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UndoneJin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States438 Posts
December 15 2011 00:17 GMT
#601
Lol @ the people who act like they never made a hasty/emotional decision before during a stressful time.

I just hope Nani really learned something from all this, a simple all-in would have saved a lot of trouble...
I've been lost since the day I was born ----- You're gonna carry that weight
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
December 15 2011 00:18 GMT
#602
On December 15 2011 07:16 smallerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:09 Kira__ wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:08 LunaSea wrote:
We came to a point where GOM.tv has so much power that even when they make stupid arbitrary decisions players and teams have to redeem, backpedall and write an apology messages...

This really disgusts me ! This is nowhere near eSport !

And this IS NOT Naniwas fault, IT IS Gom.tv's fault for having badly designed the tournament format period.


It is naniwas fault, he even appologized for it himself. What more do you need?


Just because he apologized doesnt mean its his fault only.

Naniwa and his team took the classy way out of this whole ordeal, and choose to do what was best for everyone in the community and the industry.

Gom just kespa'd naniwa and thats it.

I think both parties are at fault here, the difference is on how they handled the situation, and i personally, am not watching gsl anymore, as much as i love tastosis, im not supporting kespa v2, lets see how well they fare without foreigners in their tournament.


LOL. They'll fare just as well as they have before, how many foreigners have been in Code S for the past few seasons? 1. HuK. Nani has gone a total of 0-10 in GSL and lost to Lucky, a mediocre Code A player a total of 4 games. They'll do just fine.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 00:20:03
December 15 2011 00:19 GMT
#603
On December 15 2011 09:16 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 09:15 jinorazi wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:07 Eppa! wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:03 jinorazi wrote:
On December 15 2011 08:44 Buddhist wrote:
Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything , it's going ridiculously far to say that I dont deserve to be called a progamer and such for this kind of thing.

This increases my respect for naniwa. The only people who should be upset, if anyone, are his sponsors. They depend upon him playing games, even if said games are showmatches/meaningless. No one else does, especially not fans.

I have lost a massive amount of respect for gomtv from this. They have punished him because of their emotions and cultural nonsense, not because he actually broke any rules. If anyone is unprofessional, it is gomtv, not naniwa. Naniwa played by the book, gomtv didn't.


majority of sc2 community sees what naniwa did as wrong. he didnt break any rules but he dissed a lot of people.
and people are glad a jerk/dick/ass/etc. was punished where usually they're let go freely since they didnt break any rules.

you can say a person's moral value has no place in esports but surely, you must understand why people like boxer and whitera are respected by many.

I think what many people hate about the situation is GomTV lack of moral value and transparency. They have show unreliability, lack of professionalism and bending of rules in their "favour" .
i value attitude over skill.

Than you do not care about professional sports. It's as simple as that. Go watch an amateur game then, where there is nothing on the line.


you put words in my mouth. if its too hard for you to comprehend what i'm trying to say, then dont attempt.
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viOLetFanClub
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)390 Posts
December 15 2011 00:20 GMT
#604
I still hate the kid. Actions speak louder than words.
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
December 15 2011 00:20 GMT
#605
On December 15 2011 09:18 LiamTheZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:16 smallerk wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:09 Kira__ wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:08 LunaSea wrote:
We came to a point where GOM.tv has so much power that even when they make stupid arbitrary decisions players and teams have to redeem, backpedall and write an apology messages...

This really disgusts me ! This is nowhere near eSport !

And this IS NOT Naniwas fault, IT IS Gom.tv's fault for having badly designed the tournament format period.


It is naniwas fault, he even appologized for it himself. What more do you need?


Just because he apologized doesnt mean its his fault only.

Naniwa and his team took the classy way out of this whole ordeal, and choose to do what was best for everyone in the community and the industry.

Gom just kespa'd naniwa and thats it.

I think both parties are at fault here, the difference is on how they handled the situation, and i personally, am not watching gsl anymore, as much as i love tastosis, im not supporting kespa v2, lets see how well they fare without foreigners in their tournament.


LOL. They'll fare just as well as they have before, how many foreigners have been in Code S for the past few seasons? 1. HuK. Nani has gone a total of 0-10 in GSL and lost to Lucky, a mediocre Code A player a total of 4 games. They'll do just fine.

