EPTreach your skill ceiling = give the game up? - Page 13
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DarKcS
Australia1237 Posts
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:48 glyoArtOfWar wrote: you destroy the floor and lay a new foundation Yes, just yes. Once you reach the skill ceiling, you just add a new addition to the house. | ||
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-_-Quails
Australia796 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:45 wajd wrote: So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? When you've tried everything to get better, meaning - watching your own replays, downloading replays, practicing every day, laddering, watching streams, watching live events, reading strategy threads, trying to seek coaching when you can't afford it, asking questions whenever you can... I mean everything. And none of it works. When you have been the same rank for a year and half. When you join a custom game, and you end up playing a master, and the game isn't even remotely close. (im a protoss plat) When you want to be serous with this game and it just isn't happening. Do you have to just suck it up and tell yourself to give up this dream, and stop playing? Accept the fact that this game is so easy for alot of people, but I'm not one of them. So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? Unannounced monobattles on ladder. You'll have a lot of fun, lose a lot, get a lot of confused reactions and eventually you'll develop perfect forcefields from all the sentry only games. | ||
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Adamgm
Canada68 Posts
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lubu42
United States314 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
What you can do is stop getting better because you believe it's impossible to actually play better than you already are. But it's not possible to reach a point where you metaphysically can't improve anymore. If you believe that's the case then you're holding yourself back mentally. If you're frustrated that you don't seem to be getting better, I recommend you watch professional players cast games. Not casters, but pros. Hearing Destiny, Idra and Catz talk about how they approach the game will throw your own perception of the game out of the window. Soon you'll be looking at things from a different perspective and you'll start improving your play again. Edit: There are way more aspects to SC2 than just rote mechanics, micro and macro. There are a SHITLOAD of subtleties that make a difference at a higher level, especially if you're plat/gold/etc. And maybe off-racing or actually changing the civ you play can help. For instance, switch to Terran. | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
When you switch races, the game becomes completely different! and possibly more fun! | ||
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wajd
240 Posts
On March 11 2012 17:25 lubu42 wrote: The thing for me is that you never really reach your skill ceiling. It's all about plateaus (which has been discussed many times before). You get stuck at a point in which you're having lots of trouble/difficulty and you don't know where to go from there. That's usually where you hit a plateau. You need to break through it and get to the next area where you can keep improving. Breaking through this plateau or "Skill Ceiling" requires you finding out why you're having such a tough time lately and figuring out how to fix it. I've hit many of these along the way and I've so far managed to work past them all. One of them even involved me switching races! (T to Z if you wanted to know ;D ) It can get stressful and doubtful but in all honestly just keep playing and watching VOD's and stay on the forums and watch your replays etc etc. and eventually you will figure out whats keeping you down from playing! Good luck my friend!! How long does a plateau last for? Especially when you play everyday, practice everyday, watch streams....basically live for the game. If a plateau lasts forever, isn't that a ceiling, or a skill limit? Example: I recently won 8 of 9 games, all against plat. My play was pretty good, until I was matched against a diamond. And lost, and it wasn't even close. The very next game? Matched against a gold. And lost. Honestly, I don't get it. There must be some other factor to this. Like I'm too old, or I'm not using the right computer or something. There's just nothing else I can do. I can't beat Diamonds, and sometimes I lose to Golds. I'm just a Plat player, no more no less... And I don't understand why there is a debate about a skill ceiling or limit. It exists. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Ur not in masters? Don' bother with build orders/strategy. The reason ur losing is because ur macro and micro aren't good enough, that's the only reason. You can send me 100 replays of ur previous losses and i'm 100% confident u could have won all of them by macroing and microing better. So basically: Stop wasting hours on watching strategy threads and high level streams, those strategies are meant for players that can actually get the most out of them because their mechanics are good enough. What u do is this: Pick 1 build for each matchup, just 1 I don't care what build it is. Ur only allowed to do that build until u reach masters. By only practicing 1 build per matchup u will get better at it leaving u more time to fix ur multitasking/mechanics which is the main thing u need in this game. Masters guaranteed if u do what I just said. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
I don't see why you'd quit if you plateau somewhere below where you wish you could be at. Wanting to give it up would mean that you are not having fun with the game. If you don't enjoy the game, you shouldn't be playing in the first place. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
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Amaterasu1234
United States317 Posts
On March 11 2012 13:33 DarKcS wrote: Someone needs to quote "the art of learning" :/ I'm sure it's ok to post excerpts under fair use. I just so happen to have this book right next to me XD So I'll do the honors: "If a big strong guy comes into a martial arts studio and someone pushes him, he wants to resist and push the guy back to prove that he is a big strong guy. The problem is that he isn't learning anything by doing this. In order to grow, he needs to give up his current mind-set. He needs to lose to win. The bruiser will need to get pushed around by little guys for a while, until he learns how to use more than brawn. William Chen calls this investment in loss. Investment in loss is giving yourself to the learning process." Seriously, this book is definitely living up to all the hype! ----------------------------- On March 25 2012 00:49 wajd wrote: Example: I recently won 8 of 9 games, all against plat. My play was pretty good, until I was matched against a diamond. And lost, and it wasn't even close. The very next game? Matched against a gold. And lost. Honestly, I don't get it. There must be some other factor to this. Like I'm too old, or I'm not using the right computer or something. There's just nothing else I can do. I can't beat Diamonds, and sometimes I lose to Golds. I'm just a Plat player, no more no less... And I don't understand why there is a debate about a skill ceiling or limit. It exists. More than likely you were knocked off your game by the fact that you lost to a diamond by a large margin and your play was off the next game. It happens to everybody. | ||
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logikly
United States329 Posts
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BeeNu
615 Posts
Raise the roof. | ||
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Zerker
Canada201 Posts
I play at least one game a day. 20+ on the days which I am free, which is 2-3 times a week. If I'm not playing, I'm watching a stream/event. 1 game a day, That's where ur going wrong. Play a min of 50 a day. Everday. For the next 1 year. Straight. Without a break. There u go, That's how a korean pro plays. | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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Meatex
Australia285 Posts
then start to tilt and go down to plat league and facing golds this cycle has happened for me twice and you know what I discovered? Its not about multitasking, micro, macro, timings or in game stuff like that. Its about being healthy - having plenty of sleep (this is the biggest one) excercise, eating healthy helps me go from playing plat level to playing masters level. Just saying  | ||
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Hetz
196 Posts
I have been playing this game as zerg since start almost 2 years ago. No beta, no rts experience. I have played about 3500 games now, all custom (since aim too scared to ladder and all i get is 1 base all ins or straight up cheese). I still lose to gold players and my zvz is soo awful I don't even try at all. So all i do is zvp and zvt's. I still suck at macro, scouting and general game sense. I can't say that I enjoy losing 23/7 (unless my opponent is very very bad) but still I keep trying to improve. But this thread made me realize its futile! I reached my skill ceiling (which is so low a child would bump his head). This game just is too hard and everybody does just that build to kill me without effort. IAM SICK OF SC2!! So too answer your question: YES! | ||
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G_G
Canada178 Posts
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
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