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On December 15 2011 10:45 Parcelleus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:41 Squeegy wrote:On December 15 2011 10:27 Parcelleus wrote:
SC2 just got worse cos of this pathetic display of player bashing cos he is himself.
Lost alot of respect for the sc2 'scene'.
The people trying to run Naniwa's life are even worse. How dare he be himself ? PLease. Nobody is trying to ruin Naninwa's life except himself. If he doesn't conform to some of the rules of the big world such as that you show respect to others you'll run into trouble sooner or later. That sooner or later is now for Naniwa. He can either learn from this or he can continue on his path and keep shooting his own leg. Looking at the apology he is taking this the right way. It is nice of course that we have good fairy godmothers such as yourself to nurture him and to tell him that he can act any way he wants and it's okay. Unfortunately the real world doesn't work like that and the sooner he changes his behaviour (this does not mean losing any of his so-called passion or even his way of thinking) at least in the public the better off he is. It is just mind-boggling that some people think you can act in any way you want. You can't. Sometimes you just have to do unpleasant things like play a quick game of SC2 in front of a crowd. It may not feel nice at the moment but if you don't and you step on people's toes then don't be surprised if there are consequences (no, I don't think GOM's decision was optimal). I said run not ruin. It's not upto YOU to make decision for other ppl. They do it themselves just fine.
Unless you work for someone or have agreed to provide a service and then don't do it. Then you face repercussions because you're no longer representing just yourself (a.k.a. 99% of us who work). How does this not make sense? You can't just go around being a dick and then say "stop treading on me! I'm just being myself." That's not how it works in the real world. I hate to sound like "that guy" but seriously -- actions have consequences! They really do. And Naniwa knows it now. And I predict we won't be seeing as much dickery from him in the future.
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On December 15 2011 10:41 coverpunch wrote:
I like this statement. Naniwa had a bad day and did something dumb. He's learned from it.
This isn't GOM's fault. I don't think anyone could imagine a scenario in the Blizzard Cup where two players would face each other with 0-3 records.
True to some extent, but anyone who designs a tournament either knows the possibility exists and considers it unimportant beforehand or decides that only meaningfull games would be play (AoL style, granted the chances of similar situations happening there was much higher since they had only 2 players moving up and 3 falling instead of the other way around).
The part where i blame Gom is that their producer running around there should have either made a decision to sack the game on the spot, or stressed to the players how hyped each of these games had been so they should give their best.
The reason why he (or she) didn't do that, is that for a Korean it's unthinkable to not give at least a decent effort when Honor or Image is on the line. I don't think Nestea was planning to use his 100% secret prepared builds on this match, but let's be honest every progamer has at least a standard FE into some kind of timing attack build in their arsenal, thats the level they expected to be "standard" in such a situation.
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For a long time, I never really played this game for anyone else other than myself. Now, I realize that it involves so much more than that. I’m not alone playing from my home anymore; there are so many people watching my every game, and wanting to see me perform at my best. I don’t just play for myself anymore, but for all the fans of StarCraft 2 and eSports. Clearly, being a pro-gamer involves a lot more than I initially thought.
I am really happy that NaNiWa starts to understand what professionalism means.
Keep it up NaNiWa, you are on the right track 
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Woah what a nice statement that truly comes from his heart ! + Show Spoiler +
Seriously tho I hate it when they force people to form apologize like this.
I don't think it needed any, gomtv is like children seriously.
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I hate to be a "that guy" but i really don't think that naniwa said any of it. HOWEVER i am glad that Quantic understands the mistake he made and are saying sorry for what naniwa did and I hope naniwa understands what he did also. This is a step in the right direction and I am glad to see it. GL to naniwa the Protoss HOPE and to Quantic gaming.
*I am not trying to be a dick, however we know that naniwa's English is not as good as the statement is. But I just hope they wrote it and he looked over it and said thats exactly how I feel. So if thats the case then forget what I posted and gg. hehe *
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I mean initially I was pretty upset with what Naniwa did, and I certainly still don't think it was right.
That said, he does seem sincere, and it's good that he seems to be learning from this.
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On December 15 2011 10:52 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:41 coverpunch wrote:
I like this statement. Naniwa had a bad day and did something dumb. He's learned from it.
This isn't GOM's fault. I don't think anyone could imagine a scenario in the Blizzard Cup where two players would face each other with 0-3 records. True to some extent, but anyone who designs a tournament either knows the possibility exists and considers it unimportant beforehand or decides that only meaningfull games would be play (AoL style, granted the chances of similar situations happening there was much higher since they had only 2 players moving up and 3 falling instead of the other way around). The part where i blame Gom is that their producer running around there should have either made a decision to sack the game on the spot, or stressed to the players how hyped each of these games had been so they should give their best. The reason why he (or she) didn't do that, is that for a Korean it's unthinkable to not give at least a decent effort when Honor or Image is on the line. I don't think Nestea was planning to use his 100% secret prepared builds on this match, but let's be honest every progamer has at least a standard FE into some kind of timing attack build in their arsenal, thats the level they expected to be "standard" in such a situation.
