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Naniwa Interview - Blizzard Cup Group B - Page 47

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babo213
Profile Joined January 2011
United States266 Posts
December 13 2011 23:22 GMT
#921
I wonder if Naniwa will throw games if he's in up & down matches if he can't make it into code s
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 23:24:42
December 13 2011 23:24 GMT
#922
On December 14 2011 07:55 gulati wrote:
Anybody giving shit to Naniwa for not playing a match which he had absolutely ZERO need to perform well in should shut the fuck up. Go look at the All Star games that were played when GSL hit its 1 year anniversary. Were any of THOSE games serious? Why did you not give shit to players then, and when HuK played "seriously" against NesTea and beat him, Koreans had the nerve to say that HuK was trying too hard...!?

Seriously. Hypocritical as fuck. Naniwa, you did the right thing, and I would have honestly been upset to see you half-assing a game, which would somehow even out the so-called rivalry between you and NesTea.


Nope, it was pretty much just NesTea, and he did it in a joking manner. The rest were TL bandwagoners.

I see this more and more lately, which is people somehow conflating what some random TL poster says with what Koreans say or think. I don't know why it is, but it's fucking getting on my nerves.
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 23:37:39
December 13 2011 23:25 GMT
#923
I was disappointed. I also think it is very disrespectful to hand Nestea a win like this. I don't understand why so many guys are so soft to him. The result of that match didn't matter so it would be okay if he did something risky or fun. But showing that magnitude of BM and that kind of disrespect to both the opponent as well as the fans should not go unsanctioned.

Professionals have standards. Or should have. It's not only about the outcome. While he had no chance to get into the playoffs, he still could have try to finish the group stage at 4th place. If he doesn't really care about that, he not only lacks the right attitude, he also is a disgrace to televised matches.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
dqrull
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden64 Posts
December 13 2011 23:27 GMT
#924
I support naNi, fuck the hating politically correct whimps. Human emotions affecting things just make it more interesting.

And yea, people like drama, bawwwww.
ander
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada403 Posts
December 13 2011 23:29 GMT
#925
It was disrespectful; if nani just did what he'd said and 4gated, there would have been no problem.

And even then, the "problem" is blown fucking 100x out of proportion, and it's just mongering hate towards naniwa. I want to see him go tear up Code-A even more after this incident. The story is whats creating a joke out of esports, not the action itself. Pretty stupid.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
December 13 2011 23:29 GMT
#926
On December 14 2011 08:22 babo213 wrote:
I wonder if Naniwa will throw games if he's in up & down matches if he can't make it into code s


Well, if there is a 0% chance he will make it in then yes he won't, but that can't happen in the up and down matches due to the format.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 13 2011 23:29 GMT
#927
On December 14 2011 08:14 XIJABERWALKIX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 08:06 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 14 2011 07:49 XIJABERWALKIX wrote:
Naniwa has shown time and time again that the only thing he cares about is winning and making money. He cares nothing of furthering the sport. You should never visibly "stop-trying" in a professional/televised match. However to be fair, he is correct. If he would have 4 gated, nothing would have been said.

Examples please?


In any sport, you have players you attach yourself to. Everyone has a player they love. They love them because they perform well, or they are cocky, or reserved, etc. However the reason you love them is the same, they play. Players like TO (NFL) and people who make drama can do so because football is big enough to support people who make drama. eSports is still in the beginning stages of popularity where there aren't exactly sponsors bidding for your market. We have to create the market. We have to show that when games don't matter we can still bring in the numbers. Football and every other big sport do it every season and that's why they're big. Because even when it doesn't matter people watch. That's how well make eSports bigger and better and more popular in the big picture.

You haven't given me any examples of Naniwa showing he only cares about money.
ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 23:35:29
December 13 2011 23:30 GMT
#928
It's ok nani, you're still awesome.

Seriously, the people who are bitching are all just butt hurt people who only care about their entertainment and not.the programmers
n Y n
Profile Joined June 2011
United States24 Posts
December 13 2011 23:30 GMT
#929
Complete bullshit answer about the Nestea game, not giving the viewers what they paid for? I'm sure he has done that with his probe rush, for sure everyone would pay to see that one.
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
December 13 2011 23:30 GMT
#930
On December 14 2011 07:55 gulati wrote:
Anybody giving shit to Naniwa for not playing a match which he had absolutely ZERO need to perform well in should shut the fuck up. Go look at the All Star games that were played when GSL hit its 1 year anniversary. Were any of THOSE games serious? Why did you not give shit to players then, and when HuK played "seriously" against NesTea and beat him, Koreans had the nerve to say that HuK was trying too hard...!?

Seriously. Hypocritical as fuck. Naniwa, you did the right thing, and I would have honestly been upset to see you half-assing a game, which would somehow even out the so-called rivalry between you and NesTea.