Let's see how they fare when their attitude is directly responsible for the end of their countries dominance of SC2...
Protossrush
Profile Joined July 2011
United States56 Posts
December 15 2011 00:20 GMT
#606
Can we all get over it at the time he was mad and did something stupid. it happens to everyone.
Jjakji, MMA, MKP, MVP Alive, Ryung, Demuslim, Keen FIGHTING!!! Jaedong, Savi0r, Zer0, Eff0rt Fighting!!
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
December 15 2011 00:21 GMT
#607
On December 15 2011 07:05 softan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:46 Skyreaper wrote:
If NaNiwa has the quality and skill to compete in Code S, then he would easily(?) win the final in Code A and earn Code S during Jan GSL. Hope to see new NaNiwa in GSL


If you think Code S players "easily" beats the best Code A players or easily beats any Code A player for that matter then you should think again. There's not a big difference between the two. Players fall up and down between code S and code A all the time, the very best code S players have been code A and are likely to be code A again at some point. Take Leenck for example, he dropped out completely from code A in gsl may. Then able to return and make his way to code S. But in code S he lost to Genius and Rainbow then lost his up/down matches to Byun and then to LiveForever so he was back into code A. Now all of a sudden he wins code S. This is how to goes in starcraft 2 at the moment. There is no completely dominant player, everyone is very close in skill that includes code A players not only code S. We don't have a starcraft 2 Flash yet.


Uhh. Jjakji won Code S...
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SaberNodoka
Profile Joined June 2011
151 Posts
December 15 2011 00:22 GMT
#608
PR management now atm. Hopefully Naniwa grows up after this incident.
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
December 15 2011 00:22 GMT
#609
On December 15 2011 09:19 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 09:16 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:15 jinorazi wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:07 Eppa! wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:03 jinorazi wrote:
On December 15 2011 08:44 Buddhist wrote:
Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything , it's going ridiculously far to say that I dont deserve to be called a progamer and such for this kind of thing.

This increases my respect for naniwa. The only people who should be upset, if anyone, are his sponsors. They depend upon him playing games, even if said games are showmatches/meaningless. No one else does, especially not fans.

I have lost a massive amount of respect for gomtv from this. They have punished him because of their emotions and cultural nonsense, not because he actually broke any rules. If anyone is unprofessional, it is gomtv, not naniwa. Naniwa played by the book, gomtv didn't.


majority of sc2 community sees what naniwa did as wrong. he didnt break any rules but he dissed a lot of people.
and people are glad a jerk/dick/ass/etc. was punished where usually they're let go freely since they didnt break any rules.

you can say a person's moral value has no place in esports but surely, you must understand why people like boxer and whitera are respected by many.

I think what many people hate about the situation is GomTV lack of moral value and transparency. They have show unreliability, lack of professionalism and bending of rules in their "favour" .
i value attitude over skill.

Than you do not care about professional sports. It's as simple as that. Go watch an amateur game then, where there is nothing on the line.


you put words in my mouth. if its too hard for you to comprehend what i'm trying to say, then dont attempt.

I wrote exactly what you said: you said you don't care as much about skill as you do about attitude. I suggest you go find something that isn't based entirely upon skill level then.

Boxer has a GREAT attitude. Should he get a GSL Championship because of it? Nope. Attitude means nothing in professional sports. Skill is everything. If you don't agree with this than you clearly don't know what professional sports is about and are suffering under a very common delusion that it's about "love of the game!"
Deleted User 123474
Profile Joined November 2010
292 Posts
December 15 2011 00:23 GMT
#610
Obviously Naniwa has to apologize, regardless of what he thinks. Not so obvious is what Naniwa himself thinks.

GomTV is laying down the hammer, saying, "Figure out what we want people to be. Then be that person. Better guess right!", and Quantic/Naniwa realizing they don't really have a choice.
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
December 15 2011 00:23 GMT
#611
Tune into Lo3 to hear from Nani in about 5mins.
#TeamBuLba
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
December 15 2011 00:23 GMT
#612
Looks like NaNiwa manned up. Props to you NaNiwa!
Eazyz
Profile Joined November 2011
New Zealand84 Posts
December 15 2011 00:24 GMT
#613
Very classy from NaNiwa, I hope he gets back to Code S as soon as possible.
hard bro
Jungosi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany186 Posts
December 15 2011 00:24 GMT
#614
On December 15 2011 09:20 k1mjee wrote:
I still hate the kid. Actions speak louder than words.


But I thought the pen is mightier than the sword?
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
December 15 2011 00:24 GMT
#615
I would also love for a rematch of Naniwa and Nestea at the end of Blizzcup on a 2 player map...


And for Naniwa to begin the match by moving his probes in the direction of Nesteas base for just a second...




