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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:54 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Actually you usually are playing for SOMETHING. If not, then why the fuck do I care about watching it? Usually? yes always? no still whoever is playing gives effort and such professional ethic is required in pretty much all the league I watch. | ||
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Juvant
United States723 Posts
I am happy with all parties involved after their respective statements. | ||
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OMGKEI
Australia590 Posts
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:56 Govou wrote: Usually? yes always? no still whoever is playing gives effort and such professional ethic is required in pretty much all the league I watch. Why do you care if they pretend to give effort or not? | ||
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Marl
United States692 Posts
this community is really getting worse as time goes on. | ||
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Phixxx
Sweden14 Posts
NiNiwa Fighting!! | ||
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bobohobo
Canada69 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:58 bobohobo wrote: While his apology is a good thing, I wouldn't be so quick to believe him. After so many records of his bad mannerism, I think we should all reserve our judgement until the next time a similar situation arises and see how he handles the situation. He does not deserve immediate forgiveness of any sort from anyone at the moment. Why do you feel that you have any right to "forgive" him for anything? Who are you? | ||
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LXR
357 Posts
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:57 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Why do you care if they pretend to give effort or not? Actually, I think it's pretty common sense that doesn't even require furthur explanation. Anyway this is Naniwa thread and I wont derail it by engaging it with you. I have a feeling you will not accept my explanation no matter what I say. If you really want to hear it more, then search around. Ive made comment about it many times today alone. | ||
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Toothless`xelrae
94 Posts
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:00 Govou wrote: Actually, I think it's pretty common sense that doesn't even require furthur explanation. Anyway this is Naniwa thread and I wont derail it by engaging it with you. I have a feeling you will not accept my explanation no matter what I say. If you really want to hear it more, then search around. Ive made comment about it many times today alone. It's a rhetorical question. The only legitimate answer is: I shouldn't and the only reason I do is because I am still filled with a child's idea of how things should work. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:58 Teogamer wrote: no one cared when idra went to sleep instead of playing his pool matches at the IPL finals, but naniwa is suddenly an antichrist for what he did at gsl. this community is really getting worse as time goes on. I am pretty sure people were pissed at Idra in the LR thread for IPL3. It wasn't as big of a deal but dont downplay it as if nothing happened. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:47 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: I'm sorry but you do not let someone who is not affiliated with your organization punish the person for breaking a rule within your organization. That is horribly unprofessional. You cannot then claim that you have enforced anything. You didn't enforce or punish anything. They SAY if the player was Korean he would have gotten worse. The only way I see that happening is if the fans asked for it, but I don't think they would. What GOM rule did CoCa break? He was in a different tournament. One unaffiliated with GOM. It is that tournaments responsibility to handle the situation, not GOMs. GOM is not Kespa. GOM is a tournament organizer. ESV handled the situation and hence banned CoCa til 2012. And yes the Korean would've gotten worse. If you're Korean, you know the culture, you know how despised it is, you're not gonna do that and if you do then lol you're fucked. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:02 ninjamyst wrote: I am pretty sure people were pissed at Idra in the LR thread for IPL3. It wasn't as big of a deal but dont downplay it as if nothing happened. Go look at the LR thread. Very few people cared and more people defended him by far than attacked him. It is an entirely different thing though - the pool play there basically meant nothing. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:04 Femari wrote: And yes the Korean would've gotten worse. If you're Korean, you know the culture, you know how despised it is, you're not gonna do that and if you do then lol you're fucked. That's why I hear multiple stories of Koreans throwing games, and have personally seen Koreans throw games, and not only does no one care; but you are about to tell me why it wasn't actually the same and it's ok because Koreans did it and Nani is a huge dick. So yeah, you can understand if I'm not so positive anymore. | ||
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
Perhaps if this was a western tournament people wouldn't be so angry. Quantic and Naniwa, however, made a very good PR statement here. They handled the situation with as much grace as possible. I hope all parties come to an amicable decision. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I'm glad MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL teams don't try to forfeit games where both teams are unable to reach the playoffs. Huk's blame placed on GOM for supposedly poor tournament design is ridiculous in light of this. Look at how hard Matt Barkley and the rest of USC played this season even though they knew from game 1 that they couldn't play in a conference championship game or bowl game (for the uninitiated, see: http://lostangelesblog.wordpress.com/). That is how sports are to be played and life is to be lived. This has absolutely nothing to do with any supposed cultural difference between Korea and NA / Europe. The OSL is the crown jewel of eSports, the shining example of how to make a computer game into an exciting cultural event. And just about every OSL round of 16 contains games between people who can't make the round of 8. I don't remember anyone throwing such games that badly. If a player did something that was suboptimal, they did something fun and creative for the fans, such as (I believe) Much trying to use Corsairs in PvT. Even though the Clippers are still not NBA Finals material with Blake Griffin, his enthusiasm and flashy dunks put more happy people in the seats. The very first GOM event with Tasteless, the very first eSport event I ever watched, the GOM Star Invitational, had a group with both Nada and Boxer. Tasteless had been talking them up all tournament but by the time they faced off, they were both 0-2 and couldn't make the next round. They had no problem with showing up, getting in the booths, and putting on a great show. Imagine how much worse my first impression of eSports would have been, how much less seriously I would take it, had one of them blatantly lost on purpose. I might never have watched another tournament. eSports is nascent; every day someone comes into contact with it the first time and for GOM TV and all of us who are trying to foster it, it is vital that we respect the virtues that keep its spirit alive. Losing a match on purpose, whether anyone bet on it or not, is unbecoming. Nobody on the other side of the planet wants to stay up until the wee hours of the morning to watch a sports show where at any time some player just might not feel like playing. That type of attitude is cancerous and NaNiWa already should have been on his best behavior given his team troubles, which makes his newest statement in response to his newest controversy too unreliable for GOM to keep him around for Code S. The job of the eAthlete is to put their honest best effort into the contests. It doesn't matter if you are the supposed best actor in the world, if you talk like a robot on purpose and don't show up on set just because you think the movie sucks then you deserve to get fired. But why this has to be standard ? Not all fans care for the fun pretend games. Not all players are good at pretending. Why cannot there be a diversity, why not let players that want to play for fans do that and those that do not likewise ? Do we really want a bunch of dishonest actors, it seems that majority (although not overwhelming majority) wants fake, but nicely looking facade. This is exactly the place where market forces would work great. Players that do not attract fans and sponsors would just not have them, there is no reason to force everyone into the same box. Point of the professional scene is in money, so let the market decide. And yes I support tournaments to just not invite players that they do not like, but in transparent manner and with the knowledge that it might bite them in the ass. | ||
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