Oh god I forgot all about this. This makes the "Naniwa should have disingenuously tried" arguments all the more moronic.
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
December 13 2011 23:30 GMT
#931
Quick interview... it revealed more about the situation.. but I mean he is right in the fact he would have just 4gated and it would have been the same thing
j3i
Profile Joined February 2011
United States357 Posts
December 13 2011 23:38 GMT
#932
"People are just hating because it's me who did it"
"Koreans need to stop making a big deal out of everything"

Statements like this are the problem. You aren't making yourself look any more professional by pretending to be the victim or placing your beliefs above that of an entire culture's.

What he actually did was not a big issue. I think reactions were overblown but an interview like this certainly won't make things any better for Naniwa.
I am an idiot who knows only about gaming, so there is nothing private to talk about to begin with. - Bisu
h0oTiS
Profile Joined January 2011
United States101 Posts
December 13 2011 23:39 GMT
#933
people take this too seriously, you can do anything you want, why should he have do do something in a game that has no affect on him or the opponent
The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference
ShatterStorm
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia146 Posts
December 13 2011 23:42 GMT
#934
Think of those tourney at the Grand Final BO7 stage where one player wins the first 4 matches straight, with each game averaging ~30 minutes of rock solid play.

They have just played 2 hours of very intense games bringing all their focus and their best strategies to the table, and one of the players has already won it hands down.

Do they force the other 3 games to be played regardless of the fact that the outcome is a forgone conclusion, the players are likely tired, and the viewers have already witnessed 2 hours worth of very satisfying play ?

So why should GOM have even bothered with the match if Naniwa didn't really feel up to the game ?
It would have just been a waste of time for the players and the staff of GOM to deal with. Plus forgetting about the pointless match would have allowed the other games to start earlier, thus not making the day as long for them (affecting their levels of tiredness)
Do or do not, there is no try
ChowChillaCharlie
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden677 Posts
December 13 2011 23:44 GMT
#935
On December 14 2011 08:38 j3i wrote:
"People are just hating because it's me who did it"
"Koreans need to stop making a big deal out of everything"

Statements like this are the problem. You aren't making yourself look any more professional by pretending to be the victim or placing your beliefs above that of an entire culture's. .

Well he ain't lying, if anything he's pretty much spot on.
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
December 13 2011 23:46 GMT
#936
They should set up a Naniwa vs Nestea Bo7 for 1000 bucks. I bet with all this hype a ton of people would watch it.... Like a metric fuck-ton.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
December 13 2011 23:46 GMT
#937
It's honestly pathetic that people are getting so butthurt about a meaningless game. If MC had probe-rushed DRG then I would understand an uproar like this, but the games were completely pointless, Naniwa was understandably in a shitty mood, and it honestly comes back to the horrible 10x BO1 format that GomTV insists on using for practically everything.
Chrysalis.145
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
December 13 2011 23:46 GMT
#938
I support him, if there was a money difference in going 4th or 5th in the group, he might have actually tried, but there wasn't. What's the point in playing seriously if it doesn't mean anything? Also, probes are pretty good, they have those quick regenerating shields :D
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daRyo
Profile Joined September 2010
4 Posts
December 13 2011 23:46 GMT
#939
As a viewer I was disappointed and little angry when I saw that probes running down. I dont want to experience anything similar while watching GSL. He should be sanctioned, but more as a 'warning'. Essentially he did not do any real harm. It is more of a 'respect' thing. Banning him from gsl for any amount of time is an overreaction.

Equally important is his interview I just finished reading. I really liked Naniwa. I understand he was bittered, angry and disappointed in his play. But I just realized he is childish, conceited, spoiled and self-oriented. He is unaware of what he has done. I am sorry because of it. I hope he will find a right way dealing with this situation, overcome it and get the best out of it.



tlin
Profile Joined December 2011
25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 23:49:17
December 13 2011 23:48 GMT
#940
On December 14 2011 08:38 j3i wrote:
"People are just hating because it's me who did it"
"Koreans need to stop making a big deal out of everything"

Statements like this are the problem.

It's true though. Naniwa attracts hate for small things because he's already disliked by many. And he was long before he opened his mouth, people were already shouting shit about his WC3 career when he first won MLG.
How many other players don't get shit for throwing games that actually matter?
Just look at Stephano or IdrA. Hell even Koreans like HerO just a day ago.

Now this time it became larger than usual because of the vocal minority among TL-goers that worship the ground Koreans walk on and think they can do no wrong. Even back just a while ago when every person who hanged on IdrA's every word hated anyone who cheesed they made an exception for the ultra-gosu Koreans like MC when he 4-gated every game.
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