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Feel sorry for Naniwa.
Thanks to Quantic for supporting him and not overreacting like GOM.
Naniwa, i hope you can continue to grow. You're a pleasure to watch play, and one of the funniest motherfuckers ever (TL attack and KLS with Khaldor come to mind) so i hope you can work on the things that piss some people off and smooth those rough edges so people will stop focusing on the negatives and can just enjoy your play and humour like any other player.
People really need to stop with the shitty sports comparisons. They make no sense whatsoever, i'm blown away that people keep thinking that a football team is comparable to Naniwa's Bo1 vs NesTea.
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Show match between Nestea and Naniwa as a proper apology? Least I think this should happen. Give the people what they were deprived of at the actual tournament.
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DOesnt sound true to be honest, it must be a guy from quantic that made it up and nani said "ok, post this".
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On December 15 2011 11:05 Parcelleus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:52 IPA wrote:On December 15 2011 10:45 Parcelleus wrote:On December 15 2011 10:41 Squeegy wrote:On December 15 2011 10:27 Parcelleus wrote:
SC2 just got worse cos of this pathetic display of player bashing cos he is himself.
Lost alot of respect for the sc2 'scene'.
The people trying to run Naniwa's life are even worse. How dare he be himself ? PLease. Nobody is trying to ruin Naninwa's life except himself. If he doesn't conform to some of the rules of the big world such as that you show respect to others you'll run into trouble sooner or later. That sooner or later is now for Naniwa. He can either learn from this or he can continue on his path and keep shooting his own leg. Looking at the apology he is taking this the right way. It is nice of course that we have good fairy godmothers such as yourself to nurture him and to tell him that he can act any way he wants and it's okay. Unfortunately the real world doesn't work like that and the sooner he changes his behaviour (this does not mean losing any of his so-called passion or even his way of thinking) at least in the public the better off he is. It is just mind-boggling that some people think you can act in any way you want. You can't. Sometimes you just have to do unpleasant things like play a quick game of SC2 in front of a crowd. It may not feel nice at the moment but if you don't and you step on people's toes then don't be surprised if there are consequences (no, I don't think GOM's decision was optimal). I said run not ruin. It's not upto YOU to make decision for other ppl. They do it themselves just fine. Unless you work for someone or have agreed to provide a service and then don't do it. Then you face repercussions because you're no longer representing just yourself (a.k.a. 99% of us who work). How does this not make sense? You can't just go around being a dick and then say "stop treading on me! I'm just being myself." That's not how it works in the real world. I hate to sound like "that guy" but seriously -- actions have consequences! They really do. And Naniwa knows it now. And I predict we won't be seeing as much dickery from him in the future. Naniwa did provide his service: to play GSL games that matter. In the games that mattered he gave it all. And just like other GSL players in the past who tanked or 'didnt give their best' in games that "didnt matter' , yet Naniwa is banned ? I hate to be 'that guy', but GOMTV's actions has consequences. 
Games matter to people outside of the players themselves. Choya got a ban, Naniwa is not banned and got off light comparatively. Why do some people try to drag this thing out needlessly.
I think the greatest overreaction is from the community: Naniwa doesn't deserve to be a pro-gamer! vs. Boycott Gom! People are talking as if Gom destroyed his career or something from the reactions. Sounds like Naniwa is able to come to an understanding with Gom. Let's move on...
to the next drama.
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On December 15 2011 11:14 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:00 diehilde wrote:
So bending over and saying what is expected of you instead of what you really think is the kind of professionalism we are getting here. A great day for professionalism, a sad day for gaming imo. posts like this make me question our world... Since when has "saying what you really think" ever been considerd professional in any context? It might be honest, but it seldom is professional. No salesperson in the world will ever tell you what they think. No reporter will ever ask a politician if he is fucking serious even if they probably should. Why is that? Because we as a society have certain norms we consider professional behaviour and blunt honesty (which is a nicer phrasing of "tactless" or "unfriendly" in many cases) is not a part of it in many jobs. Respect and Courtesy is far more likely.
This. I don't know why so many people think its awesome to speak your mind directly.
Hope these people go to any shops and have the sales person whos on a bad day shout at them. Then what are all you gonna do, are you gonna say "Good job for being yourself?". No you will be rightfully pissed as a customer. The salesperson should be professional and not let feelings get in the way of his/her job.
We have standards in life. I don't go around telling people they suck just because i think they do. I don't hurt people feelings just because i say whats on my mind. And i don't fuck up my job just because i don't feel like. I don't understand why so many people have no standards at all.
