with the right ammount of focused practise. | ||
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redDuke
Australia207 Posts
On March 10 2012 13:02 Xarow wrote: until you're using 100% of your brain, you haven't reached your skill ceiling. this applies to everything. My life motto ^^ Also, HOTS will come out and give you new strategies etc to employ so this may expand game play and allow you to play as you want to be able to. | ||
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Broodie
Canada832 Posts
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On March 30 2012 17:48 Naniwa wrote: you only reach your skill ceiling when you think you have That's a cute motivational poster. To follow this to its logical conclusion, everyone who is stuck at a ladder rank has a bad attitude or isn't trying or EVERYONE in their league is improving at EXACTLY the same rate. Really? | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On March 30 2012 17:53 StarBrift wrote: The "your skill ceiling" you're talking about is when you have perfect macro/micro and your reaction is honed to your personal max. Not being a progamer at this stage simply means that you haven't worked enough for it. The notion that talent somehow roots out people is ridiculous. Talents makes you learn stuff faster. You can still learn that stuff with the right ammount of focused practise. If I work hard enough, can I be in the NBA, too? Guess what: just because I am the same height as Nate Robinson does not mean I will EVER be able to dunk, no matter how many hours I train. I think far too many children on these forums were given overly optimistic impressions about their potential by well meaning parents. | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
On March 30 2012 23:41 U_G_L_Y wrote: If I work hard enough, can I be in the NBA, too? Guess what: just because I am the same height as Nate Robinson does not mean I will EVER be able to dunk, no matter how many hours I train. And even if you could, the argument that it is hypothetically possible doesn't address the real issue we are talking about which is the skill ceiling given actual existing conditions. You're not going to drop everything to train basketball 12 hours a day even if you are an ok basketball player and play pick up games at the YMCA every week because you do other things. It could be that you've hit your skill ceiling *for the amount of time you have to spend.* Likewise in SC2 telling someone who says they've hit their skill ceiling to just play more is a ridiculous response. There is a legitimate discussion to be had about this - Is SC2 worth playing if you are both 1) someone who enjoys doing things for the sake of improvement and 2) feel you can't *reasonably* (emphasis on reasonably) manage to improve given your lifestyle. Yet it seems like people aren't to take it seriously. I understand this is a competitive community, but not every reason for not being able to improve is a whine, nor is it an appeal that they should be able to improve and play at a higher level. It can just really be acknowledging the reality of your situation. | ||
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PeanutsNJam
United States175 Posts
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lhr0909
United States562 Posts
On March 30 2012 17:48 Naniwa wrote: you only reach your skill ceiling when you think you have Naniwa, I made this just for you ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kDJgl.jpg) | ||
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Sovano
United States1503 Posts
Not going to lie, that's a pretty good quote. | ||
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hakureiken
United States10 Posts
On March 30 2012 23:22 U_G_L_Y wrote: That's a cute motivational poster. To follow this to its logical conclusion, everyone who is stuck at a ladder rank has a bad attitude or isn't trying or EVERYONE in their league is improving at EXACTLY the same rate. Really? The mass public that plays SC2 knows "what" to think; they don't know how to think. The majority of players and build only mimic what they have seen, but have no ability to create something for themselves. The players who are constantly improving are the ones who are constantly theorycrafting what beats the current builds and setups they currently have (and improving them) while constantly thinking about what will beat the build that just caused a loss. Mimicry will only get individuals so far-- mechanics will only get individuals so far. Each individual setup is in a constant state of flux; the game itself is utterly dynamic. Becoming too far set in one pattern or one way of play will cause losses. Striving to improve, noticing mistakes, and being /willing/ to be your own worst critic allows someone to progress further. If there is something wrong in an individual's play, it must be admitted, noticed, not forgotten, and then fixed. 99% of SC2 isn't willing to do this (or they just don't care). I agree with Naniwa-- you have only arrived at your highest ability if you think you have; but it is dumb for /anyone/ to think that. | ||
alpinefpOPP
United States134 Posts
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meatybacon
United States36 Posts
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Spoogymcgee
Australia14 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:45 wajd wrote: So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? When you've tried everything to get better, meaning - watching your own replays, downloading replays, practicing every day, laddering, watching streams, watching live events, reading strategy threads, trying to seek coaching when you can't afford it, asking questions whenever you can... I mean everything. And none of it works. When you have been the same rank for a year and half. When you join a custom game, and you end up playing a master, and the game isn't even remotely close. (im a protoss plat) When you want to be serous with this game and it just isn't happening. Do you have to just suck it up and tell yourself to give up this dream, and stop playing? Accept the fact that this game is so easy for alot of people, but I'm not one of them. So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? I understand what you are saying, I've found the best way to advance my play is by playing with friends and getting them point out mistakes in my games/replays. Also I wouldn't try to do anything cute with your play just work on basics (Maxing out, taking expansions, building right units, practising force fields/storms). Most of all to get better and improve your skill you have to be having fun while you play. Never quit or you wont get better. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:49 Pantythief wrote: You play Skyrim for 5 minutes and realize how bad it is. Then you turn StarCraft 2 back on. User was warned for this post why is this post warned.. i played skyrim for about 10mins before getting bored and quitting.. anyways i pretty much reached my casual ceiling in masters. id have to play alot more to get any better and thats not realistic due to carpel tunnel | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
I've been playing on/off since 99 and I still feel I progress just slightly every game. | ||
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sorrowptoss
Canada1431 Posts
When you have been the same rank for a year and half. When you join a custom game, and you end up playing a master, and the game isn't even remotely close. (im a protoss plat) In no way does that mean you have reached a "skill ceiling". It simply means you lost to a better player. Now that I've said that a skill ceiling doesn't even exist, even in a world that it did exist, it still wouldn't be a good reason to give up on a game. You don't play a game because you want to understand it 100% and know every build or whatever, you play it to have fun. If understanding a game is the source of fun for you then by all means quit, but keep in mind that there will always be more to learn from a game. Some concrete advice: try out a new race. I started SC2 as a protoss and reached high diamond, then I got bored of such a (imho) non-versatile race (imho!!) so I switched to zerg and reached high plat, then I got bored again and reached low diamond with terran, and that's where I'm at. Switching races revives the love for this game, trust me! | ||
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xlava
United States676 Posts
 Its a great game, play it to have fun and to get better, not just to get better. | ||
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Robble Dobble
Canada36 Posts
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