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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 16:55:13
December 15 2011 16:54 GMT
#841
The key word here is "PROFESSIONAL".

Which implies certain, rigid, and unbreakable standards.

What NaNiwa did violated the said standards.

In reality, many of us view SC2 as a simple entertainment, not to be compared with major league sports.

In Western culture, we accept individualism and even applaud it. But the Koreans are attempting to raise the bar higher, building up a true professional scene. Hence, NaNiwa's behavior was in violation of the Korean cause and deserved punishment to deter similar incidents.
Skyreaper
Profile Joined December 2011
70 Posts
December 15 2011 16:56 GMT
#842
On December 16 2011 01:34 Master_Blaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 01:03 Velr wrote:
On December 16 2011 00:44 Moxi wrote:
On December 16 2011 00:27 Boonbag wrote:
lol you guys really don't realise how bad what he did is

these games are on T.V. - people invest money to run these shows !


Yeah that's the thing, why do they have this system if matches turn meaningless and players won't play their best?


Simple:
A game between two professional gamers that is shown on TV is NEVER, EVER meaningless.


And has meaning according to whom? What is the standard. Stephano and Naniwa want tourney wins not TV spots. Who are you do tell them how to think about StarCraft? For them it's a tool not an altar.

Well, NaNiwa also agreed that there is no such thing as meaningless game between two professional gamers in eSports. So What's your point?
Elizar
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany431 Posts
December 15 2011 17:11 GMT
#843
On December 16 2011 01:53 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 01:49 Elizar wrote:
Ah, by the way: Naniwa apologized, which is the right thing to do from a diplomatic standpoint (although I don´t think that was neccessary, I can accept that). However, did GomTV apologized for the twitter-message calling him an amateur? If that would be the case please tell me, so I do not make false assumptions.

If you mean the money hunter thing that was a mistranslation.

thank you, this is good to know. so no apology is needed there.
MrLion
Profile Joined December 2010
India93 Posts
December 15 2011 17:14 GMT
#844
I'm glad Naniwa got punished for it. There is so much effort required to organise the tournament, and to run the show in the studio, and Naniwa just makes a big joke out of it. Plus, it was a tournament to end a great year of Starcraft.
I'm shocked how people can actually say he did nothing wrong. I guess it really is a difference of culture.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46503 Posts
December 15 2011 17:14 GMT
#845
Very smart of Quantic and Naniwa to issue an apology. And it was a good apology at that.

Shit happens. We'll get over it. It was one game.

Apology accepted. Best of luck to everyone in the future. Please don't do it again.

Love you guys ♥
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 17:22:55
December 15 2011 17:21 GMT
#846
Two things. That apology wasn't written by Naniwa and I've said countless of times 'I hope he'll learn from this' when Naniwa had screwed up in both SC2 and WC3, and he never did. I won't do that again, Naniwa will never change.
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
December 15 2011 17:25 GMT
#847
On December 16 2011 02:21 Longshank wrote:
Two things. That apology wasn't written by Naniwa and I've said countless of times 'I hope he'll learn from this' when Naniwa had screwed up in both SC2 and WC3, and he never did. I won't do that again, Naniwa will never change.



The words above were taken directly from NaNi through dictation


Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 17:32:46
December 15 2011 17:30 GMT
#848
On December 16 2011 02:25 Vardant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 02:21 Longshank wrote:
Two things. That apology wasn't written by Naniwa and I've said countless of times 'I hope he'll learn from this' when Naniwa had screwed up in both SC2 and WC3, and he never did. I won't do that again, Naniwa will never change.