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On December 15 2011 11:37 NEOtheONE wrote:
Show match between Nestea and Naniwa as a proper apology? Least I think this should happen. Give the people what they were deprived of at the actual tournament.
if you were nestea would you want to give him the chance at a showmatch?
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On December 15 2011 06:09 KAkos MAgos wrote:
well dont apologize. idra ragequits and is badmannered too and no one says something.
GOMTV is being sillly with its descision. comon. ITS A GAME WTF. thank go we are not like the koreans and take that whole gaming thing so seriously.
This guy is an idiot or a troll.
Naniwa, I personally accept your apology. It takes a lot of balls to apologize and I respect you for responding quickly and sincerely.
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On December 15 2011 11:42 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:14 Tula wrote:On December 15 2011 11:00 diehilde wrote:
So bending over and saying what is expected of you instead of what you really think is the kind of professionalism we are getting here. A great day for professionalism, a sad day for gaming imo. posts like this make me question our world... Since when has "saying what you really think" ever been considerd professional in any context? It might be honest, but it seldom is professional. No salesperson in the world will ever tell you what they think. No reporter will ever ask a politician if he is fucking serious even if they probably should. Why is that? Because we as a society have certain norms we consider professional behaviour and blunt honesty (which is a nicer phrasing of "tactless" or "unfriendly" in many cases) is not a part of it in many jobs. Respect and Courtesy is far more likely. This. I don't know why so many people think its awesome to speak your mind directly. Hope these people go to any shops and have the sales person whos on a bad day shout at them. Then what are all you gonna do, are you gonna say "Good job for being yourself?". No you will be rightfully pissed as a customer. The salesperson should be professional and not let feelings get in the way of his/her job. We have standards in life. I don't go around telling people they suck just because i think they do. I don't hurt people feelings just because i say whats on my mind. And i don't fuck up my job just because i don't feel like. I don't understand why so many people have no standards at all.
This is true.
Lashing out or getting defensive is easy and the first thing that human nature dictates one to do. However, those who are truly admirable restrain themselves, professional or not, because that is the harder path to take.
Self-control is a great character trait, "bending over and taking it" ( which is a horrible way to put it) is just what you have to do as a professional, it's expected of you. Swallow your pride.
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On December 15 2011 06:08 Govou wrote:
How about a Naniwa vs Nestea show match at the end of Blizzard Cup?
Now that is an idea! Not only will it take away GOM's current 'no mercy' image surrounding the issue, it will do PR magic for all parties, being a show match and not a 'last place decider" match will make for great entertainment.
Im only disappointed that GOM are taking actions that will prevent such awesome games from occuring in the near future, i guess we all have to wait until after April if we want any shot at seeing this match again. It's not at NaNi's expense at all, it's us (the viewers) losing out
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On December 15 2011 11:48 Thorn Raven wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:42 poorcloud wrote:On December 15 2011 11:14 Tula wrote:On December 15 2011 11:00 diehilde wrote:
So bending over and saying what is expected of you instead of what you really think is the kind of professionalism we are getting here. A great day for professionalism, a sad day for gaming imo. posts like this make me question our world... Since when has "saying what you really think" ever been considerd professional in any context? It might be honest, but it seldom is professional. No salesperson in the world will ever tell you what they think. No reporter will ever ask a politician if he is fucking serious even if they probably should. Why is that? Because we as a society have certain norms we consider professional behaviour and blunt honesty (which is a nicer phrasing of "tactless" or "unfriendly" in many cases) is not a part of it in many jobs. Respect and Courtesy is far more likely. This. I don't know why so many people think its awesome to speak your mind directly. Hope these people go to any shops and have the sales person whos on a bad day shout at them. Then what are all you gonna do, are you gonna say "Good job for being yourself?". No you will be rightfully pissed as a customer. The salesperson should be professional and not let feelings get in the way of his/her job. We have standards in life. I don't go around telling people they suck just because i think they do. I don't hurt people feelings just because i say whats on my mind. And i don't fuck up my job just because i don't feel like. I don't understand why so many people have no standards at all. This is true. Lashing out or getting defensive is easy and the first thing that human nature dictates one to do. However, those who are truly admirable restrain themselves, professional or not, because that is the harder path to take. Self-control is a great character trait, "bending over and taking it" ( which is a horrible way to put it) is just what you have to do as a professional, it's expected of you. Swallow your pride.
Besides, pride can be quite tasty when salted with lovely lovely dollars. It's not like he was playing for free.
