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On December 15 2011 20:55 Letall wrote:
Catering to the masses of self entilted douchebags that seem to hang on this forum, "I feel super offended you should aplogize to me" people are so full of themselves and they talk about respect yet have none. I don't see the need for this apology but its what people wanted I guess.
that's pretty much how this apology sounds to me, exactly like your tone
like "wtf I didn't do anything wrong, but here, see, I apologize if it makes you happy"
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On December 15 2011 12:38 crms wrote:
now that he's being fake everyone will like him again lol....
honest:
game was meaningless and he was too tired, stressed and upset to play it out, community mad.
community:
'just 4 gate, pretend you're trying for me!!'
honest:
gives his explanation on why he did what he did.
community: still mad.
Phony:
gives full blown recantation and apology through his team's press release with major 'self realizations about esports' that not only seem completely out of his character but don't feel to have an once of truth behind them after shit storm gets to big'
community: well now that's a nice statement, we can move on now.
people are so weird, i feel like there should be a troll face somewhere in here.
GG
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You didn't have anything to apologize for.
From my point of view it was a pointless game since it didn't affect results that mattered (had one of the players been able to advance it would have, but that's a different situation). It was the tournments formats fault (had it been a pure show-match tournament/match it would have been a different situation, but then the players should be there to produce "fun" games not winning games).
Oh, and I agree:
On December 15 2011 12:38 crms wrote:
now that he's being fake everyone will like him again lol....
honest:
game was meaningless and he was too tired, stressed and upset to play it out, community mad.
community:
'just 4 gate, pretend you're trying for me!!'
honest:
gives his explanation on why he did what he did.
community: still mad.
Phony:
gives full blown recantation and apology through his team's press release with major 'self realizations about esports' that not only seem completely out of his character but don't feel to have an once of truth behind them after shit storm gets to big'
community: well now that's a nice statement, we can move on now.
people are so weird, i feel like there should be a troll face somewhere in here.
It is so pointless when progamers (bw & sc2) execute pretend all-ins in pointless games when they essentially don't care... fix tournament formats instead.
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lol you guys really don't realise how bad what he did is
these games are on T.V. - people invest money to run these shows !
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On December 15 2011 18:18 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 17:48 mrjpark wrote:On December 15 2011 06:16 Andreas wrote:On December 15 2011 06:14 nimdil wrote:We understand that GOMTV’s decision to revoke NaNiwa’s Code S spot for the next GSL season was not one that was made lightly. He has decided against participating in the coming GSL season as a statement of his sincere regret and in the hopes that he may have a future opportunity to compete in GSL against the world’s best. I don't exactly understand this. So they revoked his Code S spot and he decided against participating in the next GSL Season? Does it mean that he will participate in neither Up/Down / Code A or are they saying that both NaNiwa and GOM decided against him playing in Code S next season? I think it just means Nani will refrain from even trying to qualify for Code A. Well, from what we've seen, he can't win a series in Code A. He's probably hoping this apology lets him skip that nightmare of a tournament -- for him at least -- and go straight back into Code S like he did before he threw it all away. On December 15 2011 17:38 Reasonable wrote:
Screw these formal apologies. Naniwa is not a prime minister and Blizz cup is not a G20 meeting. That last game was damn meaningless because, regardless of what everyone says, it led to nothing for both players and at best it would be just another ladder game like. I enjoyed that drone rush because it pointed out a flaw in Blizzard cup tournament format. Hopefully, Mr. Chae will make his conclusions out of this incident as apparently Naniwa has. So, let's say you have USA, Brazil, Germany, and England in Group A for the World Cup. USA opens 0-2 and stands no chance in qualifying for the next rounds. Do you really think they'd get away with throwing the last game? I mean, it's pretty damn meaningless. But you know what? These people are the best at what they do and they have this thing called pride. Apparently Naniwa doesn't. Bad example. The USA game wouldn't be meaningless, it would still have implications for which of the other three teams qualified. Think of the USA as "King Makers" in that kind of situation. This NaNiwa/NesTea game was absolutely meaningless and shouldn't have been played: It didn't have any implications for who qualified whatsoever. If you're going to use an example, at least choose one that isn't silly. I don't condone what NaNiwa did, but I think that the reaction has been overblown. Although I'd like to think that this new statement is sincere - because I think he will become a better player when he plays for more than just himself - I don't think that it is, which makes it a shame that people are eating it up. But if it gets the heat off his back for what I think wasn't that big a deal (although definitely not a good thing) then that's cool.
