• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:43
CET 18:43
KST 02:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT13Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker15
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Team League Season 10
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ TvZ is the most complete match up Gypsy to Korea Brood War inspired Terran vs Zerg cinematic – feed
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Search For Meaning in Vi…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2656 users

reach your skill ceiling = give the game up? - Page 18

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 All
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 04 2012 06:29 GMT
#341
The ladder system makes people think they've hit their skill ceiling since you don't advance if you're improving but not improving faster than everyone else. You can actually improve each season skill-wise and go down in leagues since each league gets harder each season except maybe bronze since there's always new players.
mataxp
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Chile538 Posts
April 04 2012 06:36 GMT
#342
reach your skill ceiling? try out new/fun builds

Carriers dont work pvp :/(high diamond at least )
Liquid.Hero Startale.Bomber MVP.Dongraegu
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
April 04 2012 06:47 GMT
#343
On March 10 2012 12:48 glyoArtOfWar wrote:
you destroy the floor and lay a new foundation


Simply an awesome way to put it.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
doffe
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden636 Posts
April 04 2012 06:54 GMT
#344
lets be clear, if noone else have said so before. If you have had the same rank for 1.5years you have improved. You just havnt gotten better relativly to the other players. The skill required to reach diamond now is soooo much higher then in season 1. I wouldnt be suprised if you with your current skill would be high diamond/low masters in s1/2 had you been able to go back in time.

Even so, what is your goal? If you have some sort of serious ambitions about starcraft 2 Id probably lower them by now. Plat for 1.5years almost certinly means that their is no way you can play at the highest level, sorry but thats just how it is. Sadly talent is just as big a part of this game as work ethic.
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
April 04 2012 06:55 GMT
#345
change race, cos learning new races is fun
Grubby - SaSe - Oz - Hero
Coated
Profile Joined August 2011
United States74 Posts
April 04 2012 07:19 GMT
#346
I'm biased to this 'skill cap' idea. I've seen plenty of pro's litterally sit at the same rank for years, then suddenly, they become GM, or they get this sudden burst of skill. I think a person's skill cap is merely their inability to push through those times when their is an obvious stalemate.

Having said that, if you feel you truley have hit this 'skill cap' and honestly arent having fun anymore, then play another race. A lot of my friends who felt they could not advance and just generally were not having fun did this and began loving the game again. It gave them new challenges, new build orders and a fresh outlook on something they havent experienced. A couple of them even got higher ranks than their 'main' race, which I found humorous.
Another one bites the dust
Janders
Profile Joined June 2011
Mexico222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 07:28:14
April 04 2012 07:24 GMT
#347
i was diamond 3 season in a row and was really frustrated about not being masters, i just didint care and kept laddering and now im top masters(i was improving a lot even thought i didint realize). or you might actually need coaching my friend was silver for like 2 seasons, got coaching from desrow and now he is diamond mid-top. maybe have someone telling you what to do like make more workers spend your minerals etc. that is REEEEEEEAAALLLY helpful too.
all are really helpful.
:D
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 09:38:45
April 04 2012 09:36 GMT
#348
then your basics are wrong if you really cant step one step ahead, its time to go one back or even more and rebuild your basics from the ground, cause something is going wrong

ps: perhaps you NEED help, so ask some master/diamonds to help you

STOP watching PRO reaplys PRO streams etc that wont help you. go and watch some diamonds and master replays, its like a 10th league soccer player watch messi and try his tricks, when he should try some tricks from league 3
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Nihilnovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden696 Posts
April 04 2012 09:44 GMT
#349
On April 04 2012 18:36 CoR wrote:
then your basics are wrong if you really cant step one step ahead, its time to go one back or even more and rebuild your basics from the ground, cause something is going wrong

ps: perhaps you NEED help, so ask some master/diamonds to help you

STOP watching PRO reaplys PRO streams etc that wont help you. go and watch some diamonds and master replays, its like a 10th league soccer player watch messi and try his tricks, when he should try some tricks from league 3


Pretty much this, you can get masters just by having solid foundations in rts. If you feel stuck at a certain "skill level" and unable to advance no matter what then you are doing something very very wrong. Stop trying to reach for the stars when you can't even catch a butterfly!
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
April 04 2012 10:24 GMT
#350
On April 04 2012 18:36 CoR wrote:
then your basics are wrong if you really cant step one step ahead, its time to go one back or even more and rebuild your basics from the ground, cause something is going wrong

ps: perhaps you NEED help, so ask some master/diamonds to help you

STOP watching PRO reaplys PRO streams etc that wont help you. go and watch some diamonds and master replays, its like a 10th league soccer player watch messi and try his tricks, when he should try some tricks from league 3


Watching pro replays >>>> watching diamond/masters replays, even if you're in bronze league.