Personally, though, I think that one should play for pride. I like to think a real professional takes pride in everything they do. Being angry at the end of the day is fine, but against Nestea he had a chance to walk away with his head held high having beaten a still well respected player. 1-3 IS better than 0-4, and it's something to take with him into January.
I don't think it shows professional pride to only put in your effort when there's money on the line. In fact, that puts truth to the (mistranslated) accusation of 'amateur prize hunter'.
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Great statement from Quantic and great apology from Naniwa. I hope all is forgiven!
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Seems like Naniwa FINALLY realized what he needed to.
Hopefully this carries throughout and we can see some amazing stuff from him.
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On December 15 2011 11:49 Shortynut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:08 Govou wrote:
How about a Naniwa vs Nestea show match at the end of Blizzard Cup? Now that is an idea! Not only will it take away GOM's current 'no mercy' image surrounding the issue, it will do PR magic for all parties, being a show match and not a 'last place decider" match will make for great entertainment. Im only disappointed that GOM are taking actions that will prevent such awesome games from occuring in the near future, i guess we all have to wait until after April if we want any shot at seeing this match again. It's not at NaNi's expense at all, it's us (the viewers) losing out
Someone send Mr Chae this idea...
I think this would amend (not fully of course) some of the burned bridges from this fiasco
I would love to see a proper Naniwa vs Nestea...Make it a bo7 too
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eSports for life <3
i can now see what he did was actually a good thing, made him and gomtv realise how crucial it is to play like a professional for every televised match, its not really something that has been discussed at length, we are entering a new age of esports.
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If this is what naniwa really learned, I would definitely become fan of him.
I mean honestly, I dont give a shit whether he act disrespectful on nestea or not. I mean MC does it alll the time, Bomber and Losira did it. Anybody can do it, u might get hatred but you should not be blamed for it. Sometime, it makes game entertaining. However, this is different matter. Anyhow, I guess case closed.
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As long as Naniwa knows and recognizes his mistake it's all good
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On December 15 2011 11:05 Parcelleus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:52 IPA wrote:On December 15 2011 10:45 Parcelleus wrote:On December 15 2011 10:41 Squeegy wrote:On December 15 2011 10:27 Parcelleus wrote:
SC2 just got worse cos of this pathetic display of player bashing cos he is himself.
Lost alot of respect for the sc2 'scene'.
The people trying to run Naniwa's life are even worse. How dare he be himself ? PLease. Nobody is trying to ruin Naninwa's life except himself. If he doesn't conform to some of the rules of the big world such as that you show respect to others you'll run into trouble sooner or later. That sooner or later is now for Naniwa. He can either learn from this or he can continue on his path and keep shooting his own leg. Looking at the apology he is taking this the right way. It is nice of course that we have good fairy godmothers such as yourself to nurture him and to tell him that he can act any way he wants and it's okay. Unfortunately the real world doesn't work like that and the sooner he changes his behaviour (this does not mean losing any of his so-called passion or even his way of thinking) at least in the public the better off he is. It is just mind-boggling that some people think you can act in any way you want. You can't. Sometimes you just have to do unpleasant things like play a quick game of SC2 in front of a crowd. It may not feel nice at the moment but if you don't and you step on people's toes then don't be surprised if there are consequences (no, I don't think GOM's decision was optimal). I said run not ruin. It's not upto YOU to make decision for other ppl. They do it themselves just fine. Unless you work for someone or have agreed to provide a service and then don't do it. Then you face repercussions because you're no longer representing just yourself (a.k.a. 99% of us who work). How does this not make sense? You can't just go around being a dick and then say "stop treading on me! I'm just being myself." That's not how it works in the real world. I hate to sound like "that guy" but seriously -- actions have consequences! They really do. And Naniwa knows it now. And I predict we won't be seeing as much dickery from him in the future. Naniwa did provide his service: to play GSL games that matter. In the games that mattered he gave it all. And just like other GSL players in the past who tanked or 'didnt give their best' in games that "didnt matter' , yet Naniwa is banned ? I hate to be 'that guy', but GOMTV's actions has consequences.
That's ridiculous. Naniwa is expected to play every game he's scheduled to play, regardless of its value. What GOM needs to do it put in place an option in future tournaments that if a game has no value in the context of the event then the refs can decide that the match is to be skipped.
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If that statement is genuine then I forgive him. I have my doubts about this premise, though.
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Theres no way i would have ever apologized for people going apeshit over something so stupid.
People dont complain when people throw games at blizzcon in BW to avoid playing certain opponents.
and i mean trying hard to lose too.
And people go apeshit because the game didnt matter and he probe rushed.
like are you serious right now
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at least he apoligized.....
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