I ll give you an example that isnt silly. barcelona securing their 1st position of the league before the final match of the season playing against a random team like Getafe who have also secured 11th place of the league. there are 100000s of these "meaningless games" in football as well as in many other sport events. do they ever get cancelled? NO! does any player just sit and not play, or does one team just completely give up because they dont care? NO! it just doesnt happen. its not just about qualifying for the next round, its about respecting the fans and the opponent.
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Now that was professional! Well done!!
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On December 16 2011 00:27 Boonbag wrote:
lol you guys really don't realise how bad what he did is
these games are on T.V. - people invest money to run these shows !
Yeah that's the thing, why do they have this system if matches turn meaningless and players won't play their best?
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is it bad that i don't think that was naniwa's apology? Didn't naniwa himself say that the probe rush wasn't that big of a deal and that he just didn't feel like playing? I swear i remember reading that with the initial reaction and that he probably shouldn't have done it but do a 4 gate instead.
and, i really feel bad for QxG for getting dragged into this too.
edit @ moxi
would u complain about the system of naniwa had won a game previously and made the game not pointless? It's like saying, why bother to show any sports on tv in the latter months because they are pointless for 90% of the teams.
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This is definitely a very good thing. The two of them should also totally do a showmatch Bo3
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Good statement. I feel that whilst Naniwa handled the situation a little unprofessionally so did GOMTV, this punishment was far too harsh given the situation and I hope they reconsider as I personally have lost all interest in paying for their services.
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On December 15 2011 06:10 LiamTheZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:09 KAkos MAgos wrote:
well dont apologize. idra ragequits and is badmannered too and no one says something.
GOMTV is being sillly with its descision. comon. ITS A GAME WTF. thank go we are not like the koreans and take that whole gaming thing so seriously.
Thank god the Koreans have a sense of pride in what they do.
Thank god we have things to take pride in other than StarCraft
Naniwa hasnt done anything wrong. he chooses how to play this game and if you dont like it well thast just too bad. this whole thing is ridiculous he played the game and violated no agreements.
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Yep, I'm pretty satisfied with the statement and wish the best of luck to Quantic Gaming and Naniwa¹.
I really can't see the decision for him to be removed from Code S to be revoked, but I hope that Idra's place wasn't the direct replacement, as IdrA as a player in game is more prone to straight-out abusive language and childish name calling (like to Ensnare in GSL way back, last year) and hasn't had that many great results recently as far as I can recall.
Obviously, if he HAS achieved more than say, Sase, Stephano or anyone else that may have been viable options (I'm guessing they wanted another foreigner specifically, perhaps not though), then I can understand, but I didn't think that was the case.
So long as Naniwa can get back into Code S through results or qualification through Code A/up&down matches/whatever the system allows these days, then it's not too bad. So long as koreans like Choya can learn to recognise that it wasn't only unprofessional or terrible bastard behaviour, whatever he thought and that it's also emotion coming into play.
Does anyone else think that if Naniwa had instead 6pooled Nestea (which would have been considered a legitimate strategy, even if executed Idra-style), failed miserably and then typed "fck u faggot being a popular drink is a useful talent toi have", the korean would have, and definitely should have, found it to be much worse?
I hope so. People should consider what really is more disrespectful and whether the disrespect is really even intended.
Gogo Naniwa (but don't do it again, of course @_@)!
¹ I was going to type 何はbefore then finding { Naniwa (former name for Osaka region) } 
This is an aside, butOn December 16 2011 00:37 jspark703 wrote:NO! does any player just sit and not play, or does one team just completely give up because they dont care? NO! it just doesnt happen. its not just about qualifying for the next round, its about respecting the fans and the opponent.
