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I think Nani needs to practice up a little more, and reprioritize his thoughts about E-sports. Because I think that his actions were highly disrespectful to his fans, and for all of the viewers of the GSL.
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On December 15 2011 09:40 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:36 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:34 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:33 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:29 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:22 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:19 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:16 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:15 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:07 Eppa! wrote:
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I think what many people hate about the situation is GomTV lack of moral value and transparency. They have show unreliability, lack of professionalism and bending of rules in their "favour" . i value attitude over skill. Than you do not care about professional sports. It's as simple as that. Go watch an amateur game then, where there is nothing on the line. you put words in my mouth. if its too hard for you to comprehend what i'm trying to say, then dont attempt. I wrote exactly what you said: you said you don't care as much about skill as you do about attitude. I suggest you go find something that isn't based entirely upon skill level then. Boxer has a GREAT attitude. Should he get a GSL Championship because of it? Nope. Attitude means nothing in professional sports. Skill is everything. If you don't agree with this than you clearly don't know what professional sports is about and are suffering under a very common delusion that it's about "love of the game!" "While money is an essential factor in a professional athlete’s life, it is the sincere competitive spirit that enables a mere athlete to become a professional athlete. This spirit entails the will to improve, work hard and try one's best no matter what. It also encompasses a mutual respect between those who share the title of professional athlete, which consequently leads to a certain code of professional conduct. It is this underlying competitive spirit, which goes beyond and is unrelated to any amount of prize money, of every professional athlete that touches and entertains many fans." i agree with that statement, and its the reason why naniwa is getting hostility. you clearly disagree. you're interpreting what i say the way you want to interpret it. That statement is the most self-serving and obviously fake thing I have read in a long time. Naniwa is getting hostility because he pissed off NesTea and had the balls to not lay down like a girl when GOM tried to treat him like a slave. put on your foil hat and start a blog on gomtv conspiracy theory. Go get a dictionary and learn what the words "conspiracy" and "theory" actually mean. Not once did I imply a conspiracy, and this isn't my "theory", it's a fact that GOM and everyone supporting them has recognized without realizing it when they claim that it would have been ok just to pretend like he cared. you're obviously trolling, take care 
That's a good excuse to run away. Don't refute any points, just use ad hominem.
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Some funny people here
Some like that Naniwa issued fake apology for fake issue that arose because of pretend game.
Even funnier people are that dislike fake apology because it is clearly fake, but demand fake pretend game to be played, because that is honorable and respectful.
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Thank you Quantic Gaming. You guys handled this very well.
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On December 15 2011 09:42 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:40 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:36 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:34 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:33 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:29 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:22 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:19 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:16 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:15 jinorazi wrote:
[quote] i value attitude over skill. Than you do not care about professional sports. It's as simple as that. Go watch an amateur game then, where there is nothing on the line. you put words in my mouth. if its too hard for you to comprehend what i'm trying to say, then dont attempt. I wrote exactly what you said: you said you don't care as much about skill as you do about attitude. I suggest you go find something that isn't based entirely upon skill level then. Boxer has a GREAT attitude. Should he get a GSL Championship because of it? Nope. Attitude means nothing in professional sports. Skill is everything. If you don't agree with this than you clearly don't know what professional sports is about and are suffering under a very common delusion that it's about "love of the game!" "While money is an essential factor in a professional athlete’s life, it is the sincere competitive spirit that enables a mere athlete to become a professional athlete. This spirit entails the will to improve, work hard and try one's best no matter what. It also encompasses a mutual respect between those who share the title of professional athlete, which consequently leads to a certain code of professional conduct. It is this underlying competitive spirit, which goes beyond and is unrelated to any amount of prize money, of every professional athlete that touches and entertains many fans." i agree with that statement, and its the reason why naniwa is getting hostility. you clearly disagree. you're interpreting what i say the way you want to interpret it. That statement is the most self-serving and obviously fake thing I have read in a long time. Naniwa is getting hostility because he pissed off NesTea and had the balls to not lay down like a girl when GOM tried to treat him like a slave. put on your foil hat and start a blog on gomtv conspiracy theory. Go get a dictionary and learn what the words "conspiracy" and "theory" actually mean. Not once did I imply a conspiracy, and this isn't my "theory", it's a fact that GOM and everyone supporting them has recognized without realizing it when they claim that it would have been ok just to pretend like he cared. you're obviously trolling, take care That's a good excuse to run away. Don't refute any points, just use ad hominem.
one last one.
your posts have been refuted by many, read em.
you're in denial if you really aren't trolling.
your opinion on what goes on behind gomtv closed doors isn't fact, maybe you should pick up a dictionary and see what "fact" means.
