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m1rk3
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada412 Posts
March 24 2012 18:20 GMT
#261
I think someone reaches their ceiling when shit hits the fan... that is to say that they lose so much and feel lost... literally, then , shit has hit the fan = quit
For the Dominion!
mahO
Profile Joined April 2011
France274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 18:46:01
March 24 2012 18:35 GMT
#262
On March 10 2012 12:45 wajd wrote:
So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? When you've tried everything to get better, meaning - watching your own replays, downloading replays, practicing every day, laddering, watching streams, watching live events, reading strategy threads, trying to seek coaching when you can't afford it, asking questions whenever you can... I mean everything. And none of it works. When you have been the same rank for a year and half. When you join a custom game, and you end up playing a master, and the game isn't even remotely close. (im a protoss plat)

When you want to be serous with this game and it just isn't happening. Do you have to just suck it up and tell yourself to give up this dream, and stop playing? Accept the fact that this game is so easy for alot of people, but I'm not one of them.

So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling?


Lol man, I was taking you seriously until i saw that you're plat protoss. And i'm absolutely not playing the "cocky master" act, everyone starts somewhere, but at plat protoss, you COULD get way better even with 80 years old hands. And i'm serious when saying that, I actually am pretty slow, 90~100 apm at mid master level, and it would be (almost) the same level at 70~80. Things you must work on as a protoss and that is hard? Control! : It will take tons of games, and the most dangerous thing in SC2 : when you're actually improving but not realizing it AT ALL. Thats the "boring" or / hard part of SC2, dedication, to train despite the amount of training ahead of you, and the possibility that you might take 3 months to fix your gameplay, but maybe it will turn around in a week, you cant really know, you just have to train, and if you can, against the same people, find training partners, and you will know how to improve, not necessarely by chatting with your mate, but especially when you know the skill level of your opponent, you can evaluate your own and find your mistakes on a 15 games range.

So no, I could speak about skill ceiling myself, I'm mid master for around 6 months, I tried many things, my hands just freeze up to add the additional control & macro management, so I just cant get to top master, really clearly, for months, thats skill ceiling, you're really far from being there, just work on your style and dont look for excuses

P.S: Loosing to a Master is really ok, I think Master league is like 2 or 3% top of the servers? People often describe "non masters" as noobs but it just aint true, even Plat is already quite high
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
March 24 2012 19:00 GMT
#263
Break the skill ceiling by getting a team, improve, get better...
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 24 2012 19:07 GMT
#264
you never can reach skill ceiling
Shivvy
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada37 Posts
March 24 2012 19:13 GMT
#265
There really is no skill ceiling in my opinion. What I think happens to us lower-league players (I'm only top gold at the moment) is that we're slowly but surely starting to play players who somewhat know what they're doing. Rushes aren't as easy, simply making mass marines doesn't work as easily anymore (:p) and build orders slowly start to matter. I for one appreciate the fact that this game actually requires training (versus CoD in which you can become a god in a month). Just keep trying. You're plat? Find a diamond practice partner for each race and have them critique you. Then, focus on that. You're in platinum therefore we can assume your macro is decent so maybe it's your decision making, positioning etc.

Just don't give up man. Enjoy the game, accept the losses. More GG more skill.
More GG more skill.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
March 24 2012 19:25 GMT
#266
Quit I guess, since Blizzard apparently only balances the game for the top 0.5% of players.
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
March 25 2012 22:13 GMT
#267
On March 25 2012 04:25 SupLilSon wrote:
Quit I guess, since Blizzard apparently only balances the game for the top 0.5% of players.


That's the only place you can balance it. When you lose a game at the lower levels it has to do with your lack of skill, not the balance. A pro can beat a noob using a somewhat broken build any day of the weak.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 00:42:44
March 26 2012 00:40 GMT
#268
whatever you end up doing dont let it ruin your life. i'm not trolling or anything, it's really easy to get sucked in to a point where you devote time to sc2 that you would have otherwise spent studying, working, or having a more well rounded social life. I'm not blaming sc2, this can happen with any activity/hobby/drug/relationship/etc
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Jhimmibhob
Profile Joined January 2012
United States6 Posts
March 26 2012 03:22 GMT
#269
Reaching one's "ceiling" implies some kind of progression, which unfortunately doesn't happen to us all. I'm as incompetent now as I was the day I started (1-for-infinity), but strive to enjoy the game for what it is. It's incredibly elegant and fun to experience, even when you're getting steamrolled for the hundredth time and falling to the cellar of your assigned bronze league. I'd be in grave trouble if I demanded progression as the price for entertainment.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
March 26 2012 03:28 GMT
#270
On March 10 2012 12:48 glyoArtOfWar wrote:
you destroy the floor and lay a new foundation

First post in this thread, from a new poster, with an awesomely inspiring quote.