Even if you don't understand everything you are watching, humans are very good at pattern recognition. If you watch 1000 pro games you will have a better understanding of how the game is supposed to flow, where your units are supposed to be, etc. This isn't even to mention the fact that you can learn better specifics such as build orders.
www.infinityseven.net
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
April 04 2012 10:26 GMT
#351
no

you just move it a little higher.. and higher..
T H C makes ppl happy
wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
April 04 2012 15:27 GMT
#352
On April 04 2012 15:54 doffe wrote:
Even so, what is your goal? If you have some sort of serious ambitions about starcraft 2 Id probably lower them by now. Plat for 1.5years almost certinly means that their is no way you can play at the highest level, sorry but thats just how it is. Sadly talent is just as big a part of this game as work ethic.


Yes, my goal is to play at a high level, maybe even become pro. But I've already begun to realize, a while ago in fact, it will never happen. Maybe I just don't have that talent or some other skill needed to be really "good" at this game.
It's just hard letting go of a dream...
Falconpauunch
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (South)59 Posts
April 04 2012 16:01 GMT
#353
You break the ceiling, and search for a new one
:)
IIIOmegaIII
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden319 Posts
April 04 2012 17:35 GMT
#354
there is no ceiling in sc2, if the pros are evolving then ur no special boy. there is only plateaus and there is always a reason for them. ur simply just either learning the wrong way, or ur just not giving it the effort equal to the result u wanna reach.
Cortza
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
South Africa328 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 20:53:42
April 04 2012 20:52 GMT
#355
On April 04 2012 19:24 iSTime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 18:36 CoR wrote:
then your basics are wrong if you really cant step one step ahead, its time to go one back or even more and rebuild your basics from the ground, cause something is going wrong

ps: perhaps you NEED help, so ask some master/diamonds to help you

STOP watching PRO reaplys PRO streams etc that wont help you. go and watch some diamonds and master replays, its like a 10th league soccer player watch messi and try his tricks, when he should try some tricks from league 3


Watching pro replays >>>> watching diamond/masters replays, even if you're in bronze league.

Even if you don't understand everything you are watching, humans are very good at pattern recognition. If you watch 1000 pro games you will have a better understanding of how the game is supposed to flow, where your units are supposed to be, etc. This isn't even to mention the fact that you can learn better specifics such as build orders.


Sometimes when people watch pro replays, all they see is how shit they are in comparison. Sometimes people need to learn by other ways, like through seeing their peers (people on the same level) teach them interesting moves, which may incidentally have been learned by watching pros do it, but the point is its coming from a player whose skill you can relate to. We all know where the end point is. It's not like we develop only by imitating pro players 24-7.
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
April 04 2012 20:56 GMT
#356
Take a break for a while, perhaps play another race or team games instead and then come back in a few weeks with a fresh mindset. Its easy to get stuck in bad habits and make the same mistakes over and over again.
wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
April 04 2012 21:56 GMT
#357
I think my ceiling is in fact Plat. I'm now being matched against Golds regularly on the ladder, and losing. Probably will be demoted at the start of next season....
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 04 2012 22:24 GMT
#358
On April 04 2012 19:24 iSTime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 18:36 CoR wrote:
then your basics are wrong if you really cant step one step ahead, its time to go one back or even more and rebuild your basics from the ground, cause something is going wrong

ps: perhaps you NEED help, so ask some master/diamonds to help you

STOP watching PRO reaplys PRO streams etc that wont help you. go and watch some diamonds and master replays, its like a 10th league soccer player watch messi and try his tricks, when he should try some tricks from league 3


Watching pro replays >>>> watching diamond/masters replays, even if you're in bronze league.

Even if you don't understand everything you are watching, humans are very good at pattern recognition. If you watch 1000 pro games you will have a better understanding of how the game is supposed to flow, where your units are supposed to be, etc. This isn't even to mention the fact that you can learn better specifics such as build orders.


Depends what part we're talking about if you're not in Bronze Silver Gold then yeah pro replays are what you should be looking at, I learned how to play against mech in diamond from watching Violets replays.
In Bronze/silver/gold the best thing you can do is just play, learn the metagame of that league and play to it
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Prev 1 16 17 18 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 339
elazer 150
ProTech142
BRAT_OK 80
UpATreeSC 65
goblin 39
MindelVK 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2283
Horang2 859
Larva 343
firebathero 268
BeSt 217
Shuttle 169
Light 141
ggaemo 114
Mong 87
Rush 80
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 72
PianO 50
ZergMaN 32
JulyZerg 20
Dota 2
Gorgc6240
LuMiX0
League of Legends
C9.Mang046
Counter-Strike
fl0m3646
pashabiceps987
Foxcn741
adren_tv56
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor139
Other Games
singsing2199
Grubby2166
FrodaN1944
hiko783
Beastyqt633
ceh9376
DeMusliM272
Hui .211
Liquid`VortiX147
RotterdaM131
KnowMe83
QueenE66
Trikslyr56
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL50709
Other Games
BasetradeTV20
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 26
• poizon28 18
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix3
• Michael_bg 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis7480
• TFBlade1109
Other Games
• Shiphtur364
• WagamamaTV140
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h 17m
PiG Sty Festival
15h 17m
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
The PondCast
16h 17m
KCM Race Survival
16h 17m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
18h 17m
OSC
18h 17m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 15h
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Escore
1d 16h
Epic.LAN
1d 18h
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Epic.LAN
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-League Week 31
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.