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now that he's being fake everyone will like him again lol....
honest:
game was meaningless and he was too tired, stressed and upset to play it out, community mad.
community:
'just 4 gate, pretend you're trying for me!!'
honest:
gives his explanation on why he did what he did.
community: still mad.
Phony:
gives full blown recantation and apology through his team's press release with major 'self realizations about esports' that not only seem completely out of his character but don't feel to have an once of truth behind them after shit storm gets to big'
community: well now that's a nice statement, we can move on now.
people are so weird, i feel like there should be a troll face somewhere in here.
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.... lynch mob justice i guess.... Good on you naniwa for playing their game. Just a bunch of bullshit in the end. At least Nani can admit he makes mistakes, GOM and Mr Chea play everything off as though the world is fucked and they are the only sane ones.
Last straw for me... GOM tv account cancelled.
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On December 15 2011 12:38 crms wrote:
now that he's being fake everyone will like him again lol....
honest:
game was meaningless and he was too tired, stressed and upset to play it out, community mad.
community:
'just 4 gate, pretend you're trying for me!!'
honest:
gives his explanation on why he did what he did.
community: still mad.
Phony:
gives full blown recantation and apology through his team's press release with major 'self realizations about esports' that not only seem completely out of his character but don't feel to have an once of truth behind them after shit storm gets to big'
community: well now that's a nice statement, we can move on now.
people are so weird, i feel like there should be a troll face somewhere in here.
what do you mean by game was meaningless lol
people paid to say up late to watch his games and he shits on the viewers
at least naniwa became a better person through this. its ignorant naniwa fanboys who refuse to accept the truth who are making him look bad tbh
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Yup, everyone here made my arguments. I'm pretty upset with Naniwa. I thought he would be more professional coming from a WC3 background iirc. He can't do anything but serve his consequences and work hard to get back to his previous status. I waited 3 days to finally watch his Nestea match and all I got were probes. Made me feel sick. And that guy on the front page who is saying this is just a game doesn't get what SC2 means to this community. Thanks for the apology Quantic, you don't ever deserve having a player disrepect your team name like that.
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I grew up in the U.S. but sometimes I'm still shocked at the complete lack of standards prevalent in many "westerners". Naniwa's situation is not simply due to his "throwing a game", it's that he openly did it with blatant disrespect for any competitive spirit. Let me put it this way--a policeman cannot possibly catch every criminal in existence, but if a crime is being committed right before his eyes, he is obligated to respond to it. If Naniwa didn't want to try his hardest for the game he should have A. openly approached management about it, or B. not have let his refusal to apply effort show so clearly. Behaving like a petulant child was not a good idea. Regardless as to the sincerity of this apology, it's a good idea to learn from this mistake and move on rather than dwell on it.
I appreciate Naniwa's determination, but to those who would let his lack of professionalism slide because it's "not a big deal", all I can say is I'd probably never want to visit a business run with that kind of mentality. From restaurants to other services, letting the small things slide is what causes the environment to deteriorate. It's better to dish out small punishments for small infractions rather than let it escalate to larger scandals for which an organization is forced to apply much greater penalties.
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On December 15 2011 06:09 KAkos MAgos wrote:
well dont apologize. idra ragequits and is badmannered too and no one says something.
GOMTV is being sillly with its descision. comon. ITS A GAME WTF. thank go we are not like the koreans and take that whole gaming thing so seriously.
idra ragequits and bad manners, but he would never pull the same stunts in GSL. He knows and respects Korean progaming
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Say what you want about NaNi, he's always forthcoming with responses regarding incident's he's involved in (whether it was his idea or his team's), glad this is all coming to an end. NaNi will earn his Code S spot again and easily has the potential to go far in Code S.
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Huge respect to both Quantic and Naniwa - Quantic for standing with their player despite the fact that he was a very recent signing, and Naniwa for the very mature and well-thought out response. The original play may have been inappropriate, but the fallout has been handled very professionally by both team and player. Big props.
