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On December 16 2011 03:35 Mikau wrote:
Could anyone be kind enough to translate the comments from the koreans on the korean version of this on playxp? I'm rather curious what they think of this apology. Do they still hold a grudge or do they see it as it is, a clash of cultures?
I would be interested to see some sort of Korean netizen reaction to this whole incident, really. Are they are divided on the issue as we are, or is support more firmly behind GOM?
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I think (if GOMTV is up for it) they should have a Naniwa vs Nestea match before or after the final for showmanship. It won't matter anymore than the game that Nani threw, but this time it won't be a probe rush :p
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It's sad that Naniwa has been forced into such a sycophantic apology. I don't think choosing to do the probe rush was a perfect decision but i think it's been turned into something far worse than it is by over the top "your killing esports" reactions.
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wow Maybe I can start respecting nani again. This is def a step in the right direction. time will tell if he sticks by his word.
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On December 16 2011 03:47 kylethewarlock wrote:
I think (if GOMTV is up for it) they should have a Naniwa vs Nestea match before or after the final for showmanship. It won't matter anymore than the game that Nani threw, but this time it won't be a probe rush :p
u do realize that they wont show their best play if it doesnt mean anything...thats why korean players dont do show matches. its also why naniwa and many other players dont like to stream.
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Sure, when you have 10 post on TL in one day about what you did in a meaningless game, when GOM itself punish you with rules that never existed in the first place and that everybody feel they need to give their own point of view on the new drama, sure you have to apoligy...
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Ha publicity trick, everyone can fake sincerity, a pro-gamer so should know that no match is to be taken lightly and when you are in such a exclusive tournament it is a no brainer. but naniwa is like a mirror. once shattered it can never be made complete again you will always see the cracks. besides what happened in blizzard cup was the same attitude he demonstrated in providence and the invitational, so highly doubt he will truly change there is always that same old hole to fall into and i think he will
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On December 16 2011 04:29 Sackings wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:47 kylethewarlock wrote:
I think (if GOMTV is up for it) they should have a Naniwa vs Nestea match before or after the final for showmanship. It won't matter anymore than the game that Nani threw, but this time it won't be a probe rush :p u do realize that they wont show their best play if it doesnt mean anything...thats why korean players dont do show matches. its also why naniwa and many other players dont like to stream.
Wait but show matches have prizes...
That's how you get players to play in show matches...
That's incentive...
And Koreans do play in show matches...
You clearly don't understand what a show match is.
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On December 16 2011 03:02 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Very smart of Quantic and Naniwa to issue an apology. And it was a good apology at that.
Shit happens. We'll get over it. It was one game.
Apology accepted. Best of luck to everyone in the future. Please don't do it again.
Love you guys ♥ This guy is what is wrong with this situation. Everyone in the entire universe is just willing to accept a forced apology and then sit on it, yet every month some different bull shit is coming up. And then we get another forced apology and everyone is happy again. How long can this keep up? Is it really okay to give someone who's obviously having a near impossible time of meeting the standards that his title implies 500 extra chances? The line needs to be drawn somewhere.
Jesus, what else do you want? He already got a ridiculously harsh punishment. He was already made an example of. You want him hung too?
It's called damage control and trying to move on with tournaments and pro-gamers' lives. It's time to put out the torch and put away the pitchfork.
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I think naniwa and nestea should just do a rematch for their fans!
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...So just to be clear here:
He worker rushed. And that's all.
Right? I mean, I'm not missing any information, am I?
'Cause if that is indeed all, this controversy has got to be the grossest overreaction since 'Nipplegate'.
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On December 15 2011 06:09 KAkos MAgos wrote:
well dont apologize. idra ragequits and is badmannered too and no one says something.
GOMTV is being sillly with its descision. comon. ITS A GAME WTF. thank go we are not like the koreans and take that whole gaming thing so seriously.
"It's a game" argument for everything is getting REALLY old. It's not "just a game" anymore when there is an industry with jobs and money built around playing it and maintaining a certain level of professionalism.. Same way sports aren't "just a game" and have to enforce rules. American's take sports just as seriously, what the hells the difference? NFL players get penalized and fined thousands of dollars just for doing touchdown dances in football, players across various sports get fined and suspended for all sorts of reasons. They're all just "games" and yet it's ok to take them seriously but not starcraft?
Thinking the punishment is too harsh is fine, I think it might be too, but this "just a game" argument is just dumb. Please stop using this stupid, ridiculous argument.
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Yeah, now you come crying...
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On December 16 2011 07:33 darkest44 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:09 KAkos MAgos wrote:
well dont apologize. idra ragequits and is badmannered too and no one says something.
GOMTV is being sillly with its descision. comon. ITS A GAME WTF. thank go we are not like the koreans and take that whole gaming thing so seriously.
"It's a game" argument for everything is getting REALLY old. It's not "just a game" anymore when there is an industry with jobs and money built around playing it and maintaining a certain level of professionalism.. Same way sports aren't "just a game" and have to enforce rules. American's take sports just as seriously, what the hells the difference? NFL players get penalized and fined thousands of dollars just for doing touchdown dances in football, players across various sports get fined and suspended for all sorts of reasons. They're all just "games" and yet it's ok to take them seriously but not starcraft? Thinking the punishment is too harsh is fine, I think it might be too, but this "just a game" argument is just dumb. Please stop using this stupid, ridiculous argument.
But still, is just a game. Say what you want, but no harm comes from Naniwas choice. In life there are many serious things, many of them which are not even near to you because they are exclusive to 3rd world countries. And none of them, is gaming. Gaming is an activity than in reality is so unnecesary that i find myself feeling like an unrealistic idiot every time i treat it as something serious. Only after many and more important of your primary are secondary needs are met, only then are you able to treat something as shallow as a virtual self refening(*) human interaction as something important.
