EPTNaniwa Interview - Blizzard Cup Group B - Page 45
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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LittleAtari
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:15 LittleAtari wrote: i dont hold anything against Naniwa. They shouldn't have made them play a worthless game. That's like making the players play the third game in BO3 when the other guy has already won the series 2-0 Exactly. If you want to watch high level starcraft, watch the earlier games. If you want to watch naniwa dance around like a monkey for your entertainment, well, he's not going to do that, tough shit nerds. | ||
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
My respect to Naniwa. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
and not only that, it's just his attitude every nani interview i've seen his attitude is just unproffessional and just someone i dislike. you wouldn't see whitera, tlo, or huk do what naniwa did. you'd see them mothership rush or bc rush or do something cool for the fans or entertaining. and i'm not expecting naniwa to do that, i'm just stating that what i saw is something i don't like in a starcraft pro and don't care to be a fan of. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:45 bmn wrote: I call BS on this. I'll repeat it just to make clear how ridiculous your claim is: You think Naniwa on tilt is not capable of giving a better game than a-moving probes? Seriously? If you think Naniwa is that bad, I wonder how you explain him getting this far. Any attempt to play a game would have been a much better game for viewers than this. It is clear that he was on tilt, and he would not play his A-game simply because he could not, he was not in the mental state for it. But neither was Nestea. He also deprived Nestea of a chance to redeem himself somewhat after going 0-3. He deprived his sponsors of a lot of goodwill for picking up Naniwa from CoL. He clearly didn't earn Quantic a lot of sympathy in the Korean community. All of this matters; Starcraft 2 as an esport is a spectator sport. If this were an uncasted game in some weekly tournament, then it would not matter much. This was on stage, against Nestea, at a high-profile event. It does matter. The rest of your post is internally inconsistent. You claim it doesn't matter; if it didn't matter, people wouldn't be so vocal about it, would they? If you ask viewers to pay money to watch, the content you're offering them does matter to them. Hell, this website is about esports, how could you say people losing respect for a player does not matter? If it doesn't matter, what is the point of having a community, having fan clubs, following player careers? If many fans lose respect for him, and it's fans who make the community, how can you honestly say that this does not matter? He doesn't owe Nestea anything and probably doesn't want to play him in a match with zero possible outcome, or even a negative one (if Nani wins, Nestea can say he didn't play seriously, everyone will believe it, if Nani loses, it's a hit to his self confidence). Maybe it's a cultural mistake to refuse to play in Korea. Well, if you've been living abroad, you know that you learn a lot about the country you've moved to...by doing mistakes of all kinds before you assimilate a new culture, and maybe he didn't expect this to be such a big thing. We're pretty far from the korean match fixing and other kind of ugly stuff we've been told about the past few months. From what I read, Nani's long road to Korea has been bumpy on many levels, maybe people could cut him some slack and focus on some of his qualities as a player instead of focusing on a point of detail, almost no one has been discussing his first three games today, which were in my opinion quite close and entertaining. He doesn't owe GSL anything either but to play by their rule - which he did (name ONE tournament rule he broke ?). If they want to make him play matches he has no interest in, he's not their slave and doesn't have to. It should be up to GSL/GOM, as someone mentioned before, to provide viewers with matches of interest (pride, money, whatever...this one had none to offer) He doesn't owe viewers anything, he's no entertainer à la Hulk Hogan. It seems he's there to prove to himself (and to us) that he can beat the best players in the world AND make money out of it therefore it's his right not to be interested in "fun" matches - and neither am I to be honest, for the same reasons I don't watch friendly matches on TV, whatever the sport. You don't ask a football player to come back after he's lost an important match to juggle for 10 minutes in front of you and create a shitstorm if the guy refuses. As for Qantic, I'd be surprised if they had signed him not knowing what they were doing/that these kind of "accidents" could happen, if they're smart at PR and communication, just like EG people are, they're gonna do the smart thing and turn this into something positive ($) for them. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:19 fourColo wrote: Exactly. If you want to watch high level starcraft, watch the earlier games. If you want to watch naniwa dance around like a monkey for your entertainment, well, he's not going to do that, tough shit nerds. You're missing the point... it's not like Naniwa didn't know the format beforehand. He was definitely aware that there was a possibility he would have to play a 4th/5th place match. If he didn't want to play a match with relatively meaningless outcome, then he shouldn't have participated in this tournament. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:24 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote: no longer a naniwa fan after watching that. i don't pay 100 dollars to watch something i can see in bronze league I guess watching NesTea hold a heartless 4Gate would be of great benefit to you, get you into Gold perhaps? | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:06 KoRStarvid wrote: Your logic is failing. There was no money on the line in that game. Nothing to gain. I sure as hell wouldnt work an extra hour if I wasn't getting paid for it, and Naniwa seems to see it that way too. Your logic is failing. You said that "if it goes down a certain way, you'll have to work for free". That is not correct, there was no way in which he would have to work for free, he just had his pay assured in advance. There is no increase in pay for playing well, but he is not working for free. Also, he does have a lot to gain outside the tournament: Peer approval, new fans, new sponsors. All of this matters, especially given that he was already complaining of feeling isolated in Korea, so making ties there would have certainly not hurt him in the long run. Think about it: If you were a professional freelancer, I'd be paying you to deliver whatever our contract specifies. You can either work hard and try to meet the implicit requirements regarding quality of work, etc. (the specifics of which depend entirely on the industry you are in), or you can just be a lazy slob and give me whatever meets the letter of our contract and takes the least amount of time to slap together. Nobody says that you're breaking the law if you do the latter. But people are certainly right in saying that you are unprofessional. You'll still get paid for fulfilling the contract, but you are depriving yourself of future income by delivering low-quality work that does not meet the minimal expectations. He's a pro gamer, nothing more, nothing less. That statement doesn't add any value at all. Note that his team expects him to deliver entertaining games. See the Quantic statement I quoted earlier. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:30 ZAiNs wrote: I guess watching NesTea hold a heartless 4Gate would be of great benefit to you, get you into Gold perhaps? i'm actually a masters league player, but that doesn't matter so i'm not sure why you'd come at my rank. what matters is that whitera, tlo, huk, BOXER.. these players would never do something like this, these players are players that would show the fans something interesing, a mothership rush, a bc rush, nuke rush... something for the fans just because that's who they are... i'm not taking anything away from him in the fact that some people don't consider him a pro or shouldn't let him play in the gsl, i'm just stating that what he did is not something i'd like to watch, and not someone who i am a fan of and it's because of this. just no heart and no manner. | ||
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RastaMonsta
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Ripps
Canada97 Posts
It's the same for GSL viewers and GomTV. If we want e-sports to evolve in a way that is as professional as the pro-sports model, we have to expect better from out players. | ||
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SuperNinja
Canada33 Posts
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zakmaa
Canada525 Posts
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Paladia
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SlaveboyZerg
Sweden9 Posts
Hail Naniwa and hail Sweden for bringing us this kind of top notch radical action. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:33 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote: i'm actually a masters league player, but that doesn't matter so i'm not sure why you'd come at my rank. what matters is that whitera, tlo, huk, BOXER.. these players would never do something like this, these players are players that would show the fans something interesing, a mothership rush, a bc rush, nuke rush... something for the fans just because that's who they are... i'm not taking anything away from him in the fact that some people don't consider him a pro or shouldn't let him play in the gsl, i'm just stating that what he did is not something i'd like to watch, and not someone who i am a fan of and it's because of this. just no heart and no manner. So you would have been happy watching Naniwa do a 'bronze' 4gate? | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:33 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote: i'm actually a masters league player, but that doesn't matter so i'm not sure why you'd come at my rank. what matters is that whitera, tlo, huk, BOXER.. these players would never do something like this, these players are players that would show the fans something interesing, a mothership rush, a bc rush, nuke rush... something for the fans just because that's who they are... i'm not taking anything away from him in the fact that some people don't consider him a pro or shouldn't let him play in the gsl, i'm just stating that what he did is not something i'd like to watch, and not someone who i am a fan of and it's because of this. just no heart and no manner. So basically u didn't like the way he threw the game? What makes mothership rushing, bc rushing or nuke rushing any different? It's amazing how less shit would've been given to Naniwa if he had done some other stupid all-in tht wasn't a probe rush. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:25 Eurekastreet wrote: He doesn't owe Nestea anything and probably doesn't want to play him in a match with zero possible outcome, or even a negative one (if Nani wins, Nestea can say he didn't play seriously, everyone will believe it, if Nani loses, it's a hit to his self confidence). Maybe it's a cultural mistake to refuse to play in Korea. Well, if you've been living abroad, you know that you learn a lot about the country you've moved to...by doing mistakes of all kinds before you assimilate a new culture, and maybe he didn't expect this to be such a big thing. We're pretty far from the korean match fixing and other kind of ugly stuff we've been told about the past few months. From what I read, Nani's long road to Korea has been bumpy on many levels, maybe people could cut him some slack and focus on some of his qualities as a player instead of focusing on a point of detail, almost no one has been discussing his first three games today, which were in my opinion quite close and entertaining. He doesn't owe GSL anything either but to play by their rule - which he did (name ONE tournament rule he broke ?). If they want to make him play matches he has no interest in, he's not their slave and doesn't have to. It should be up to GSL/GOM, as someone mentioned before, to provide viewers with matches of interest (pride, money, whatever...this one had none to offer) He doesn't owe viewers anything, he's no entertainer à la Hulk Hogan. It seems he's there to prove to himself (and to us) that he can beat the best players in the world AND make money out of it therefore it's his right not to be interested in "fun" matches - and neither am I to be honest, for the same reasons I don't watch friendly matches on TV, whatever the sport. You don't ask a football player to come back after he's lost an important match to juggle for 10 minutes in front of you and create a shitstorm if the guy refuses. As for Qantic, I'd be surprised if they had signed him not knowing what they were doing/that these kind of "accidents" could happen, if they're smart at PR and communication, just like EG people are, they're gonna do the smart thing and turn this into something positive ($) for them. Did they ask him to juggle after the game? No. He didn't play the game. They do ask football players to play games even if they half-ass them (4 gate, VR allin, proxy 2 gate) because it's end of the season and the game doesn't matter. You don't think people would be pissed if a team or player simply left the field after a couple of minutes in a meaningless game? Naniwa's long road has been bumpy because of himself. He needs to work on it, but he hasn't. | ||
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Beavo
Canada293 Posts
I will never cheer for Naniwa ever again, this was just pathetic. Starcraft will never be taken seriously when you see things like this. No other competitive sport worth watching would accept something like this, so why should we? I expect a certain level of professionalism, this was just a joke. Naniwa let his fans down, every one that was watching, his team, his sponsors. Don't even know what else to say but to repeat myself, this was just pathetic. | ||
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