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OMG, this was So unescecary, NAni had nothing to apologize for..... -_-
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On December 15 2011 09:32 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:29 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On December 15 2011 09:28 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:27 Quintum_ wrote:On December 15 2011 09:03 DrGreen wrote:
Meaningless statements from both sides. Everyone knows whats going on on both sides and those statements are just a formal curtain. Of course Naniwa didn't grow up in last 24 hours, also its clear that reasoning behind revoking Naniwa's code S spot is pro-korean, GSL as the global league shouldn't use korean definition of the word "pro-gamer" they should look globally and consider opinion of whole world, not only koreans.. If a korean had done what naniwa did they would of gotten a ban from GSL for months. I'm not so sure that I believe that any more. Do you even watch the GSL / follow it? What happened to Coca? Read up bro!!!!! As far as I know, nothing from GOM happened to Coca at all. His coach punished him, which is totally fine, but nothing from GOM. And don't try the "Oh see they let Boxer punish him!" Uhh... no. You don't say: "you broke our rules, but some other guy is punishing you so it's cool" You either punish everyone the same way or you punish no one.
GOMs statement about it pretty much confirmed SlayerS did everything before GOM had a chance to. And also GOM also did say if the player was a Korean he possibly would've gotten much worse.
So yeah GOM pretty much confirmed most people's thoughts about CoCa and that drama with GOM not doing anything.
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On December 15 2011 09:44 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:42 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:40 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:36 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:34 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:33 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:29 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:22 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:19 jinorazi wrote:On December 15 2011 09:16 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
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Than you do not care about professional sports. It's as simple as that. Go watch an amateur game then, where there is nothing on the line. you put words in my mouth. if its too hard for you to comprehend what i'm trying to say, then dont attempt. I wrote exactly what you said: you said you don't care as much about skill as you do about attitude. I suggest you go find something that isn't based entirely upon skill level then. Boxer has a GREAT attitude. Should he get a GSL Championship because of it? Nope. Attitude means nothing in professional sports. Skill is everything. If you don't agree with this than you clearly don't know what professional sports is about and are suffering under a very common delusion that it's about "love of the game!" "While money is an essential factor in a professional athlete’s life, it is the sincere competitive spirit that enables a mere athlete to become a professional athlete. This spirit entails the will to improve, work hard and try one's best no matter what. It also encompasses a mutual respect between those who share the title of professional athlete, which consequently leads to a certain code of professional conduct. It is this underlying competitive spirit, which goes beyond and is unrelated to any amount of prize money, of every professional athlete that touches and entertains many fans." i agree with that statement, and its the reason why naniwa is getting hostility. you clearly disagree. you're interpreting what i say the way you want to interpret it. That statement is the most self-serving and obviously fake thing I have read in a long time. Naniwa is getting hostility because he pissed off NesTea and had the balls to not lay down like a girl when GOM tried to treat him like a slave. put on your foil hat and start a blog on gomtv conspiracy theory. Go get a dictionary and learn what the words "conspiracy" and "theory" actually mean. Not once did I imply a conspiracy, and this isn't my "theory", it's a fact that GOM and everyone supporting them has recognized without realizing it when they claim that it would have been ok just to pretend like he cared. you're obviously trolling, take care That's a good excuse to run away. Don't refute any points, just use ad hominem. one last one. your posts have been refuted by many, read em. you're in denial if you really aren't trolling. your opinion on what goes on behind gomtv closed doors isn't fact, like your claim.
Take the time to post one more quoting me where I make any claim about what goes on behind GOMTVs doors?
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Naniwa just came on air and pretty much said what's in OP. pretty sincerely.
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On December 15 2011 09:45 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:32 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:29 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On December 15 2011 09:28 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 15 2011 09:27 Quintum_ wrote:On December 15 2011 09:03 DrGreen wrote:
Meaningless statements from both sides. Everyone knows whats going on on both sides and those statements are just a formal curtain. Of course Naniwa didn't grow up in last 24 hours, also its clear that reasoning behind revoking Naniwa's code S spot is pro-korean, GSL as the global league shouldn't use korean definition of the word "pro-gamer" they should look globally and consider opinion of whole world, not only koreans.. If a korean had done what naniwa did they would of gotten a ban from GSL for months. I'm not so sure that I believe that any more. Do you even watch the GSL / follow it? What happened to Coca? Read up bro!!!!! As far as I know, nothing from GOM happened to Coca at all. His coach punished him, which is totally fine, but nothing from GOM. And don't try the "Oh see they let Boxer punish him!" Uhh... no. You don't say: "you broke our rules, but some other guy is punishing you so it's cool" You either punish everyone the same way or you punish no one. GOMs statement about it pretty much confirmed SlayerS did everything before GOM had a chance to. And also GOM also did say if the player was a Korean he possibly would've gotten much worse. So yeah GOM pretty much confirmed most people's thoughts about CoCa and that drama with GOM not doing anything.
I'm sorry but you do not let someone who is not affiliated with your organization punish the person for breaking a rule within your organization. That is horribly unprofessional. You cannot then claim that you have enforced anything. You didn't enforce or punish anything.