Face illness, unemployment, abandoment, murder, death, abuse, hunger, basically the sour patches of human life and then tell me that the reaction from the nerd community to this, is not to say the list insulting, when you have in mind, in what kind of world are we.
As someone who is exposed every day to massives amounts extreme neglected poverty i found hard to act like a probe rush is something deserving of the amounts of despite thrown here.
(*) I do not know if the term is either self refering or self referencing. What I mean is that starcraft, is about starcraft every time, and thats pretty much it.
pd. Please note that all i said applies for professional sports. And the reason players are fined, it´s because the Super-Rich are running the pro-sports business, and are not willing to risk their margins with random human behaviour from the players. Fines don't mean that something is important.
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Ok guys first i wanna tell to all the STUPID ppl that thinks this decision by GOMtv is too harsh and bad and bla bla the following - ARE U RETARDED !! ?!?.This is the very least that GSL could have done to "punish" NaNiWa!He did the most idiotic thing that i have ever seen. SO here is the thing - I have bought the GSL Premium early ticket for 140$( coz ads are pretty annoying  ) so I can watch my favourite players in my favourite tournament . The BlizzCup seemed to be pretty darn amazing considering all the champions participating in it and then what do I get.Some focking "emotional" prick ruining my whole experience , my whole day and my whole tournament by doing this most idiotic thing ever ?!?!? SRSLY ?!?!?.I was sooooo angry when I saw that that if i was there i would like yell to him so bad and ask him WTF IS HE THINKING HE IS DOING ?!!?!? if he was thinking at all which i really doubt a lot. . .If it was my decision i would bann him from GSL at least for some months , then i must talk to other tournament organizators and tell them about his "decision" so they can re-think their opinions on his attitude(if they want to of course) because that is something pretty serious.Now that maybe could sound a little bit "harsh and wrong" but not the GOMtv decision which would even allow him to participate in the next GSL which is after like 2-3 weeks LOL.He did something "amazing" and he must take the consequences of that shit! . . . because i pay to watch e-sports and I love it but actions like that are very unacceptable!
P.S. I doubt a little bit that the comment posted on teamliquid to be his own but if it is and he thinks that what he did was terrible then i could live with the GOMtv's decision to let him qualify for next GSL if he chooses to but anyway that was a thing that is hard to be forgotten  I loved Naniwa and I was his fan but I doubt i can ever be such again and as for now I dont think i really wanna see him in the GSL unfortunately.
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On December 16 2011 09:21 SharkZ wrote:Ok guys first i wanna tell to all the STUPID ppl that thinks this decision by GOMtv is too harsh and bad and bla bla the following - ARE U RETARDED !! ?!?.This is the very least that GSL could have done to "punish" NaNiWa!He did the most idiotic thing that i have ever seen. SO here is the thing - I have bought the GSL Premium early ticket for 140$( coz ads are pretty annoying ) so I can watch my favourite players in my favourite tournament . The BlizzCup seemed to be pretty darn amazing considering all the champions participating in it and then what do I get.Some focking "emotional" prick ruining my whole experience , my whole day and my whole tournament by doing this most idiotic thing ever ?!?!? SRSLY ?!?!?.I was sooooo angry when I saw that that if i was there i would like yell to him so bad and ask him WTF IS HE THINKING HE IS DOING ?!!?!? if he was thinking at all which i really doubt a lot. . .If it was my decision i would bann him from GSL at least for some months , then i must talk to other tournament organizators and tell them about his "decision" so they can re-think their opinions on his attitude(if they want to of course) because that is something pretty serious.Now that maybe could sound a little bit "harsh and wrong" but not the GOMtv decision which would even allow him to participate in the next GSL which is after like 2-3 weeks LOL.He did something "amazing" and he must take the consequences of that shit! . . . because i pay to watch e-sports and I love it but actions like that are very unacceptable! P.S. I doubt a little bit that the comment posted on teamliquid to be his own but if it is and he thinks that what he did was terrible then i could live with the GOMtv's decision to let him qualify for next GSL if he chooses to but anyway that was a thing that is hard to be forgotten I loved Naniwa and I was his fan but I doubt i can ever be such again and as for now I dont think i really wanna see him in the GSL unfortunately.
So paying 140$ for a gold ticket gives you the right to tell everyone they are retarded ?
Manner up, or GomTV will ban you for good.
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I think it would be epic to see a bo5 or something between NaNiwa and NesTea, i reckon that would really clear the air for the fans but maybe that's just me
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Haha, way to go Quantic. You will apologize for Naniwa, then get rid of Naniwa, then explain, then answer some BM interviews of Naniwa.
It is/was so clear that this will happen, but I guess Quantic needs any sort of publicity to put their names out there.
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You didn't need to apologize, Naniwa. That was stupid by GOM. It was pointless to play that game since it wouldn't have mattered and the only reason pros play is so that they can get money. Most pros don't play for fun, but for money.
GOM should apologize.
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That said, even if I believe Naniwa made a mess, I do find the punishment too severe. Decisions have to be taken by a rule of law. And on what grounds, based on which rules does GomTV decide on such a punishment? It's pathetic that they become a bunch of Koreans punishing a foreigner for BMing Koreans.
I mean, come on, we get to rid a lot of Korean pro interviews where there is a sense that they take foreign players lightly. There have also been some cases where Koreans criticized out loud foreign tournaments. And last, a lot of Koreans receive invites for foreign events for just being a skillful Korean, no matter if they are assholes or not. They might not have made the same stupid things Naniwa has in him, but foreigners getting GSL spots is a part of that exchange, and it should be honored. As long as Naniwa didn't break a written rule, you cannot act upon it.
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