No offence to you personally, but that examples is actually rubbish. I mean, the game goes on, they play it, but a lot of the time, the winning team will field a second or even third string side, it's quite a common practice and they'll usually take a lot of the game in a relaxed fashion, with a little more time-wasting passing (just for the sake of spending time rather than for setting up play). Particularly notable players will likely still be used if they particularly wish to, sometimes veteran players who are fan favourites but not used so often would come on. If it were Man Utd quite some years ago, someone like Ole Gunnar Solskjær would undoubtedly come on to see if he can get yet another 1-2 super sub goals. (<- Liverpool fan by the way)
I understand what you're saying, but playing the game in a lax or less caring manner is quite common. Barcelona in such a situation would definitely give the game a good go, but on the other hand, they probably would also use numerous 2nd/3rd team choices too. That can affect the outcome of games, which could affect betting too.
+ Show Spoiler +(Unrelated) Thank goodness not everyone in the world feels pride is to be rejoiced. :D
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On December 16 2011 00:44 Moxi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 00:27 Boonbag wrote:
lol you guys really don't realise how bad what he did is
these games are on T.V. - people invest money to run these shows ! Yeah that's the thing, why do they have this system if matches turn meaningless and players won't play their best?
Simple:
A game between two professional gamers that is shown on TV is NEVER, EVER meaningless.
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On December 15 2011 20:38 LeopoldStotch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 18:17 Elizar wrote:
So the real, honest Naniwa was punished and then his personality was put behind bars.
This makes me sad, really.
I was and am on Nanis side on this, even after this artificial "public relations statement". So if Naniwa was a racist and sprouted hate messages in the middle of the game, would it still be ok because he's honest? Being honest is a good thing, being disrespectful isn't however.
What if you eat kids for breakfast? So, you don´t do that? Is it disrespectful of me to imply you do that? YES! So you basically complain about things you do yourself.
Live with the "apology" of Nani, if this is necessary for your happiness. It is disrespectful to imply him being racist (and totally untrue whatsoever).
Anyway, read what Dao has to say about the whole incident. He is much better with words than me (and you) and I can´t deny what he´s saying.
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GOmtv looks like a company run by kids.
With their definition of professionalism, they basically call guys like Zinedine Zidane or Michael Schumacher unprofessional. NP
This is so ridicoulous and blatantly pathetic, it just makes me wanna throw up.
To all the guys supporting gom: So you would also support a guy fouling in soccer to get both legs cut off for it?
Because thats even a real forbidden thing to do, Naniwa didnt break any rules.
"I ll give you an example that isnt silly. barcelona securing their 1st position of the league before the final match of the season playing against a random team like Getafe who have also secured 11th place of the league. there are 100000s of these "meaningless games" in football as well as in many other sport events."
Nope no games in there are meaningless. Naniwa's, however, actually was almost meaningless. Thats just a bad unfitting example. Sorry. If you dont understand why, try to think about it please 
"Nope Nani didnt get a Code S spot. You were all wrong. trolol"
I want an apology by Gomtv for their behaviour. Good thing I never gave them any money^^.
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On December 16 2011 01:03 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 00:44 Moxi wrote:On December 16 2011 00:27 Boonbag wrote:
lol you guys really don't realise how bad what he did is
these games are on T.V. - people invest money to run these shows ! Yeah that's the thing, why do they have this system if matches turn meaningless and players won't play their best? Simple: A game between two professional gamers that is shown on TV is NEVER, EVER meaningless.
And has meaning according to whom? What is the standard. Stephano and Naniwa want tourney wins not TV spots. Who are you do tell them how to think about StarCraft? For them it's a tool not an altar.
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Amazing response from Quantic. And I fucking love NaNiwa, no matter how socially "uncommon" he can be.
QxG NaNi FIGHTING!!!
EDIT: In my opinion, GOMTv's reaction is way too harsh. I certainly won't pay for my premium ticket this season.
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Ah, by the way: Naniwa apologized, which is the right thing to do from a diplomatic standpoint (although I don´t think that was neccessary, I can accept that). However, did GomTV apologized for the twitter-message calling him an amateur? If that would be the case please tell me, so I do not make false assumptions.
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On December 16 2011 01:49 Elizar wrote:
Ah, by the way: Naniwa apologized, which is the right thing to do from a diplomatic standpoint (although I don´t think that was neccessary, I can accept that). However, did GomTV apologized for the twitter-message calling him an amateur? If that would be the case please tell me, so I do not make false assumptions.
If you mean the money hunter thing that was a mistranslation.
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