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Seems a bit late in the game for Naniwa to come to this realisation especially considering his statements on twitter and interviews after the incident occurred. I'm glad he apologised but it does not feel sincere at all just an attempt to try and save some of his tattered image
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On December 15 2011 10:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:12 mcc wrote:On December 15 2011 09:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:I'm glad MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL teams don't try to forfeit games where both teams are unable to reach the playoffs. Huk's blame placed on GOM for supposedly poor tournament design is ridiculous in light of this. Look at how hard Matt Barkley and the rest of USC played this season even though they knew from game 1 that they couldn't play in a conference championship game or bowl game (for the uninitiated, see: http://lostangelesblog.wordpress.com/). That is how sports are to be played and life is to be lived. This has absolutely nothing to do with any supposed cultural difference between Korea and NA / Europe. The OSL is the crown jewel of eSports, the shining example of how to make a computer game into an exciting cultural event. And just about every OSL round of 16 contains games between people who can't make the round of 8. I don't remember anyone throwing such games that badly. If a player did something that was suboptimal, they did something fun and creative for the fans, such as (I believe) Much trying to use Corsairs in PvT. Even though the Clippers are still not NBA Finals material with Blake Griffin, his enthusiasm and flashy dunks put more happy people in the seats. The very first GOM event with Tasteless, the very first eSport event I ever watched, the GOM Star Invitational, had a group with both Nada and Boxer. Tasteless had been talking them up all tournament but by the time they faced off, they were both 0-2 and couldn't make the next round. They had no problem with showing up, getting in the booths, and putting on a great show. Imagine how much worse my first impression of eSports would have been, how much less seriously I would take it, had one of them blatantly lost on purpose. I might never have watched another tournament. eSports is nascent; every day someone comes into contact with it the first time and for GOM TV and all of us who are trying to foster it, it is vital that we respect the virtues that keep its spirit alive. Losing a match on purpose, whether anyone bet on it or not, is unbecoming. Nobody on the other side of the planet wants to stay up until the wee hours of the morning to watch a sports show where at any time some player just might not feel like playing. That type of attitude is cancerous and NaNiWa already should have been on his best behavior given his team troubles, which makes his newest statement in response to his newest controversy too unreliable for GOM to keep him around for Code S. The job of the eAthlete is to put their honest best effort into the contests. It doesn't matter if you are the supposed best actor in the world, if you talk like a robot on purpose and don't show up on set just because you think the movie sucks then you deserve to get fired. But why this has to be standard ? Not all fans care for the fun pretend games. Not all players are good at pretending. Why cannot there be a diversity, why not let players that want to play for fans do that and those that do not likewise ? Do we really want a bunch of dishonest actors, it seems that majority (although not overwhelming majority) wants fake, but nicely looking facade. This is exactly the place where market forces would work great. Players that do not attract fans and sponsors would just not have them, there is no reason to force everyone into the same box. Point of the professional scene is in money, so let the market decide. And yes I support tournaments to just not invite players that they do not like, but in transparent manner and with the knowledge that it might bite them in the ass. No game is a pretend game; that is the proper attitude. Especially not a game that is in booths, on a stage, in front of fans (some of them paying), and in front of real commentators, and with real sponsors. The point, though, is never money; money is means. I am especially disappointed that Naniwa would throw a game against Nestea, with whom he has developed a special rivalry with recently. If he can't get excited about showing that, even at 0-3, he is still playing better than Nestea, than it seems Naniwa's motivations are far too narrow, as he has indicated in his statement. So, I hope he takes that to heart.
So you are imputing your personal preferences to everyone else. Not only personal, but biologically impossible ones. There will always be pretend games in such circumstances and there is no way to prevent it. The only thing you can do is force the players to hide the "fakeness" of the game by being better at pretending. But that just seems pointless. Yes, Naniwa will take to heart that next time he has to pretend and everything will be fine, because some fans just seem to love the lies and fake games. That is what irks me, people are supporting lies and deceit as proper professional conduct. It is true that in real professional sports lies and deceit are par for the course, does not mean it is a good thing or I have to support it and I won't by not watching GSL. Easy as that.
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We still love you Naniwa, been a fan ever since the TSL match vs. Thorzain, keep fighting and keep strong!