Show nested quote +
The words above were taken directly from NaNi through dictation




edit: nm, Im an idiot. Nothing to see here.
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
December 15 2011 17:30 GMT
#849
Actions speak louder than words. The coming months will show if he actually learned anything from this or not. It's unfortunate that something like this had to happen for him to understand his status as an eSports start and what exactly that entails. You don't have to be a pillar of virtue (e.g. Idra [see what I did there? ] ) but you do need to carry yourself in such a fashion that yourself, your team, and your sponsors can continue to take pride in you as a player.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
December 15 2011 17:41 GMT
#850
he should apologize for his action but not for breaking any rules. GOM needs to step up it's professionalism by having a easily interpreted rule set.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
ArneX
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden24 Posts
December 15 2011 17:43 GMT
#851
Once an ass, always an ass. No apology will change that.
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
December 15 2011 17:46 GMT
#852
dude it's a non-written rule. Everyone knows you can't do that. Stop blaming GOM
@ggmonx
Skyreaper
Profile Joined December 2011
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 17:49:36
December 15 2011 17:48 GMT
#853
On December 16 2011 02:41 archonOOid wrote:
he should apologize for his action but not for breaking any rules. GOM needs to step up it's professionalism by having a easily interpreted rule set.

GOM already said that Nani didn't break any rules (technically). But it's clear that he disrespected his opponent Nestea and the sponsors that previously considered to give sponsor seed to Nani for Code S while being televised to thousands of people.
Falconpauunch
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (South)59 Posts
December 15 2011 17:49 GMT
#854
I feel as if GOMtv will forgive Naniwa, along with a lot of the korean starcraft 2 pros, but the decision will not change. There may still be some trash talk underneath the surface, because of how e-sports is still growing, but it's a great step in the right direction, and if Naniwa is sincere about this, then my respect for him has grown much bigger.
:)
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
December 15 2011 17:50 GMT
#855
On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote:
I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time.


because in soccer icehockey and all other sports there are only very adult gentlemen ...

guys if i hear you all i think this is like murderer and in soccer someone hit another guy in their balls or smash their faces ...
dont overreact to such little things ....

in worldchampionship teams play shit cause they dont care (already trough or WANT 2nd place etc) you expect best games and sometiems you see shit and unfair plays and fouls only ...

you guys sometimes do like starcraft is the only buisness that is not 100% legit adult
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
December 15 2011 17:52 GMT
#856
nice statement i hope we can now finally get over what happened and close the 100000 threads that exist about this topic with people raging
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Skyreaper
Profile Joined December 2011
70 Posts
December 15 2011 17:56 GMT
#857
On December 16 2011 02:49 Falconpauunch wrote:
I feel as if GOMtv will forgive Naniwa, along with a lot of the korean starcraft 2 pros, but the decision will not change. There may still be some trash talk underneath the surface, because of how e-sports is still growing, but it's a great step in the right direction, and if Naniwa is sincere about this, then my respect for him has grown much bigger.

Idra and Sen already received sponsor seed for Code S, but fans can still cheer NaNiwa to get a good result in GSL preleminary.
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
December 15 2011 18:02 GMT
#858
On December 16 2011 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Very smart of Quantic and Naniwa to issue an apology. And it was a good apology at that.

Shit happens. We'll get over it. It was one game.

Apology accepted. Best of luck to everyone in the future. Please don't do it again.

Love you guys ♥


This guy is what is wrong with this situation. Everyone in the entire universe is just willing to accept a forced apology and then sit on it, yet every month some different bull shit is coming up. And then we get another forced apology and everyone is happy again. How long can this keep up? Is it really okay to give someone who's obviously having a near impossible time of meeting the standards that his title implies 500 extra chances? The line needs to be drawn somewhere.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
December 15 2011 18:02 GMT
#859
I respect how Quantic and Nani are taking this. I only wish he thought about this beforehand. I've wanted to see him play in GSL for so long, and I know how much he wanted it. But now thats ruined(for the time being).
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
December 15 2011 18:35 GMT
#860
Could anyone be kind enough to translate the comments from the koreans on the korean version of this on playxp? I'm rather curious what they think of this apology. Do they still hold a grudge or do they see it as it is, a clash of cultures?
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