Can you propose a different tournament format other than an elimination tournament that does this?
All Sports/Games that use round robin/group stages have this problem, and the players don't forfeit/not show up to their games.
Fifa World Cup has group stages where you can be 100% eliminated yet you still play.
Most soccer/football/nba/baseball leagues have moments in the late season where you are 100% in the playoffs/not being relegated where games pretty much don't matter. Yet these games are still played.
If you can propose a magical solution which fixes this issue for all these sports, go ahead.
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So bending over and saying what is expected of you instead of what you really think is the kind of professionalism we are getting here. A great day for professionalism, a sad day for gaming imo.
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What doesn't kill you makes you stronger Nani! Oh and we are watching you!
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Glad he's realizing that being a progamer isn't just playing games. It's about professionalism and you need to maintain a certain standard - You need to respect the game and the players. When you throw games, it's spitting in the face of your opponent, the tournament, the organizers, but most importantly, the game itself.
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On December 15 2011 10:52 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:45 Parcelleus wrote:On December 15 2011 10:41 Squeegy wrote:On December 15 2011 10:27 Parcelleus wrote:
SC2 just got worse cos of this pathetic display of player bashing cos he is himself.
Lost alot of respect for the sc2 'scene'.
The people trying to run Naniwa's life are even worse. How dare he be himself ? PLease. Nobody is trying to ruin Naninwa's life except himself. If he doesn't conform to some of the rules of the big world such as that you show respect to others you'll run into trouble sooner or later. That sooner or later is now for Naniwa. He can either learn from this or he can continue on his path and keep shooting his own leg. Looking at the apology he is taking this the right way. It is nice of course that we have good fairy godmothers such as yourself to nurture him and to tell him that he can act any way he wants and it's okay. Unfortunately the real world doesn't work like that and the sooner he changes his behaviour (this does not mean losing any of his so-called passion or even his way of thinking) at least in the public the better off he is. It is just mind-boggling that some people think you can act in any way you want. You can't. Sometimes you just have to do unpleasant things like play a quick game of SC2 in front of a crowd. It may not feel nice at the moment but if you don't and you step on people's toes then don't be surprised if there are consequences (no, I don't think GOM's decision was optimal). I said run not ruin. It's not upto YOU to make decision for other ppl. They do it themselves just fine. Unless you work for someone or have agreed to provide a service and then don't do it. Then you face repercussions because you're no longer representing just yourself (a.k.a. 99% of us who work). How does this not make sense? You can't just go around being a dick and then say "stop treading on me! I'm just being myself." That's not how it works in the real world. I hate to sound like "that guy" but seriously -- actions have consequences! They really do. And Naniwa knows it now. And I predict we won't be seeing as much dickery from him in the future.
Naniwa did provide his service: to play GSL games that matter. In the games that mattered he gave it all. And just like other GSL players in the past who tanked or 'didnt give their best' in games that "didnt matter' , yet Naniwa is banned ?
I hate to be 'that guy', but GOMTV's actions has consequences. 
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On December 15 2011 10:59 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:52 Tula wrote:On December 15 2011 10:41 coverpunch wrote:
I like this statement. Naniwa had a bad day and did something dumb. He's learned from it.
This isn't GOM's fault. I don't think anyone could imagine a scenario in the Blizzard Cup where two players would face each other with 0-3 records. True to some extent, but anyone who designs a tournament either knows the possibility exists and considers it unimportant beforehand or decides that only meaningfull games would be play (AoL style, granted the chances of similar situations happening there was much higher since they had only 2 players moving up and 3 falling instead of the other way around). The part where i blame Gom is that their producer running around there should have either made a decision to sack the game on the spot, or stressed to the players how hyped each of these games had been so they should give their best. The reason why he (or she) didn't do that, is that for a Korean it's unthinkable to not give at least a decent effort when Honor or Image is on the line. I don't think Nestea was planning to use his 100% secret prepared builds on this match, but let's be honest every progamer has at least a standard FE into some kind of timing attack build in their arsenal, thats the level they expected to be "standard" in such a situation. Can you propose a different tournament format other than an elimination tournament that does this? All Sports/Games that use round robin/group stages have this problem, and the players don't forfeit/not show up to their games. Fifa World Cup has group stages where you can be 100% eliminated yet you still play. Most soccer/football/nba/baseball leagues have moments in the late season where you are 100% in the playoffs/not being relegated where games pretty much don't matter. Yet these games are still played. If you can propose a magical solution which fixes this issue for all these sports, go ahead.
