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gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
December 18 2011 11:25 GMT
#901
On December 18 2011 20:16 Msr wrote:
Knowing nani for years, I would say he did not mean his apology at all.

I think we can all agree that this is just damage control from Quantic.
Learion
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden28 Posts
December 18 2011 11:27 GMT
#902
On December 18 2011 20:16 Msr wrote:
Knowing nani for years, I would say he did not mean his apology at all.


Me personally would only have done it as damages control, since it was a ridiculous punishment compared to what he did. It would as worst been a slap on wrist in the west. And don't understand people who are justifying it with "he has been banned before", in other cases he actually did something bad.
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
December 18 2011 11:37 GMT
#903
On December 16 2011 15:12 Chaggi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 13:47 kickinhead wrote:
On December 16 2011 12:33 Chaggi wrote:
On December 16 2011 11:43 kickinhead wrote:
so, Nani apologized, what about an apology from GomTV?


what apology? they don't need to apologize.


There are ppl that have a different opinion... I didn't think Naniwa had to apologize, but I think it's smart and fair that he did. The way GomTV reacted was very harsh, publicly discrediting Naniwa, totally calling him out, posting humiliating statements from coaches about him and lying about the whole Code-S spot from MLG.


I think he should have apologized. But I think GOM's initial reaction (along with the Korean's) were too much. If you dont' have something good to say, just don't say it. I'm sure Naniwa isn't a bad person, and of course didn't mean for any of this to happen, but I agree with the decision from GOM that he should be punished. To discredit him and be like he's this and this and this, is just too much though


Now you just answered your own question. They should appologise for the discrediting of naniwa.
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Goa_Addict
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria1 Post
December 18 2011 11:37 GMT
#904
Uuuh, what happened? lol
Slipspace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States381 Posts
December 18 2011 11:54 GMT
#905
Idk what kind of organization punishes people for people for reasons based on "honor" and "integrity". No rules were broken. If he broke a rule, the severe punishment would make sense. As it stands, it's silly and uncivilized. Stay savage, Korea.

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Malkavian183
Profile Joined February 2011
Turkey227 Posts
December 18 2011 11:57 GMT
#906
a good statement! everybody makes mistakes sometimes. if naniwa continues playing as he is right now, all of this will be forgotten in no time!
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colate
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway121 Posts
December 18 2011 11:58 GMT
#907
I doubt NaNiwa meant what he said there. I mean, come on. He makes it sound as if he had a revelation after this incident. Suddenly, out of nowhere, thousands upon thousands of wild fans appear! He isn't that narrow minded? Clearly he must have known that his profession has fans and spectators as its foundation - the reason he even have bread on the table.
beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 12:03:13
December 18 2011 12:02 GMT
#908
On December 18 2011 20:54 Slipspace wrote:
Idk what kind of organization punishes people for people for reasons based on "honor" and "integrity". No rules were broken. If he broke a rule, the severe punishment would make sense. As it stands, it's silly and uncivilized. Stay savage, Korea.


Yay contradiction.
Slipspace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States381 Posts
December 18 2011 12:06 GMT
#909
On December 18 2011 21:02 beamingrobot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 20:54 Slipspace wrote:
Idk what kind of organization punishes people for people for reasons based on "honor" and "integrity". No rules were broken. If he broke a rule, the severe punishment would make sense. As it stands, it's silly and uncivilized. Stay savage, Korea.


Yay contradiction.


no those things correspond perfectly..but it might be a bit biased, sure. if you're going to correct me, at least do it....correctly.
Smile[PaiN]
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada58 Posts
December 18 2011 12:10 GMT
#910
On December 18 2011 21:02 beamingrobot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 20:54 Slipspace wrote:
Idk what kind of organization punishes people for people for reasons based on "honor" and "integrity". No rules were broken. If he broke a rule, the severe punishment would make sense. As it stands, it's silly and uncivilized. Stay savage, Korea.


Yay contradiction.


lol yeah that made me laugh as well
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
December 18 2011 12:12 GMT
#911
On December 18 2011 20:27 Learion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 20:16 Msr wrote:
Knowing nani for years, I would say he did not mean his apology at all.


Me personally would only have done it as damages control, since it was a ridiculous punishment compared to what he did. It would as worst been a slap on wrist in the west. And don't understand people who are justifying it with "he has been banned before", in other cases he actually did something bad.


taking away free tickets to gsl code S is a slap on the wrist for what he did. He should have been banned from GSL just like any Korean would've if they pulled the same stunt.

msl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany477 Posts
December 18 2011 12:13 GMT
#912
On December 18 2011 20:58 colate wrote:
I doubt NaNiwa meant what he said there. I mean, come on. He makes it sound as if he had a revelation after this incident. Suddenly, out of nowhere, thousands upon thousands of wild fans appear! He isn't that narrow minded? Clearly he must have known that his profession has fans and spectators as its foundation - the reason he even have bread on the table.


