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On December 15 2011 15:28 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 15:12 wangstra wrote:On December 15 2011 14:58 Honeybadger wrote:On December 15 2011 12:38 crms wrote:
now that he's being fake everyone will like him again lol....
honest:
game was meaningless and he was too tired, stressed and upset to play it out, community mad.
community:
'just 4 gate, pretend you're trying for me!!'
honest:
gives his explanation on why he did what he did.
community: still mad.
Phony:
gives full blown recantation and apology through his team's press release with major 'self realizations about esports' that not only seem completely out of his character but don't feel to have an once of truth behind them after shit storm gets to big'
community: well now that's a nice statement, we can move on now.
people are so weird, i feel like there should be a troll face somewhere in here. Sometimes swallowing your pride is all people expect. How could he honestly offer reparations? Being a grownup is admitting you were wrong, even if you don't believe it. That is PRECISELY what not being a grown up is - chucking out sincerity in place for servile behavoir. That's why to an unattached observer the way this community has reacted is a joke. Unfortunately that's how a lot of the world works. We like servile behavior in this society. Oftentimes, we take it over honesty. Do I agree with this? No. But there's nothing to be done about it. It's really irritating and frustrating to those people who are typically blunt and honest with their words, but they have to learn to basically shut up or temper what they're saying. If you think your new boss is an incompetent asshole, and he asks you how you think he's doing, obviously you're going to tell him he's doing fine, especially at the rick of getting fired. Meh.
This:"Unfortunately that's how a lot of the world works". Agree with you.
My point of view: Naniwa did what the team requested, what a pro should have done, as in appolagize. I personally dont agree with this. The real nani is the one on the interview after the game - he is honest, put passion in this game, he is not fake! and that is why i liked him. If GOM and the surroundings "forced" him to apologize then well... this is how the world is working.. and i must agree with hes decision.. if you want to survive you need to make decisions even if you dont like or agree with them.
Best of luck nani!
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Thank you for the apology, Naniwa. Regardless of the feeling behind it, everyone must admit that had we not gotten an apology, we could never begin to forgive nor regain respect for Naniwa. Since we are human beings, we will not assume he is lying, we will assume he is being sincere. Naniwa disgusts me. And yet I will assume he is being sincere, not because I am naive, but because this is the only possible way to give him another chance.
I posted this on another thread, but I believe it bears repeating here:
Something I sense a lot across these forums-and I see it creeping in here as well-which I would like to take this opportunity to caution against, is an "us" vs. "them" attitude in regards to so-called "foreigner" and Korean events/players/attitudes/culture/teams/companies. This isn't a "we're non-Korean and they are" site, this is an international site. Everybody gets worked up, and everybody has biases that take time to work through. This community and Starcraft in general provide amazing opportunities for lots of people to open themselves up to new cultures, especially (as history would have it) that of Korea. I'm just saying: don't make it an us vs. them issue, please (on whatever side of the Korean border you're on). There's a bigger "we" here--the starcraft lovers. Also, please remember that "the Koreans" are not far away. Many Korean people are members of this community. Also, "the Koreans" are not one indivisible body. There are many Korean individuals, teams, progamers, and organizations that are distinct and have a distinct perspective.
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Well anyone who thinks this is straight from Naniwa should think again.
This is a classic example of a Standard-Public-Relations-Note.
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Nice apology, been said too much how silly it was, I hope it blows over now.
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On December 15 2011 16:42 pampelmus wrote:
Well anyone who thinks this is straight from Naniwa should think again.
This is a classic example of a Standard-Public-Relations-Note.
My thoughts too. Guess it "had to" be done though, but the tone of the message is soooooo far from how Naniwa comments on other stuff. Even his interview post-match was far from this. And him being sorry for seemingly everyone in the world..... ? Nah, its just too obvious.
Though, one can still hope Naniwa learned something from this.
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On December 15 2011 16:42 pampelmus wrote:
Well anyone who thinks this is straight from Naniwa should think again.
This is a classic example of a Standard-Public-Relations-Note.
I guess Naniwa is aiming to be the Alec Baldwin of Starcraft 2.
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Screw these formal apologies. Naniwa is not a prime minister and Blizz cup is not a G20 meeting. That last game was damn meaningless because, regardless of what everyone says, it led to nothing for both players and at best it would be just another ladder game like. I enjoyed that drone rush because it pointed out a flaw in Blizzard cup tournament format. Hopefully, Mr. Chae will make his conclusions out of this incident as apparently Naniwa has.
