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On December 14 2011 06:59 TyrionSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Fuck it. I'll be the epic naniwa supporter. Who other progamer would have the NERVES to 7 probe rush Nestea? No one. not a single fucking person on this godforsaken piece of shit earth, EXCEPT naniwa. Just imagine the amount of pure cajones it takes to do something like that. Naniwa was staring down the barrel of one of the greatest zerg player in the world, and all he did was spit in his face. Seriously, who else would've done something so ballsy? Damn it Naniwa, you're the best!
Naniwa HWAITING! Once again, I could agree with this, if he microed. You hype it up as if he tried really hard and did some amazing act of courage. Is it courageous to say fuck it I'm probe rushing and taking my hands off the keyboard? That's being a coward giving up saying it doesn't matter so I'll just waste everybody's time and bring them down with me. What a hero.
The same amount of effort it takes to spit at your soon to be murderer. You're gunna lose, might as well make it lulzies.
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On December 14 2011 06:54 KoRStarvid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:48 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:44 KoRStarvid wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 rysecake wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 DrJohnFever wrote:
To be honest, you see this all the time in pro sports. Will the Packers, if they are 14-1 going into their last game, start all their top level players and play simply for the fans? No, because the game simply doesn't matter, and the outcome doesn't matter either. People can chill out. You're only seeing this from a westerners perspective. Try not being ignorant for once. Well, Naniwa isn't korean, and he never will be. They had Naniwa play a game which had no money on the line at all, and it doesn't matter then if the koreans expect gamers to be entertainers, cause at that moment (from Naniwas point of view) that game had nothing to do with Naniwa being a pro gamer. Naniwa wants to earn an income playing games, GSL had him play even though he wouldn't get one buck for it. guess where he's playing Korea. Guess who's in korea Koreans. Guess you have to deal with their ideals then, seriously. And why is that? GSL basically invites Naniwa to the tournament and then say "But if it goes down a certain way, you'll have to work for free". GSL wants to be international, well don't screw with international players then.
uhh if a player chooses not to play his game as Naniwa did then he doesnt deserve that portion of his money at the very least.
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On December 14 2011 06:54 KoRStarvid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:48 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:44 KoRStarvid wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 rysecake wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 DrJohnFever wrote:
To be honest, you see this all the time in pro sports. Will the Packers, if they are 14-1 going into their last game, start all their top level players and play simply for the fans? No, because the game simply doesn't matter, and the outcome doesn't matter either. People can chill out. You're only seeing this from a westerners perspective. Try not being ignorant for once. Well, Naniwa isn't korean, and he never will be. They had Naniwa play a game which had no money on the line at all, and it doesn't matter then if the koreans expect gamers to be entertainers, cause at that moment (from Naniwas point of view) that game had nothing to do with Naniwa being a pro gamer. Naniwa wants to earn an income playing games, GSL had him play even though he wouldn't get one buck for it. guess where he's playing Korea. Guess who's in korea Koreans. Guess you have to deal with their ideals then, seriously. And why is that? GSL basically invites Naniwa to the tournament and then say "But if it goes down a certain way, you'll have to work for free". GSL wants to be international, well don't screw with international players then.
And he knew that was a possibility beforehand and agreed to it, then shit all over GOM and everyone watching. Really embarrassing and childish, although I kind of expect it from Naniwa at this point.
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The fact that the match shouldn't have been played is completely tangental. It has absolutely no bearing on whether or not somebody should show common decency and a smidge of professionalism in what is a basically a show match everybody wants to see.
Also, everybody saying people are only mad because it is Naniwa, he hasn't earned anything but disdain for his actions. He has been a terribly unprofessional player in tournaments and on teams.
If he wants people to stop blaming him just b/c it's him, then maybe he should stop doing stupid shit?
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I don't think it's such a big deal really... I wanna see Naniwa play his best. So I don't mind him leaving. It's not fun to see a player that u cheer for have nothing to win in a set of games. Boring to watch almost 
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On December 14 2011 06:47 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:45 tuho12345 wrote:On December 14 2011 06:43 KristianJS wrote:
Did GOM make an announcement yet? Announcement about what? That was his gameplan, he didn't break any rule. How could they punish him??? they were actually apparently thinking of punishing him actually at least from what Wolf's twitter said iirc? -_- so yes they can
He broke as much of a rule as Coya or Coca did, the Koreans seem to like the phrase "think, before you act".
Personally, I don't really care whether they punish Naniwa because it wasn't a good thing morally what he did. Gom already showed that they are applying double standards regarding whether to punish players or not, so in that regard they are in no position to preach to the players. So... meh, I could care less.
