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Batssa
United States154 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 18 2011 21:37 msl wrote: Everyone that said "He should have just 4gated and got it over with" essentially says that. As for cheating, cheating refers to the breaking of rules to gain advantage in a competitive situation. He broke no rules and gained no advantage. So thats not what happened here. Nani threw a meaningless game, something that many consider unprofessional. The difference should be obvious. You are only listing one definition of cheating. Cheating is also "To violate rules deliberately", which last I check match fixing is breaking the rule. These terms are not important anyway. Point is be a professional, or at least have the decency to pretend to be one, when playing competitive Starcraft in GSL or face consequences | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 18 2011 21:21 LeibSaiLeib wrote: reading threads like this allways makes me wonder how can people be so caring of other peoples buisness. You cant assume everyones perfect, just deal with it (or the way YOU want them to be). The intelligent way: I am looking fovard to the game, oh Naniwa threw it away, well i guess ill be looking for rematch. The normal way of doing it : I am TINGLING I WANA SEE THE GAME, Naniwa threw it away, FUCK THAT; WTF DUDE ASLEJAÖLSKJDASLDJ. I guess thats why there is saying, haters gonna hate. EDIT: But then again, most of e sports is probably built upon the second attitude. ironically the way you replied is anything but intelligent. | ||
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Learion
Sweden28 Posts
On December 18 2011 21:12 iky43210 wrote: taking away free tickets to gsl code S is a slap on the wrist for what he did. He should have been banned from GSL just like any Korean would've if they pulled the same stunt. This is where we disagree. I can understand people being a bit disappointed but nothing more. | ||
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colate
Norway121 Posts
On December 18 2011 21:21 LeibSaiLeib wrote: reading threads like this allways makes me wonder how can people be so caring of other peoples buisness. You cant assume everyones perfect, just deal with it (or the way YOU want them to be). The intelligent way: I am looking fovard to the game, oh Naniwa threw it away, well i guess ill be looking for rematch. The normal way of doing it : I am TINGLING I WANA SEE THE GAME, Naniwa threw it away, FUCK THAT; WTF DUDE ASLEJAÖLSKJDASLDJ. I guess thats why there is saying, haters gonna hate. EDIT: But then again, most of e sports is probably built upon the second attitude. Dividing a point of view into two groups is to stereotype this community. It all comes down to the norms in the Starcraft II community. There are unwritten rules specifying what behavior are acceptable within this community. But these norms aren't the same as the social norms outside of the starcraft universe. We tolorate to a certain extent bad manners (Idra, NaNiwa) and we also shun it (Combat-EX). We also love and praise players with good manners (Sheth, White-Ra). "GL HF" and "GG" have been incorporated into professional games and ladder games as standard behavior - just like the handshake before and after a football match. What I am trying to say is that the community expect a certain behavior of NaNiwa. The actions NaNiwa took against Nestea did not meet the expectations of the foreign community and certainly not the korean community. His actions were frown upon by the majority of the community - and ultimatly his Code S seed was revoked. Yes - haters gonna hate when the players behavior is unacceptable. All sports is built upon what you call the 'second attitude' - which I call norms. | ||
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
On December 18 2011 22:04 colate wrote: Dividing a point of view into two groups is to stereotype this community. It all comes down to the norms in the Starcraft II community. There are unwritten rules specifying what behavior are acceptable within this community. But these norms aren't the same as the social norms outside of the starcraft universe. We tolorate to a certain extent bad manners (Idra, NaNiwa) and we also shun it (Combat-EX). We also love and praise players with good manners (Sheth, White-Ra). "GL HF" and "GG" have been incorporated into professional games and ladder games as standard behavior - just like the handshake before and after a football match. What I am trying to say is that the community expect a certain behavior of NaNiwa. The actions NaNiwa took against Nestea did not meet the expectations of the foreign community and certainly not the korean community. His actions were frown upon by the majority of the community - and ultimatly his Code S seed was revoked. Yes - haters gonna hate when the players behavior is unacceptable. All sports is built upon what you call the 'second attitude' - which I call norms. "We" tolerate bad manners because people think it's fun. It provides for entertainment while not really hurting anyone. What "we" don't tolerate is when we don't get entertained even though the rules allow it to happen. Bad behavior should be punished by the player's team and not by some tournament organizer. There certainly are instances where I think tournament organizer should punish players. This wasn't one. | ||
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KulterBaun
Sweden44 Posts