I find it fascinating that one the one hand it is considered professional and even expected to be dishonest in the sense that it would have been OK to throw the game in a non-obvious manner but not in an obious one.
However when an appology is issued that might or might not have been crafted by PR professionals we immedeatly start to debatte if the apology is honest and from the heart. Have your cake and eat it too, as it were.

If you value professionalism over personality, here is a nice example of what you ultimately will get: Bland statements and players afraid to be humans instead of entertainment machines. It doesn't matter if the statement is damage control or heartfelt. It is what has been asked for by the community. Lesson learned, as it were, although I have my doubt that it was the right one.
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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
December 18 2011 12:16 GMT
#913
it's a good apology. hopefully nani can learn something from this incident.
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iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 12:20:00
December 18 2011 12:19 GMT
#914
On December 18 2011 21:13 msl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 20:58 colate wrote:
I doubt NaNiwa meant what he said there. I mean, come on. He makes it sound as if he had a revelation after this incident. Suddenly, out of nowhere, thousands upon thousands of wild fans appear! He isn't that narrow minded? Clearly he must have known that his profession has fans and spectators as its foundation - the reason he even have bread on the table.


I find it fascinating that one the one hand it is considered professional and even expected to be dishonest in the sense that it would have been OK to throw the game in a non-obvious manner but not in an obious one.
However when an appology is issued that might or might not have been crafted by PR professionals we immedeatly start to debatte if the apology is honest and from the heart. Have your cake and eat it too, as it were.

If you value professionalism over personality, here is a nice example of what you ultimately will get: Bland statements and players afraid to be humans instead of entertainment machines. It doesn't matter if the statement is damage control or heartfelt. It is what has been asked for by the community. Lesson learned, as it were, although I have my doubt that it was the right one.


nobody said it was ok to throw game in non-obvious manner, but obviously throwing games in obvious manner is really just sending out a message thinking that you are above everyone else. If you're going to cheat, don't announce to the class while doing it and think that makes you honest and it'll be fine.

LeibSaiLeib
Profile Joined October 2010
173 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 12:25:05
December 18 2011 12:21 GMT
#915
reading threads like this allways makes me wonder how can people be so caring of other peoples buisness. You cant assume everyones perfect, just deal with it (or the way YOU want them to be).

The intelligent way:

I am looking fovard to the game, oh Naniwa threw it away, well i guess ill be looking for rematch.

The normal way of doing it :

I am TINGLING I WANA SEE THE GAME, Naniwa threw it away, FUCK THAT; WTF DUDE ASLEJAÖLSKJDASLDJ.

I guess thats why there is saying, haters gonna hate.

EDIT: But then again, most of e sports is probably built upon the second attitude.
Slipspace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States381 Posts
December 18 2011 12:29 GMT
#916
On December 18 2011 21:21 LeibSaiLeib wrote:
reading threads like this allways makes me wonder how can people be so caring of other peoples buisness. You cant assume everyones perfect, just deal with it (or the way YOU want them to be).

The intelligent way:

I am looking fovard to the game, oh Naniwa threw it away, well i guess ill be looking for rematch.

The normal way of doing it :

I am TINGLING I WANA SEE THE GAME, Naniwa threw it away, FUCK THAT; WTF DUDE ASLEJAÖLSKJDASLDJ.

I guess thats why there is saying, haters gonna hate.

EDIT: But then again, most of e sports is probably built upon the second attitude.


actually the intelligent way would be "i am glad Naniwa chose to throw away the game because it is meaningless anyway in regard to the tournament and you can't exactly determine the better player based off of a best of 3 series anyway so naniwa actually gave me an hour of my life back"
LeibSaiLeib
Profile Joined October 2010
173 Posts
December 18 2011 12:33 GMT
#917
On December 18 2011 21:29 Slipspace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 21:21 LeibSaiLeib wrote:
reading threads like this allways makes me wonder how can people be so caring of other peoples buisness. You cant assume everyones perfect, just deal with it (or the way YOU want them to be).

The intelligent way:

I am looking fovard to the game, oh Naniwa threw it away, well i guess ill be looking for rematch.

The normal way of doing it :

I am TINGLING I WANA SEE THE GAME, Naniwa threw it away, FUCK THAT; WTF DUDE ASLEJAÖLSKJDASLDJ.

I guess thats why there is saying, haters gonna hate.

EDIT: But then again, most of e sports is probably built upon the second attitude.


actually the intelligent way would be "i am glad Naniwa chose to throw away the game because it is meaningless anyway in regard to the tournament and you can't exactly determine the better player based off of a best of 3 series anyway so naniwa actually gave me an hour of my life back"


Was trying to say, that the intelligent way is not to get emotional over something you have no control over.