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On December 14 2011 07:01 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:59 TyrionSC2 wrote:On December 14 2011 06:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Fuck it. I'll be the epic naniwa supporter. Who other progamer would have the NERVES to 7 probe rush Nestea? No one. not a single fucking person on this godforsaken piece of shit earth, EXCEPT naniwa. Just imagine the amount of pure cajones it takes to do something like that. Naniwa was staring down the barrel of one of the greatest zerg player in the world, and all he did was spit in his face. Seriously, who else would've done something so ballsy? Damn it Naniwa, you're the best!
Naniwa HWAITING! Once again, I could agree with this, if he microed. You hype it up as if he tried really hard and did some amazing act of courage. Is it courageous to say fuck it I'm probe rushing and taking my hands off the keyboard? That's being a coward giving up saying it doesn't matter so I'll just waste everybody's time and bring them down with me. What a hero. The same amount of effort it takes to spit at your soon to be murderer. You're gunna lose, might as well make it lulzies.
more lulzy things to do than worker rushing.
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On December 14 2011 06:59 bmn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:54 KoRStarvid wrote:On December 14 2011 06:48 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:44 KoRStarvid wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 rysecake wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 DrJohnFever wrote:
To be honest, you see this all the time in pro sports. Will the Packers, if they are 14-1 going into their last game, start all their top level players and play simply for the fans? No, because the game simply doesn't matter, and the outcome doesn't matter either. People can chill out. You're only seeing this from a westerners perspective. Try not being ignorant for once. Well, Naniwa isn't korean, and he never will be. They had Naniwa play a game which had no money on the line at all, and it doesn't matter then if the koreans expect gamers to be entertainers, cause at that moment (from Naniwas point of view) that game had nothing to do with Naniwa being a pro gamer. Naniwa wants to earn an income playing games, GSL had him play even though he wouldn't get one buck for it. guess where he's playing Korea. Guess who's in korea Koreans. Guess you have to deal with their ideals then, seriously. And why is that? GSL basically invites Naniwa to the tournament and then say "But if it goes down a certain way, you'll have to work for free". GSL wants to be international, well don't screw with international players then. Wrong. Naniwa received prize money.
Your logic is failing. There was no money on the line in that game. Nothing to gain. I sure as hell wouldnt work an extra hour if I wasn't getting paid for it, and Naniwa seems to see it that way too. He's a pro gamer, nothing more, nothing less.
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On December 14 2011 06:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Fuck it. I'll be the epic naniwa supporter. Who other progamer would have the NERVES to 7 probe rush Nestea? No one. not a single fucking person on this godforsaken piece of shit earth, EXCEPT naniwa. Just imagine the amount of pure cajones it takes to do something like that. Naniwa was staring down the barrel of one of the greatest zerg player in the world, and all he did was spit in his face. Seriously, who else would've done something so ballsy? Damn it Naniwa, you're the best!
Naniwa HWAITING!
lol what naniwa did has nothing to do with cojones or ballsy? If he got his shit together and played an entertaining game for the fans then I would call him a progamer. Wouldnt be surprised about another announcement soon that Startale players refuse to practise with him and he whines again. what an idiot.
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On December 14 2011 07:05 Runar_121 wrote:I don't think it's such a big deal really... I wanna see Naniwa play his best. So I don't mind him leaving. It's not fun to see a player that u cheer for have nothing to win in a set of games. Boring to watch almost
do you like watching progamers stream ladder or stream practice games?
because Uhm.
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On December 14 2011 07:05 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:47 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:45 tuho12345 wrote:On December 14 2011 06:43 KristianJS wrote:
Did GOM make an announcement yet? Announcement about what? That was his gameplan, he didn't break any rule. How could they punish him??? they were actually apparently thinking of punishing him actually at least from what Wolf's twitter said iirc? -_- so yes they can He broke as much of a rule as Coya or Coca did, the Koreans seem to like the phrase "think, before you act". Personally, I don't really care whether they punish Naniwa because it wasn't a good thing morally what he did. Gom already showed that they are applying double standards regarding whether to punish players or not, so in that regard they are in no position to preach to the players. So... meh, I could care less.
What the fuck is wrong with you? This isn't the same at all, Coca was letting a friend through by throwing a game and GOM didn't force him to leave, his team, SlayerS did. Naniwa's game had no effect on anything, and he also already played an extremely impressive game vs Leenock.
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On December 14 2011 06:48 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:43 tuho12345 wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 TyrionSC2 wrote:On December 14 2011 06:21 babylon wrote:On December 14 2011 06:18 TyrionSC2 wrote:
Who is calling it strategy?
