I'm not a huge Naniwa fan but I can say that I can understand his reasons. Nobody would have complained if he did another all-in build. People might have called it "exciting" even if it accomplished the same thing.

babylon

8765 Posts

December 13 2011 21:21 GMT

#822

On December 14 2011 06:18 TyrionSC2 wrote:
Who is calling it strategy?
If he microed maybe, but he literally a moved his probes and took his hands off the keyboard.

Did he literally take his hands off the keyboard?

zoLo

United States5896 Posts

December 13 2011 21:22 GMT

#823

This sort of situation is tricky since everyone sees it at a different angle. From naniwa's point of view, it was a pointless game, but I think he should have just played it out. A lot of people bought tickets for this event and the least he could have done was just play a semi-serious game. BUT the games' quality might not be the greatest and a probe rush is more entertaining depending on the person. Honestly, the Korean reaction is just because it is their culture. I believe it is disrespectful to not abide to their culture. To us non-Koreans, we can see Koreans as being picky and too serious, but to them, this is how they were raised. Korean, or Asian culture in general, has a strict emphasis on respect.

I am not too surprised that this has happened since naniwa's statements are questionable sometimes (or just socially awkward). It feels like he has a habit of not thinking too clearly before saying something. Of course, this can also be taken out of context by some journalists. In all, this should just be buried soon since it will just go in a circle. I think naniwa just needs to drop the whole 'everyone is out there to get me" attitude and just think what he is going to do.

DrJohnFever

Canada17 Posts

December 13 2011 21:25 GMT

#824

To be honest, you see this all the time in pro sports. Will the Packers, if they are 14-1 going into their last game, start all their top level players and play simply for the fans? No, because the game simply doesn't matter, and the outcome doesn't matter either. People can chill out.

AFSpeeDy

126 Posts

December 13 2011 21:25 GMT

#825

i dont understand that hate on Naniwa, basically it is the same with Idra in Europe. Everyone see him as bad boy (sure he raged earlier, but that was in the beginning and now, i dont see Idra raging

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PS: sry for my english

Raambo11

United States828 Posts

December 13 2011 21:25 GMT

#826

Ok wtf? Does anyone see the contradiction in his post? It seems the main reason he did it was because he didn't want the fans to see a game where the players weren't playing at their best, but how is this possibly better than no game at all? The most rediculous excuse I have seen. He said it himself, we pay for GSL (I pay for the GSL) to see the best games in the world. Very dissapointing to say the least, and I was impressed with his game against Leenock as well...

Edit: The sports analogy of sending out your second squad doesn't really hold any weight. If your usually on the bench your going to play your heart out so you can get recognition, there is the same amount of effort being put forth by the players in each case, whether they are usually starters or not.

rysecake

United States2632 Posts

December 13 2011 21:25 GMT

#827

On December 14 2011 06:25 DrJohnFever wrote:
To be honest, you see this all the time in pro sports. Will the Packers, if they are 14-1 going into their last game, start all their top level players and play simply for the fans? No, because the game simply doesn't matter, and the outcome doesn't matter either. People can chill out.

You're only seeing this from a westerners perspective. Try not being ignorant for once.

Shangiv

Australia45 Posts

December 13 2011 21:27 GMT

#828

lol playing half halfheartedly will still be better than probe rush, not a good excuse

oriboo

Israel2 Posts

December 13 2011 21:28 GMT

#829

such a looser

IcemanAsi

Israel681 Posts

December 13 2011 21:28 GMT

#830

On December 14 2011 05:44 seoul_kiM wrote:
Simply being able to play against Nestea and potentially learning something from him should have been enough of a motivation for a professional player to play out the last game to his fullest potential.

I had no problem with what he did but that's a good point you got there. If I had a change to play someone like Nestea, a three time GSL champion, I would consider it a freaking honor, not matter the situation. But maybe he gets to play him on ladder and stuff like that? Still, good point.

Jongl0

631 Posts

December 13 2011 21:29 GMT

#831

I don't see any problem with this, it wouldn't have been entertaining to watch either way imo since nothing is at stake.

stokes17

United States1411 Posts

December 13 2011 21:30 GMT

#832

GOM should not have a format where inconsequential games are possible.

at the very least just tier the 4th/5th prize money by a few hundred bucks... boom problem solved.

can't blame Nani, tilted and feeling like shit, for not wanting to let his fans down again by losing a 4th game especially when he had no reason to play. This kind of thing happens all the time in tournis, players are just a lil more subtle usually (1 base all in/proxy cheese)

But whatever, dood had a shitty day and wanted to just end it and go home, he still has Code S to worry about, I really don't see the issue. Blame the format not the player.

Also: Choya's tweet was pretty uncalled for, that's very insulting for a player who works as hard as nani... same for MVPs tweet-- want to talk about professionalism

striderxxx

Canada443 Posts

December 13 2011 21:30 GMT

#833

It's TOTALLY DIFFERENT! The Packers would be resting players to avoid injuries for later games, also the opponent might be trying out rookies to evaluate for the future. Naniwa's probe rush served no purpose for long-term goals like the Packers/or losing opponents other than pure selfishness.

kulviks

Denmark13 Posts

December 13 2011 21:30 GMT

#834

I think Nestea should be glad about this, Naniwa just saved him from beeing humiliated once again by Naniwa :D

Taug

United States146 Posts

December 13 2011 21:31 GMT

#835

so basically, mma raped him so bad he didnt wanna play anymore, shame shame.

striderxxx

Canada443 Posts

December 13 2011 21:32 GMT

#836

On December 14 2011 06:30 stokes17 wrote:

Also: Choya's tweet was pretty uncalled for, that's very insulting for a player who works as hard as nani... same for MVPs tweet-- want to talk about professionalism

I get the feeling that Nani is REALLY HATED by all Koreans. I wouldn't be surprised if Nani is unofficially blacklisted out of everything down the line.

TyrionSC2

United States411 Posts

December 13 2011 21:34 GMT

#837

On December 14 2011 06:21 babylon wrote:

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Did he literally take his hands off the keyboard?

Well according to the casters he did.
It wasn't showed on camera so I can't say for definite.

Prplppleatr

United States1518 Posts

December 13 2011 21:35 GMT

#838

On December 14 2011 05:29 CEO wrote:

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Even though he didn't break any rules? That seems silly.

I agree, silly as well as dumb. As someone has said, and as i have said, look at the the controversy/PR/entertainment this has got. For GOM to say they will never invite him is the same as shooting themselves in the foot, i mean think of how much hype korean v naniwa matches are going to get now..why would you say such a harsh thing, why not something like, "we will be modifying our rules to take actions such as this into account when inviting players to tournaments" then you aren't even singling Naniwa out and it sends a message to ALL progamers, not just Naniwa. The way they are handling this is simply singling him out which is WRONG. It is the act that people are mad about, not the person. Once again, Terrible decision that was not smart.

You have lost my support GOM.