Dunno why I'm pointing this out. It just made me feel happy.
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
March 26 2012 03:55 GMT
#271
You keep playing for fun?

Most people don't quit basketball, football, chess, or whatever other fun hobby they do because they plateau in skill. Don't understand why people treat SC2 any different. You more than likely aren't going pro and probably never even wanted to.
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 04:35:07
March 26 2012 04:23 GMT
#272
Switch races for a season. Get a 2nd account if you have to, but playing the other races can give you an insight into your main race that was lacking before about what can and can't be done.

Find someone to watch your replays with you. Chances are you are incorrectly diagnosing your mistakes and correcting the wrong aspect of your play.
Rasera
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada96 Posts
March 26 2012 07:34 GMT
#273
Remember that the game is always progressing. A platinum player at game release was nowhere near where a platinum player is now, skill-wise.

The fact that you are still in the same league means you are progressing at the same rate as the rest of the ladder. You haven't plateau'd, it's that the ladder has progressed along with you.

To get ahead of the curve again is hard, but if you do what a lot of people have suggested in this thread, you can improve and get past it.
"Sir, the Yamato Cannon is fully charged and ready." "Excellent! Now, aim it at that Zealot's face."
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
March 26 2012 07:48 GMT
#274
I reached my peak, got to GM on SEA and NA and than I lost my competitive nature.. switched to LoL and didn't look back.
Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
March 26 2012 07:49 GMT
#275
Do you have fun playing the game and trying to improve?

If so then keep playing.

If not then maybe consider a different hobby.
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
PeanutsNJam
Profile Joined April 2011
United States175 Posts
March 27 2012 17:58 GMT
#276
On March 26 2012 16:48 SuperFanBoy wrote:
I reached my peak, got to GM on SEA and NA and than I lost my competitive nature.. switched to LoL and didn't look back.


That's like saying you went from playing chess to connect 4. If I was a solid GM on 2 servers I'd totally try and play in major tournaments.
MrJargon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom158 Posts
March 27 2012 18:34 GMT
#277
Practice even harder than you have been.
Marduce
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada14 Posts
March 27 2012 20:04 GMT
#278
"Bruce Lee had me up to three miles a day, really at a good pace. We'd run the three miles in twenty-one or twenty-two minutes. Just under eight minutes a mile [Note: when running on his own in 1968, Lee would get his time down to six-and-a-half minutes per mile.] So this morning he said to me, "We're going to go five." I said, "Bruce, I can't go five. I'm a helluva lot older than you are, and I can't do five." He said, "When we get to three, we'll shift gears and it's only two more and you'll do it." I said, "Okay, hell, I'll go for it." So we get to three, we go into the fourth mile and I'm okay for three or four minutes, and then I really begin to give out. I'm tired, my heart's pounding. I can't go any more and so I say to him, "Bruce, if I run any more," -- and we're still running -- "if i run any more I'm liable to have a heart attack and die." He said, "Then die." It made me so mad that I went the full five miles. Afterward I went to the shower and then I wanted to talk to him about it. I said, you know, "Why did you say that?" He said, "Because you might as well be dead. Seriously, if you always put limits on what you can do, physical or anything else, it'll spread over into the rest of your life. It'll spread limits into your work, into your morality, into your entire being. There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level."
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 20:08:01
March 27 2012 20:07 GMT
#279
there is no such thing as a skill ceiling as long as you don't win every single one of your games you can always improve

if you have an injury or something thats a different story but if you don't there is no skill ceiling imo

EDIT: and for sc2 i guarantee you that noone has reached his skill ceiling yet if you think that there is one
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
March 27 2012 22:33 GMT
#280
Go the opposite direction. Start having fun and stop worrying about rank. Play Random. Try crazy builds.
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