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On December 19 2011 01:28 KulterBaun wrote: It was a useless match. Like said in Nanis interview many other players have 6pooled when they wanted to get over the matches in "important" situations. It's just because its Nani no other reason bullshit. They have a chance to win with a 6 pool... he has no chance to win with a worker rush. That is why they are angry. Get over it, it's over. Your discussion isn't gonna change the fact he threw a game and upset GOM and disrespected Nestea and a lot of other ppl. He apologized and I hope you realize that not everything in the world is fair. Nani has learned from a silly mistake, you should too. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On December 19 2011 01:28 KulterBaun wrote: It was a useless match. Like said in Nanis interview many other players have 6pooled when they wanted to get over the matches in "important" situations. It's just because its Nani no other reason bullshit. Because its Nani? How does that even make sense? | ||
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Krejven
Sweden105 Posts
On December 19 2011 01:40 Assirra wrote: Because its Nani? How does that even make sense? I guess we are waiting on Goms apology. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
Having spent some time on PlayXP recently, it's pretty clear that taking his hands off the mouse after A-moving is one of the major bones of contention. The strategy itself was (arguably) throwing the game in its ownright, but to not even control your probes is making a mockery of the game. Every single other player who has been at the GSL has given it their all, and as referenced above, even their giving up wasn't as halfassed. I like Naniwa, but it was a stupid decision what he did, and I'm not surprised or disappointed he got this punishment. Pretty appropriate IMO. | ||
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msl
Germany477 Posts
On December 18 2011 21:45 iky43210 wrote: You are only listing one definition of cheating. Cheating is also "To violate rules deliberately", which last I check match fixing is breaking the rule. These terms are not important anyway. Point is be a professional, or at least have the decency to pretend to be one, when playing competitive Starcraft in GSL or face consequences Yes, and my original point was that now that Naniwa learned that lesson and issued a very professional looking apology (facing the consequences as it were) to GOM and community it is quite disingenious to come after him for "not meaning it". Regarding the definition of cheating, I am pretty sure the common definition of cheating includes that the cheater (or a benifivcary) gains an advantage. Or is anybody breaking a rule a cheater? | ||
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eXeJJu
Switzerland55 Posts
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RHMVNovus
United States738 Posts
On December 19 2011 01:34 Utinni wrote: They have a chance to win with a 6 pool... he has no chance to win with a worker rush. That is why they are angry. Get over it, it's over. Your discussion isn't gonna change the fact he threw a game and upset GOM and disrespected Nestea and a lot of other ppl. He apologized and I hope you realize that not everything in the world is fair. Nani has learned from a silly mistake, you should too. *raise eyebrow* Interesting justification for what GOM did. I actually kind of like it. 'There is little to no recourse for GOM doing this, so they should do it.' It's so unabashedly Machiavellian. I love it. That's the sort of thing that drove me to be interested in History. Movements of troops? Meh, that's boring. Power relations? Delicious. | ||
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quRax
Korea (South)264 Posts
On December 19 2011 01:40 Assirra wrote: Because its Nani? How does that even make sense? KulterBaun is Swedish, that's how it makes sense.(To him) Anyways, nice to see a grown up comment from Naniwa. Just hope we can get this out of the way. | ||
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AxeHero
Australia8 Posts
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LeibSaiLeib
173 Posts
On December 18 2011 21:47 iky43210 wrote: ironically the way you replied is anything but intelligent. On December 19 2011 01:14 Ravomat wrote: "We" tolerate bad manners because people think it's fun. It provides for entertainment while not really hurting anyone. What "we" don't tolerate is when we don't get entertained even though the rules allow it to happen. Bad behavior should be punished by the player's team and not by some tournament organizer. There certainly are instances where I think tournament organizer should punish players. This wasn't one. Wrote a long reply, but deleted it. Guess i just fell for human desire to argue and shine in a pointless topic wich i cant add anything, wasting my time and other peoples time (like most of the people here lol). | ||
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Chinchillin
United States259 Posts
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whereyouat
United States65 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:09 KAkos MAgos wrote: well dont apologize. idra ragequits and is badmannered too and no one says something. GOMTV is being sillly with its descision. comon. ITS A GAME WTF. thank go we are not like the koreans and take that whole gaming thing so seriously. I love the way you said that. And where you said that as well. I mean sure on some internet forums, SC's just a game. But on TL, it's a lifestyle. Think about the audience before making amazingly judgmental comments please.  | ||
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