If he microed maybe, but he literally a moved his probes and took his hands off the keyboard. Did he literally take his hands off the keyboard? Well according to the casters he did. It wasn't showed on camera so I can't say for definite. Yes they did show it on the Korean stream. Hahaha, that's hilarious. I wonder if he'd 4-gated, a-moved his units, took his hands off his keyboard, and didn't warp in additional units -- I wonder then if the shitstorm would be a little smaller. Probably. Lol.
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 a video from the korean stream.
A bit funny that no one flamed Hero for going Nexus first in PvP, the chance of succeding with it is about equal to naniwas 7 probe rush I'd say : D
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On December 14 2011 07:07 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:05 Runar_121 wrote:I don't think it's such a big deal really... I wanna see Naniwa play his best. So I don't mind him leaving. It's not fun to see a player that u cheer for have nothing to win in a set of games. Boring to watch almost do you like watching progamers stream ladder or stream practice games? because Uhm.
Big Difference between streaming and tournament. On a stream u know that they have nothing to win from the start
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Naniwa should not be punished, as he didn't break any explicit rules. I would actually agree with a punishment if the tournament life of another player would have been on the line. But this game was inconsequential for all involved. Naniwa was just too honest about it.
Give him a warning and then move on, this is no time for tournament bans or similar measures. I have seen unsportsmanlike behavior a lot in the years I have followed e-sports, much of which did go unpunished, this is one of the more harmless examples.
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He should have done that 4-gate. Probe rushing is just like ff 10 secs in the game.
I dislike his behavior, but I don't really care too much.
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lol really shitty that he did that. I mean obviously we all knew it was for nothing at least in that tourney. But if he really wanted to not play he should have did something that at least made it looked like he cared. I actually did care about the results of the match since they have been building a little rivalry it seems.
But I do see why he thought him just doing probe rush was ok i guess....
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On December 14 2011 07:09 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:48 babylon wrote:On December 14 2011 06:43 tuho12345 wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 TyrionSC2 wrote:On December 14 2011 06:21 babylon wrote:On December 14 2011 06:18 TyrionSC2 wrote:
Who is calling it strategy?
If he microed maybe, but he literally a moved his probes and took his hands off the keyboard. Did he literally take his hands off the keyboard? Well according to the casters he did. It wasn't showed on camera so I can't say for definite. Yes they did show it on the Korean stream. Hahaha, that's hilarious. I wonder if he'd 4-gated, a-moved his units, took his hands off his keyboard, and didn't warp in additional units -- I wonder then if the shitstorm would be a little smaller. Probably. Lol. http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 a video from the korean stream. A bit funny that no one flamed Hero for going Nexus first in PvP, the chance of succeding with it is about equal to naniwas 7 probe rush I'd say : D
probably less. I would say.
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On December 14 2011 07:05 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:54 KoRStarvid wrote:On December 14 2011 06:48 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:44 KoRStarvid wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 rysecake wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 DrJohnFever wrote:
To be honest, you see this all the time in pro sports. Will the Packers, if they are 14-1 going into their last game, start all their top level players and play simply for the fans? No, because the game simply doesn't matter, and the outcome doesn't matter either. People can chill out. You're only seeing this from a westerners perspective. Try not being ignorant for once. Well, Naniwa isn't korean, and he never will be. They had Naniwa play a game which had no money on the line at all, and it doesn't matter then if the koreans expect gamers to be entertainers, cause at that moment (from Naniwas point of view) that game had nothing to do with Naniwa being a pro gamer. Naniwa wants to earn an income playing games, GSL had him play even though he wouldn't get one buck for it. guess where he's playing Korea. Guess who's in korea Koreans. Guess you have to deal with their ideals then, seriously. And why is that? GSL basically invites Naniwa to the tournament and then say "But if it goes down a certain way, you'll have to work for free". GSL wants to be international, well don't screw with international players then. And he knew that was a possibility beforehand and agreed to it, then shit all over GOM and everyone watching. Really embarrassing and childish, although I kind of expect it from Naniwa at this point.
Well that's Gom's fault for putting him in an impossible situation, because no one in their right mind turns down that opportunity.
It was a shitty game, yeah, but faaaar more interesting than any half-assed 4gate. This was real and a quite powerful statement that you can't treat professionals any way you want. It doesn't work this way in any other business and shouldn't either in SC2-competition.
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Naniwa is such a cop out with his reponses to these questions. Poor excuse. I really feel bad for QxG buying this guy's contract out.
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Holy shit people overreact. What he did was (possibly) offensive to Nestea, and there's nothing else wrong with it.
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