They SAY if the player was Korean he would have gotten worse. The only way I see that happening is if the fans asked for it, but I don't think they would.
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so it seems like gom has released a statement that they are standing behind their decision.
Naniwa apologized for the behavior on a formal statement.
Quantic Gaming is ok with Gom's decision and apologizes for their teammates behavior.
people of interwebz are still outraged by the whole ordeal. sounds like yall need to take esports news a bit less seriously.
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This is a bit late, but better than none. Anyway, Naniwa just please please please grow up.
We your fans are here to support you all the way!
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I still see the nonsense about "bad tournament formats". Many, many OSL and MSLs have had such "bad tournament formats" with "outrageous meaningless games". Perhaps it's time some of the fans woke up and realized there's no such thing as a meaningless game just because prize money isn't involved.
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I'm glad MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL teams don't try to forfeit games where both teams are unable to reach the playoffs. Huk's blame placed on GOM for supposedly poor tournament design is ridiculous in light of this. Look at how hard Matt Barkley and the rest of USC played this season even though they knew from game 1 that they couldn't play in a conference championship game or bowl game (for the uninitiated, see: http://lostangelesblog.wordpress.com/). That is how sports are to be played and life is to be lived.
This has absolutely nothing to do with any supposed cultural difference between Korea and NA / Europe. The OSL is the crown jewel of eSports, the shining example of how to make a computer game into an exciting cultural event. And just about every OSL round of 16 contains games between people who can't make the round of 8. I don't remember anyone throwing such games that badly. If a player did something that was suboptimal, they did something fun and creative for the fans, such as (I believe) Much trying to use Corsairs in PvT. Even though the Clippers are still not NBA Finals material with Blake Griffin, his enthusiasm and flashy dunks put more happy people in the seats.
The very first GOM event with Tasteless, the very first eSport event I ever watched, the GOM Star Invitational, had a group with both Nada and Boxer. Tasteless had been talking them up all tournament but by the time they faced off, they were both 0-2 and couldn't make the next round. They had no problem with showing up, getting in the booths, and putting on a great show. Imagine how much worse my first impression of eSports would have been, how much less seriously I would take it, had one of them blatantly lost on purpose. I might never have watched another tournament.
eSports is nascent; every day someone comes into contact with it the first time and for GOM TV and all of us who are trying to foster it, it is vital that we respect the virtues that keep its spirit alive. Losing a match on purpose, whether anyone bet on it or not, is unbecoming. Nobody on the other side of the planet wants to stay up until the wee hours of the morning to watch a sports show where at any time some player just might not feel like playing. That type of attitude is cancerous and NaNiWa already should have been on his best behavior given his team troubles, which makes his newest statement in response to his newest controversy too unreliable for GOM to keep him around for Code S.
The job of the eAthlete is to put their honest best effort into the contests. It doesn't matter if you are the supposed best actor in the world, if you talk like a robot on purpose and don't show up on set just because you think the movie sucks then you deserve to get fired.
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On December 15 2011 09:49 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
This is a bit late, but better than none. Anyway, Naniwa just please please please grow up.
We your fans are here to support you all the way!
This is incredibly important, as GSL is leading Esport and if GomTV can do things without justification it may lead SC2 esports into a shitty hole.
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Great statements by Naniwa on Lo3! A lot more respect for what he has said so far: he took the blame, promised to not just 4 gate but truly play his heart out next time in the same situation and also refuted things like "he tried to forfeit but Gom didn't allow it."
I do wish he were better at public speaking so we'd hear more of what he actually means and thinks.
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On December 15 2011 09:50 FieryBalrog wrote:
I still see the nonsense about "bad tournament formats". Many, many OSL and MSLs have had such "bad tournament formats" with "outrageous meaningless games". Perhaps it's time some of the fans woke up and realized there's no such thing as a meaningless game just because prize money isn't involved.
pretty much all the tournaments in the world have this 'meaningless games'
naniwa fanboys just found out about it when naniwa got 0-3ed
anyway I think if Naniwa can show through the action that he is a changed man, I'm all good. This scene needs changed Naniwa.
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wow very well said statement by Naniwa.
hope seeing compete with the best in the future
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On December 15 2011 09:52 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:50 FieryBalrog wrote:
I still see the nonsense about "bad tournament formats". Many, many OSL and MSLs have had such "bad tournament formats" with "outrageous meaningless games". Perhaps it's time some of the fans woke up and realized there's no such thing as a meaningless game just because prize money isn't involved. pretty much all the tournaments in the world have this 'meaningless games' naniwa fanboys just found out about it when naniwa got 0-3ed anyway I think if Naniwa can show through the action that he is a changed man, I'm all good. This scene needs changed Naniwa.
Actually you usually are playing for SOMETHING.
If not, then why the fuck do I care about watching it?
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it's nice to see that quanticgaming seems to be a team that stand behind their players.
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