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On December 15 2011 13:47 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On December 15 2011 10:12 mcc wrote:On December 15 2011 09:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:I'm glad MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL teams don't try to forfeit games where both teams are unable to reach the playoffs. Huk's blame placed on GOM for supposedly poor tournament design is ridiculous in light of this. Look at how hard Matt Barkley and the rest of USC played this season even though they knew from game 1 that they couldn't play in a conference championship game or bowl game (for the uninitiated, see: http://lostangelesblog.wordpress.com/). That is how sports are to be played and life is to be lived. This has absolutely nothing to do with any supposed cultural difference between Korea and NA / Europe. The OSL is the crown jewel of eSports, the shining example of how to make a computer game into an exciting cultural event. And just about every OSL round of 16 contains games between people who can't make the round of 8. I don't remember anyone throwing such games that badly. If a player did something that was suboptimal, they did something fun and creative for the fans, such as (I believe) Much trying to use Corsairs in PvT. Even though the Clippers are still not NBA Finals material with Blake Griffin, his enthusiasm and flashy dunks put more happy people in the seats. The very first GOM event with Tasteless, the very first eSport event I ever watched, the GOM Star Invitational, had a group with both Nada and Boxer. Tasteless had been talking them up all tournament but by the time they faced off, they were both 0-2 and couldn't make the next round. They had no problem with showing up, getting in the booths, and putting on a great show. Imagine how much worse my first impression of eSports would have been, how much less seriously I would take it, had one of them blatantly lost on purpose. I might never have watched another tournament. eSports is nascent; every day someone comes into contact with it the first time and for GOM TV and all of us who are trying to foster it, it is vital that we respect the virtues that keep its spirit alive. Losing a match on purpose, whether anyone bet on it or not, is unbecoming. Nobody on the other side of the planet wants to stay up until the wee hours of the morning to watch a sports show where at any time some player just might not feel like playing. That type of attitude is cancerous and NaNiWa already should have been on his best behavior given his team troubles, which makes his newest statement in response to his newest controversy too unreliable for GOM to keep him around for Code S. The job of the eAthlete is to put their honest best effort into the contests. It doesn't matter if you are the supposed best actor in the world, if you talk like a robot on purpose and don't show up on set just because you think the movie sucks then you deserve to get fired. But why this has to be standard ? Not all fans care for the fun pretend games. Not all players are good at pretending. Why cannot there be a diversity, why not let players that want to play for fans do that and those that do not likewise ? Do we really want a bunch of dishonest actors, it seems that majority (although not overwhelming majority) wants fake, but nicely looking facade. This is exactly the place where market forces would work great. Players that do not attract fans and sponsors would just not have them, there is no reason to force everyone into the same box. Point of the professional scene is in money, so let the market decide. And yes I support tournaments to just not invite players that they do not like, but in transparent manner and with the knowledge that it might bite them in the ass. No game is a pretend game; that is the proper attitude. Especially not a game that is in booths, on a stage, in front of fans (some of them paying), and in front of real commentators, and with real sponsors. The point, though, is never money; money is means. I am especially disappointed that Naniwa would throw a game against Nestea, with whom he has developed a special rivalry with recently. If he can't get excited about showing that, even at 0-3, he is still playing better than Nestea, than it seems Naniwa's motivations are far too narrow, as he has indicated in his statement. So, I hope he takes that to heart. So you are imputing your personal preferences to everyone else. Not only personal, but biologically impossible ones. There will always be pretend games in such circumstances and there is no way to prevent it. The only thing you can do is force the players to hide the "fakeness" of the game by being better at pretending. But that just seems pointless. Yes, Naniwa will take to heart that next time he has to pretend and everything will be fine, because some fans just seem to love the lies and fake games. That is what irks me, people are supporting lies and deceit as proper professional conduct. It is true that in real professional sports lies and deceit are par for the course, does not mean it is a good thing or I have to support it and I won't by not watching GSL. Easy as that.
You really think everyone on every team pretends to try when they're out of playoff contention. Or maybe they try 'cause it's their job?
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Thank you Nani. Live and learn...
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hmm I think you should have kept this apology in nani's words >_<
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GJ nani. I really feel for you and I can totally empathize with what you've lost. My advice is just to jump into Code A (if they'll let you) and get into Code S the hard way, and then kick Nestea's ass. Nobody will ever talk shit on you again if you do this.
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On December 15 2011 06:09 KAkos MAgos wrote:
well dont apologize. idra ragequits and is badmannered too and no one says something.
GOMTV is being sillly with its descision. comon. ITS A GAME WTF. thank go we are not like the koreans and take that whole gaming thing so seriously.
this is why koreans look down on foreigners. they spend years making it a nationally recognized sport and a way of life, and foreigners just treat it like a game that doesnt really matter.
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well, starcraft is a game played by humans and hopefully will remain that way.
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argghh I still want gom to undo their punishment
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On December 15 2011 12:38 crms wrote:
now that he's being fake everyone will like him again lol....
honest:
game was meaningless and he was too tired, stressed and upset to play it out, community mad.
community:
'just 4 gate, pretend you're trying for me!!'
honest:
gives his explanation on why he did what he did.
community: still mad.
Phony:
gives full blown recantation and apology through his team's press release with major 'self realizations about esports' that not only seem completely out of his character but don't feel to have an once of truth behind them after shit storm gets to big'
community: well now that's a nice statement, we can move on now.
people are so weird, i feel like there should be a troll face somewhere in here.
This is how I feel about the whole thing. I mean I think everyone agrees he could have handled it better, but it's not exactly something we should be expecting apologies over...the entitlement mentality from the community is blowing my mind right about now.
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