But, as knowing the communty is doing it in the second way, you as intelligent human being can calmly think:"I guess he should have played the game, since there is more then just winning to e-sports."
Slipspace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States381 Posts
December 18 2011 12:35 GMT
#918
On December 18 2011 21:33 LeibSaiLeib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 21:29 Slipspace wrote:
On December 18 2011 21:21 LeibSaiLeib wrote:
reading threads like this allways makes me wonder how can people be so caring of other peoples buisness. You cant assume everyones perfect, just deal with it (or the way YOU want them to be).

The intelligent way:

I am looking fovard to the game, oh Naniwa threw it away, well i guess ill be looking for rematch.

The normal way of doing it :

I am TINGLING I WANA SEE THE GAME, Naniwa threw it away, FUCK THAT; WTF DUDE ASLEJAÖLSKJDASLDJ.

I guess thats why there is saying, haters gonna hate.

EDIT: But then again, most of e sports is probably built upon the second attitude.


actually the intelligent way would be "i am glad Naniwa chose to throw away the game because it is meaningless anyway in regard to the tournament and you can't exactly determine the better player based off of a best of 3 series anyway so naniwa actually gave me an hour of my life back"


Was trying to say, that the intelligent way is not to get emotional over something you have no control over.

But, as knowing the communty is doing it in the second way, you as intelligent human being can calmly think:"I guess he should have played the game, since there is more then just winning to e-sports."


sure, if you care about the people who get last, second to last, etc

i sure don't
msl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany477 Posts
December 18 2011 12:37 GMT
#919
On December 18 2011 21:19 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 21:13 msl wrote:
On December 18 2011 20:58 colate wrote:
I doubt NaNiwa meant what he said there. I mean, come on. He makes it sound as if he had a revelation after this incident. Suddenly, out of nowhere, thousands upon thousands of wild fans appear! He isn't that narrow minded? Clearly he must have known that his profession has fans and spectators as its foundation - the reason he even have bread on the table.


I find it fascinating that one the one hand it is considered professional and even expected to be dishonest in the sense that it would have been OK to throw the game in a non-obvious manner but not in an obious one.
However when an appology is issued that might or might not have been crafted by PR professionals we immedeatly start to debatte if the apology is honest and from the heart. Have your cake and eat it too, as it were.

If you value professionalism over personality, here is a nice example of what you ultimately will get: Bland statements and players afraid to be humans instead of entertainment machines. It doesn't matter if the statement is damage control or heartfelt. It is what has been asked for by the community. Lesson learned, as it were, although I have my doubt that it was the right one.


nobody said it was ok to throw game in non-obvious manner, but obviously throwing games in obvious manner is really just sending out a message thinking that you are above everyone else. If you're going to cheat, don't announce to the class while doing it and think that makes you honest and it'll be fine.



Everyone that said "He should have just 4gated and got it over with" essentially says that.

As for cheating, cheating refers to the breaking of rules to gain advantage in a competitive situation. He broke no rules and gained no advantage. So thats not what happened here. Nani threw a meaningless game, something that many consider unprofessional. The difference should be obvious.

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colate
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway121 Posts
December 18 2011 12:38 GMT
#920
On December 18 2011 21:13 msl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 20:58 colate wrote:
I doubt NaNiwa meant what he said there. I mean, come on. He makes it sound as if he had a revelation after this incident. Suddenly, out of nowhere, thousands upon thousands of wild fans appear! He isn't that narrow minded? Clearly he must have known that his profession has fans and spectators as its foundation - the reason he even have bread on the table.


I find it fascinating that one the one hand it is considered professional and even expected to be dishonest in the sense that it would have been OK to throw the game in a non-obvious manner but not in an obious one.
However when an appology is issued that might or might not have been crafted by PR professionals we immedeatly start to debatte if the apology is honest and from the heart. Have your cake and eat it too, as it were.

If you value professionalism over personality, here is a nice example of what you ultimately will get: Bland statements and players afraid to be humans instead of entertainment machines. It doesn't matter if the statement is damage control or heartfelt. It is what has been asked for by the community. Lesson learned, as it were, although I have my doubt that it was the right one.


I guess you are comparing Stephano vs. Brat.OK at Assembly contra NaNiwa vs. Nestea at Blizzard Cup? I am pleased that Quanticgaming and NaNiwa apologized to the community and GomTV, and I am perfectly aware what kind of statements is to be expected. I believe the last part of NaNiwa's apology shows that he is willing to portray himself as a selfish, narrow minded person in order to gain the fans/community's trust. But thats how these statements are, in any kind of sport.
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