Its actually considered a problem in the NFL due to teams essentially pulling all their important regular starters when games dont matter at the end of the season. Every year this discussion comes back as to whether or not the teams have more of an obligation to deliver the highetst level of competition in games that essentially dont matter, or to do whatever they judge best to maximize the chances of success in the playoffs, where the games actually do matter.
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On December 15 2011 10:59 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:52 Tula wrote:On December 15 2011 10:41 coverpunch wrote:
I like this statement. Naniwa had a bad day and did something dumb. He's learned from it.
This isn't GOM's fault. I don't think anyone could imagine a scenario in the Blizzard Cup where two players would face each other with 0-3 records. True to some extent, but anyone who designs a tournament either knows the possibility exists and considers it unimportant beforehand or decides that only meaningfull games would be play (AoL style, granted the chances of similar situations happening there was much higher since they had only 2 players moving up and 3 falling instead of the other way around). The part where i blame Gom is that their producer running around there should have either made a decision to sack the game on the spot, or stressed to the players how hyped each of these games had been so they should give their best. The reason why he (or she) didn't do that, is that for a Korean it's unthinkable to not give at least a decent effort when Honor or Image is on the line. I don't think Nestea was planning to use his 100% secret prepared builds on this match, but let's be honest every progamer has at least a standard FE into some kind of timing attack build in their arsenal, thats the level they expected to be "standard" in such a situation. Can you propose a different tournament format other than an elimination tournament that does this? All Sports/Games that use round robin/group stages have this problem, and the players don't forfeit/not show up to their games. Fifa World Cup has group stages where you can be 100% eliminated yet you still play. Most soccer/football/nba/baseball leagues have moments in the late season where you are 100% in the playoffs/not being relegated where games pretty much don't matter. Yet these games are still played. If you can propose a magical solution which fixes this issue for all these sports, go ahead.
I can't. As i said it happens and tournaments usually stress in their rules that every game has to be played (Do you want to imagine the fines / sanctions Fifa would put on a country if they didn't show up?). That is what i meant with "knows the possibility exists" and considers it unimportant. They play and broadcast the games anyway, even if the teams won't play more than 80%, because they have the rules fixed that the games must be played. Gom did not do that, because this scenario was unconceivable for them. That is how this entire mess happened as i said above.
And yes i know of two sports where they "skip" unnecessary group games, college football in austria is one of them. Once the playoff spots are fixed most teams forfeit and it is widely accepted, but on the other hand none of these games would be on TV anyway. Hell i'm not even sure if the winner of the league is a 30 second mention in any sports show.
Snooker is also an example where players "forfeit" group games without punishment once they are done, but it is usually agreed beforehand (as it was done with the Arena of Legends) that such games would not be played.
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On December 15 2011 11:00 diehilde wrote:
So bending over and saying what is expected of you instead of what you really think is the kind of professionalism we are getting here. A great day for professionalism, a sad day for gaming imo.
posts like this make me question our world...
Since when has "saying what you really think" ever been considerd professional in any context? It might be honest, but it seldom is professional. No salesperson in the world will ever tell you what they think. No reporter will ever ask a politician if he is fucking serious even if they probably should.
Why is that? Because we as a society have certain norms we consider professional behaviour and blunt honesty (which is a nicer phrasing of "tactless" or "unfriendly" in many cases) is not a part of it in many jobs.
Respect and Courtesy is far more likely.
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Quantic are the only ones who emerged from this looking good. Excellent response, this is what I like to see from teams - keeping punishment, if their is/was any from the public eye, and remaining loyal to their players while also apologizing for their actions. You have made a fan.
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On December 15 2011 09:59 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:58 bobohobo wrote:
While his apology is a good thing, I wouldn't be so quick to believe him. After so many records of his bad mannerism, I think we should all reserve our judgement until the next time a similar situation arises and see how he handles the situation. He does not deserve immediate forgiveness of any sort from anyone at the moment. Why do you feel that you have any right to "forgive" him for anything? Who are you?
Who is he apologizing to? If he doesn't want forgiveness, why is he apologizing? I didn't make him apologize, he chose to apologize. I think you are confused here.
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I'm glad Quantic shows some balls and stands by their players instead of pussying out and getting rid of him
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I believe that this isn't just empty words and wish the best of luck to all parts.
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I'm not sure about this. For me personally I didn't need this kind of statement for different reasons, but I am very happy to see that Quantic actually stands up for their player.
I hope this doesn't mean that Nani will become boring, he has given me a lot of entertainment during the last year even though apparently some people have been "offended" by some of his behaviors.
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