• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:30
CEST 03:30
KST 10:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course5Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !7Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1400 users

Real talk: we need to stop nerfing everything

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
MrIronGolem27
Profile Joined July 2020
United States249 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-31 21:56:11
October 31 2024 21:48 GMT
#1
Over the last few years, we have seen nerfs to a lot of units:

- Liberators
- DTs
- Void Rays
- Queens
- Lurkers
- Brood Lords
- Ghosts
- Disruptors
- Widow Mines
- etc.

We decided at one point that they were broken, and we did away with them. We've nerfed all the OP shit and we're running out of stuff to nerf. Instead of creating counterplay for broken builds, we just got rid of them outright.

Nothing is fun. There's nothing to convince people to stick around for a patch that is gonna play the exact same as a year or two ago but now everybody has worse tools.

SC2 is still imbalanced.

What are we going to do about this?
HyperONE - StarCraft Evolution League organizer, SC: Evo Complete developer, mapmaker (author of Magannatha, TLMC19 2nd place, TLMC17 3rd+5th place), Liquipedia editor
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
November 01 2024 05:27 GMT
#2
Literally none of those units are fun lol
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
RandomPlayer
Profile Joined April 2012
Russian Federation400 Posts
November 01 2024 05:40 GMT
#3
It may be fun steamrolling with OP units, but it's frustrating being on the other side.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16063 Posts
November 01 2024 19:15 GMT
#4
I mean, I get where you're coming from as since the balance council took over the default response to a perceived problem is to simply nerf it, whereas actual interesting changes or new solutions have become much rarer. On the other hand, if one unit is nerfed it's technically a buff to every unit that is interacting with it so other units are are still 'buffed' in that sense.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Yasir5588
Profile Joined November 2024
1 Post
November 04 2024 07:23 GMT
#5
--- Nuked ---
CadeBrooks
Profile Joined November 2024
1 Post
November 13 2024 12:02 GMT
#6
--- Nuked ---
iso27001
Profile Joined August 2025
1 Post
August 11 2025 05:54 GMT
#7
--- Nuked ---
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1912 Posts
August 11 2025 09:47 GMT
#8
what an ironic post a bot bumped, but I actually agree with this, and it echoes the sentiment PiG was expressing with bringing back each races "fun toys."
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-11 10:41:48
August 11 2025 10:40 GMT
#9
On August 11 2025 18:47 CicadaSC wrote:
what an ironic post a bot bumped, but I actually agree with this, and it echoes the sentiment PiG was expressing with bringing back each races "fun toys."

I was going to respond, but then I realised that Tempest already wrote a perfect response 10 months ago:

On November 01 2024 14:27 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Literally none of those units are fun lol
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 30m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft345
RuFF_SC2 170
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 6674
Zeus 890
Artosis 714
Dota 2
monkeys_forever456
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Doublelift5910
JimRising 763
Other Games
tarik_tv17723
summit1g16917
gofns15049
Maynarde121
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV120
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 93
• Mapu2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra1270
Upcoming Events
GSL
6h 30m
Afreeca Starleague
8h 30m
Soma vs Leta
Wardi Open
10h 30m
Monday Night Weeklies
14h 30m
OSC
22h 30m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 8h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 8h
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL
5 days
GSL
6 days
Cure vs TBD
TBD vs Maru
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026: Closed Qualifier
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.