On Topic: Very good apology. For some people it seems it was maybe even too good, to be true.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
PrAeToR.FeNiX
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada361 Posts
December 15 2011 00:25 GMT
#616
thats how you should act.
En taro Adun!
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
December 15 2011 00:25 GMT
#617
On December 15 2011 09:09 skrzmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:09 KAkos MAgos wrote:
well dont apologize. idra ragequits and is badmannered too and no one says something.
GOMTV is being sillly with its descision. comon. ITS A GAME WTF. thank go we are not like the koreans and take that whole gaming thing so seriously.


that is why starcraft 2 is taken as a game... because of post like this, to korea it is a sport.

But team sports are also only games and nothing more. And individual sports are also just competition, nothing more. Sports and esports are not more meaningful or important than a pop-song or a movie. They are all entertainment, nothing more. They are meaningless fun, that is not a wrong thing, but making them more than they are is ridiculous.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 00:26:53
December 15 2011 00:26 GMT
#618
On December 15 2011 09:15 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 09:07 Eppa! wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:03 jinorazi wrote:
On December 15 2011 08:44 Buddhist wrote:
Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything , it's going ridiculously far to say that I dont deserve to be called a progamer and such for this kind of thing.

This increases my respect for naniwa. The only people who should be upset, if anyone, are his sponsors. They depend upon him playing games, even if said games are showmatches/meaningless. No one else does, especially not fans.

I have lost a massive amount of respect for gomtv from this. They have punished him because of their emotions and cultural nonsense, not because he actually broke any rules. If anyone is unprofessional, it is gomtv, not naniwa. Naniwa played by the book, gomtv didn't.


majority of sc2 community sees what naniwa did as wrong. he didnt break any rules but he dissed a lot of people.
and people are glad a jerk/dick/ass/etc. was punished where usually they're let go freely since they didnt break any rules.

you can say a person's moral value has no place in esports but surely, you must understand why people like boxer and whitera are respected by many.

I think what many people hate about the situation is GomTV lack of moral value and transparency. They have show unreliability, lack of professionalism and bending of rules in their "favour" .


in my personal opinion, i agree with gomtv as i value attitude over skill. he indirectly dissed everyone that has respect for esports, a mistake but thats no excuse.

in my neutral opinion, it would have been better for gom to contact the team and talk about what happened and make it clear such behavior isn't acceptable and move on with just a slap on the wrist, it was a emotional mistake after all. (punishment would have been harsher for a korean since most koreans have this professionalism mindset that players like boxer have.)

with gomtv's explanation, they said naniwa was being considered for code s spot, not given. what he was given was for blizzard cup. maybe it was lost in translation or misunderstanding between mlg/gom since there is no gsl in december and starting 2012, its a new format.

maybe they're saying what they want for their own hidden motive of wanting to remove naniwa but whatever the case, it only speculation, conspiracy theory if you will.

1.
They have written (both on Gom TV and MLG) that Nani should have gotten a code S seed according to what they have written on their website. Since code S seed is a price for MLG circuit it should either be payed out regardless (just like $$$).
2.
GomTV lacks both explicit and implicit rules.

They need to answer for these thing and improve 2. They are currently changing things around and using vague rules (something like rude behavior towards audience.) Western culture has standards on people (Nani was rude) but companies can not punish without written justification and they can not change things that have been promised.

I do not know about Korean culture but Swedish culture requires companies to hold a standard most often above a person .
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Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
December 15 2011 00:27 GMT
#619
On December 15 2011 09:03 DrGreen wrote:
Meaningless statements from both sides. Everyone knows whats going on on both sides and those statements are just a formal curtain. Of course Naniwa didn't grow up in last 24 hours, also its clear that reasoning behind revoking Naniwa's code S spot is pro-korean, GSL as the global league shouldn't use korean definition of the word "pro-gamer" they should look globally and consider opinion of whole world, not only koreans..


How is what they did "pro-korean". I am not korean i agree with gom that what naniwa did was unacceptable for a pro-gamer. If anything naniwa was got of light because he is a foreigner, just not getting a code s spot. If a korean had done what naniwa did they would of gotten a ban from GSL for months. Dont blanket the rest of the word as not having the same values as the koreans, I expect pro gamer to have a sense of professionalism just as the koreans do.
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virgol
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden61 Posts
December 15 2011 00:27 GMT
#620
I'm not a Naniwa fan, but I still think GOMTV made a stupid decision. If they're going to have a cheesefest bo1 format in groupstages, they should at least have the decency to let players play the way they want, even if that means giving up with a quick proberush rather than faking a 1 hour long game.
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