I just hope Nani really learned something from all this, a simple all-in would have saved a lot of trouble...
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UndoneJin
United States438 Posts
I just hope Nani really learned something from all this, a simple all-in would have saved a lot of trouble... | ||
LiamTheZerg
United States523 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:16 smallerk wrote: Just because he apologized doesnt mean its his fault only. Naniwa and his team took the classy way out of this whole ordeal, and choose to do what was best for everyone in the community and the industry. Gom just kespa'd naniwa and thats it. I think both parties are at fault here, the difference is on how they handled the situation, and i personally, am not watching gsl anymore, as much as i love tastosis, im not supporting kespa v2, lets see how well they fare without foreigners in their tournament. LOL. They'll fare just as well as they have before, how many foreigners have been in Code S for the past few seasons? 1. HuK. Nani has gone a total of 0-10 in GSL and lost to Lucky, a mediocre Code A player a total of 4 games. They'll do just fine. | ||
jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:16 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Than you do not care about professional sports. It's as simple as that. Go watch an amateur game then, where there is nothing on the line. you put words in my mouth. if its too hard for you to comprehend what i'm trying to say, then dont attempt. | ||
viOLetFanClub
Korea (South)390 Posts
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:18 LiamTheZerg wrote: LOL. They'll fare just as well as they have before, how many foreigners have been in Code S for the past few seasons? 1. HuK. Nani has gone a total of 0-10 in GSL and lost to Lucky, a mediocre Code A player a total of 4 games. They'll do just fine. Let's see how they fare when their attitude is directly responsible for the end of their countries dominance of SC2... | ||
Protossrush
United States56 Posts
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LiamTheZerg
United States523 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:05 softan wrote: If you think Code S players "easily" beats the best Code A players or easily beats any Code A player for that matter then you should think again. There's not a big difference between the two. Players fall up and down between code S and code A all the time, the very best code S players have been code A and are likely to be code A again at some point. Take Leenck for example, he dropped out completely from code A in gsl may. Then able to return and make his way to code S. But in code S he lost to Genius and Rainbow then lost his up/down matches to Byun and then to LiveForever so he was back into code A. Now all of a sudden he wins code S. This is how to goes in starcraft 2 at the moment. There is no completely dominant player, everyone is very close in skill that includes code A players not only code S. We don't have a starcraft 2 Flash yet. Uhh. Jjakji won Code S... | ||
SaberNodoka
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:19 jinorazi wrote: you put words in my mouth. if its too hard for you to comprehend what i'm trying to say, then dont attempt. I wrote exactly what you said: you said you don't care as much about skill as you do about attitude. I suggest you go find something that isn't based entirely upon skill level then. Boxer has a GREAT attitude. Should he get a GSL Championship because of it? Nope. Attitude means nothing in professional sports. Skill is everything. If you don't agree with this than you clearly don't know what professional sports is about and are suffering under a very common delusion that it's about "love of the game!" | ||
Deleted User 123474
292 Posts
GomTV is laying down the hammer, saying, "Figure out what we want people to be. Then be that person. Better guess right!", and Quantic/Naniwa realizing they don't really have a choice. | ||
garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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Eazyz
New Zealand84 Posts
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Jungosi
Germany186 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:20 k1mjee wrote: I still hate the kid. Actions speak louder than words. But I thought the pen is mightier than the sword? | ||
Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
And for Naniwa to begin the match by moving his probes in the direction of Nesteas base for just a second... ![]() On Topic: Very good apology. For some people it seems it was maybe even too good, to be true. | ||
PrAeToR.FeNiX
Canada361 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:09 skrzmark wrote: that is why starcraft 2 is taken as a game... because of post like this, to korea it is a sport. But team sports are also only games and nothing more. And individual sports are also just competition, nothing more. Sports and esports are not more meaningful or important than a pop-song or a movie. They are all entertainment, nothing more. They are meaningless fun, that is not a wrong thing, but making them more than they are is ridiculous. | ||
Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:15 jinorazi wrote: in my personal opinion, i agree with gomtv as i value attitude over skill. he indirectly dissed everyone that has respect for esports, a mistake but thats no excuse. in my neutral opinion, it would have been better for gom to contact the team and talk about what happened and make it clear such behavior isn't acceptable and move on with just a slap on the wrist, it was a emotional mistake after all. (punishment would have been harsher for a korean since most koreans have this professionalism mindset that players like boxer have.) with gomtv's explanation, they said naniwa was being considered for code s spot, not given. what he was given was for blizzard cup. maybe it was lost in translation or misunderstanding between mlg/gom since there is no gsl in december and starting 2012, its a new format. maybe they're saying what they want for their own hidden motive of wanting to remove naniwa but whatever the case, it only speculation, conspiracy theory if you will. 1. They have written (both on Gom TV and MLG) that Nani should have gotten a code S seed according to what they have written on their website. Since code S seed is a price for MLG circuit it should either be payed out regardless (just like $$$). 2. GomTV lacks both explicit and implicit rules. They need to answer for these thing and improve 2. They are currently changing things around and using vague rules (something like rude behavior towards audience.) Western culture has standards on people (Nani was rude) but companies can not punish without written justification and they can not change things that have been promised. I do not know about Korean culture but Swedish culture requires companies to hold a standard most often above a person . | ||
Quintum_
United States669 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:03 DrGreen wrote: Meaningless statements from both sides. Everyone knows whats going on on both sides and those statements are just a formal curtain. Of course Naniwa didn't grow up in last 24 hours, also its clear that reasoning behind revoking Naniwa's code S spot is pro-korean, GSL as the global league shouldn't use korean definition of the word "pro-gamer" they should look globally and consider opinion of whole world, not only koreans.. How is what they did "pro-korean". I am not korean i agree with gom that what naniwa did was unacceptable for a pro-gamer. If anything naniwa was got of light because he is a foreigner, just not getting a code s spot. If a korean had done what naniwa did they would of gotten a ban from GSL for months. Dont blanket the rest of the word as not having the same values as the koreans, I expect pro gamer to have a sense of professionalism just as the koreans do. | ||
virgol
Sweden61 Posts
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