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hope gomtv stands by their decision, i think he needs to learn it the really hard way
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ermm... so he did a complete 360 on his intial statement/interview after 1 day but now is apologetic after his code S seed get revoked...
man, people should stop being so guile-able. if he was genuinely sorry, its because he lost his seed not because any other reasons like disappointing his fans... He has a bad attitude as a person, teams don't just transfer you after just a single week...
he doesn't respect anyone but himself, and when people complain, he just disregard them as haters.
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"I had something very special prepared just for him, and I’m sure he had something just as special planned himself."
Then why didn't you bloody show us!?
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Bla, bla, bla - words; he`s only sorry because of the way things turned out; screw him.
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On December 15 2011 06:16 Andreas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:14 nimdil wrote:We understand that GOMTV’s decision to revoke NaNiwa’s Code S spot for the next GSL season was not one that was made lightly. He has decided against participating in the coming GSL season as a statement of his sincere regret and in the hopes that he may have a future opportunity to compete in GSL against the world’s best. I don't exactly understand this. So they revoked his Code S spot and he decided against participating in the next GSL Season? Does it mean that he will participate in neither Up/Down / Code A or are they saying that both NaNiwa and GOM decided against him playing in Code S next season? I think it just means Nani will refrain from even trying to qualify for Code A.
Well, from what we've seen, he can't win a series in Code A. He's probably hoping this apology lets him skip that nightmare of a tournament -- for him at least -- and go straight back into Code S like he did before he threw it all away.
On December 15 2011 17:38 Reasonable wrote:
Screw these formal apologies. Naniwa is not a prime minister and Blizz cup is not a G20 meeting. That last game was damn meaningless because, regardless of what everyone says, it led to nothing for both players and at best it would be just another ladder game like. I enjoyed that drone rush because it pointed out a flaw in Blizzard cup tournament format. Hopefully, Mr. Chae will make his conclusions out of this incident as apparently Naniwa has.
So, let's say you have USA, Brazil, Germany, and England in Group A for the World Cup. USA opens 0-2 and stands no chance in qualifying for the next rounds. Do you really think they'd get away with throwing the last game? I mean, it's pretty damn meaningless. But you know what? These people are the best at what they do and they have this thing called pride. Apparently Naniwa doesn't.
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Naniwa is now a great sc2 player and a man who is controlling his emotions, I can't wait to see how this mature attitude changes the way he represents himself later on in tournaments as well as in practice. I hope to see amazing things from him and best of luck to him and Quantic.
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On December 15 2011 17:44 Neptuneajax wrote:
"I had something very special prepared just for him, and I’m sure he had something just as special planned himself."
Then why didn't you bloody show us!?
Wait, you can't be so ignorant. Or can you?
I must admit I was not a fan of Naniwa before, but now I am. Some upper comments are right on the topic that that is how the world works. Yes, you don't say to your boss that he is an asshole, that is true. But props to Naniwa for doing so.
If GOM had not revoked the seed, would this drama had happened? Lol, no. The only people that were offended are some koreans, because guess what? They are korean. Have you ever tried to learn korean? Took me so much time to accept that I have to speak politely even if the another person can speak in 반말 with me. But now I accept that some people value artificial things over honesty. Though your supposed not to judge a book by it's cover, that is how the world goes on.
It's ok.
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Unless he had a written contract with gom tv that he violated with his actions, gom.tv should shut up.
Now did he violate a written contract? (I don't know)
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this is obviously a forced apology to appease emotionally-unstable korean tournament authority.
it shows that Naniwa is apologizing even for GOM's mistakes. He really didn't want that to happen. I think GOM has to apologize to Naniwa and to us the fans, the whole community, for acting like a kid.
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Talking about his "swedish fans" all the time makes me not like him lol
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maybe if they didn't make people who are already out of the running plan another useless match that doesn't have any weight at all, players wouldn't do stuff like this.
GomTV stretches things out needlessly so often. Who cares if both players are out, don't make them play another stupid game.
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Many people wanted to see Naniwa crush Nestea for a 3th time in a row. Or to see Nestea get his revenge.
I wanted to see that as well.
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What are you even discussing here? Are you CEO of Quantic? They admitted Naniwa did something wrong and apologized for that. End of story. Whether you like it or not it still happened. I'm happy Quantic handled it this way, maybe Naniwa will actually think twice before he do something inappropriate next time. And it is not about korean community, but about community as one entity. Now at least we have precedence to use when similar situation occurs. And please, stop this 'hypocrisy' nonsense - you sound like a 10yo who don't ever want to apologize for anything, because he doesn't think he hurt someone.
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