Naniwa Interview - Blizzard Cup Group B - Page 40

marcelluspye

United States155 Posts

December 13 2011 20:47 GMT

#781

Usually, I can't stand naniwa, he just kind of annoys the hell out of me most of the time. At the same time, why should it matter that he threw away the game? Because it was being broadcast? I would understand if they were competing for the last spot in the bracket, if whoever won between them would still be in the tournament, then people would have the right to go "wtf, nani?" but as it stands, he was already pretty distraught over his losses, which I don't think he thought he deserved, and didn't want to spend the mental energy continuing to try pointlessly. Many people in this thread are saying that he has a responsibility to his team/sponsors to play out games. IMO, this is not true. He has the duty of trying his best to win, yes. But once he's already out of the tournament, with literally 0 chance of taking home the gold, he has no reason to put forth his last bit of mental effort into a pointless Bo1.

jianming

149 Posts

December 13 2011 20:48 GMT

#782

On December 14 2011 05:32 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Do I wish Naniwa had played a real game and it was epic and amazing.... of course.

Do I blame him for doing what he did??? Not at all.

Can you imagine if you were trying to pass the Bar exam to become a lawyer and you failed it, then they gave you another test that didn't mean a thing.... would you try your hardest? I'd probably just fill out C in every question. Then everyone starts yelling WELL YOU DIDN'T TAKE THAT TEST SERIOUSLY, EVEN THO IT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT!!! YOU SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BECOME A LAWYER NOW BECAUSE ITS HARD FOR YOU TO CARE ABOUT MEANINGLESS THINGS.

Ridiculous.

Players don't want to sign autographs after they lose games, you think they want to play meaningless games? Shit lets not stop here let's crucify every single player who didn't play their fucking MLG placement matches after they were eliminated(you know matches that actually meant something in the grand scheme of things)... but oh wait half of them don't even fucking show up. Get off your high horses and stop harping on Naniwa just because its Naniwa.

Terrible analogy, because you're forgetting that this game was watched by thousands of people, but I do see where youre coming from.

This year, the Davis Cup (Tennis) stopped playing out dead rubbers (the meaningless matches in the best of 5 series, after a team had alread won). I think SC2 tournaments need to follow suit. I should probably add though... at least the tennis players, in the past, played those matches out, and didnt just quit after 2 minutes.

Naniwa seems to have no honour and doesn't care about putting on a show for the fans/community. Some people care about that, some people don't.

pak150

United States531 Posts

December 13 2011 20:48 GMT

#783

I think Naniwa's new team should force him to do spend a certain amount of time per week doing PR training.

Clank

United States548 Posts

December 13 2011 20:48 GMT

#784

On December 14 2011 05:41 xlat wrote:
Naniwa is a PR genius.

The amount of PR he has made for Gom is huge, next time he plays everyone will tune in/pay for vods to watch the grudge matches. His new team has also been mentioned loads of time, as well as all sc2 reporting focusing on him for the last few days.

That match; best entertainment of the tournament so far.

strongly disagree. not all attention is good attention, and Im almost certain his new team does not appreciate being linked to this. When Tiger Woods was just being caught in his scandal, he was getting TONS of attention, yet companies still pulled their sponsorship because they didn't want to be linked with it. I haven't seen anyone saying they are now a naniwa fan after this, yet ive seen lots of people like myself who are no longer fans of his, so how is that good for him? Its not like he was a lesser known player who was trying to get his name out there, everyone already knew him. This right here is not PR genius at all

Acrofales

Spain18193 Posts

December 13 2011 20:51 GMT

#785

Imho this is no different from Barça playing with their entire b-team the last match of the champions league group stage... and is one helluva lot better than Dynamo Zagreb giving up entirely and losing their last match with 7-1, despite their normally impeccable defense at home: there was nothing at stake and neither Naniwa nor Nestea really cared... sure, probe rushes are dumb and don't give much show, but then again, so are 4-gates: if your heart's not in it, why bother?

Krogan

Sweden375 Posts

December 13 2011 20:51 GMT

#786

Has everyone forgotten that Idra drone rushed Jinro at GSL?

Swede

New Zealand853 Posts

December 13 2011 20:51 GMT

#787

On December 14 2011 05:33 CEO wrote:

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Yeah, but Naniwa didn't want to play this game.

Not what I was referring to. The person I was replying to sounded as if he was saying that games that aren't in a tournament setting aren't exciting for the viewer.

Utinni

Canada1196 Posts

December 13 2011 20:51 GMT

#788

On December 14 2011 02:27 KingPwny wrote:

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Just wondering if u saw his other games? Wow, lashing out on naniwa like that :O
Maybe u don't know this, but naniwa plays to win tournaments, not for money or fans. He isn't there to please you or me. Some find that bad (like urself) and others find that refreshing (me). The game wouldn't have been "real", it would have been kinda half assed from both players (they aren't gonna fish out their new BO's/Strats etc.) Nani apologised for his behaviour, and I think that's the end of it. As if others never ragequit, GG or play some weird strat cos they don't care (And if u ladder sir, I'm sure u know what I am talking about).

Clean ur mouth with soap!

He was at an invitational tourney... broadcasted on live TV. Yes, he already lost but thousands tuned in to see Nestea and Naniwa play. I could care less about Naniwa now, I'll watch his games maybe... but who cares about me...He has angered GSL, the fans who were at the games today and a lot of Korea(and the world)... I think that's really what he should be worried about. He's suppose to be a progamer for god sakes. Have a lil professionalism and learn where you are.

ParkwayDrive

United States328 Posts

December 13 2011 20:52 GMT

#789

bottom line is that i paid to watch nestea and naniwa duke it out. do i care if he was at 90% and not 100%? no because i had already paid knowing that there was the possibility of two players going 0-4. if he doesnt have the balls to be able to amp himself up for a match against nestea then i dont really care about naniwa anyways because that is quite sad. In the future i will not pay to see naniwa play, and if more players started doing this i would not pay to see them as well. tournaments know this which is why they wont invite this guy anymore. if enough players start doing this because they think its ok then enough viewers will stop paying and gomtv goes broke. econ 101 folks. sports are paid for by the fans so they are really all that matters.

askTeivospy

1525 Posts

December 13 2011 20:52 GMT

#790

lol naniwa

esports needs penalties and to enforce rules on players. SC1 had it good, it was actually professional and rules were enforced. There needs to be like actual fines if you want people to take players seriously and not dumb clowns playing in circuses commentated by people who love to spin everything as a positive. Right now players can do w/e the hell they want during a live broadcast game and get away with it, such a joke.

JayJay_90

Germany1632 Posts

December 13 2011 20:53 GMT

#791

I completely agree with what Naniwa said in this interview. I'm not too big of a fan of his personality, but he did nothing wrong today. I'm actually more satisfied with that probe rush than with a semi-serious game, where none of them (especially not Naniwa) would play even close to their best.

Swede

New Zealand853 Posts

December 13 2011 20:53 GMT

#792

On December 14 2011 05:51 Krogan wrote:
Has everyone forgotten that Idra drone rushed Jinro at GSL?

Correction: he 6 pooled and brought his workers. And that game was fucking close because 6 pool is a legitimate strategy in certain situations. Jinro won because IdrA missed a marine by like 2 zergling hits and it got in the bunker.

Also, that game was on Jungle Basin. 6 pooling was almost IdrA's best chance to win.

taLbuk

Madagascar1879 Posts

December 13 2011 20:53 GMT

#793

Lol, what an over reaction by the koreans, TIG article says GOM won't seed him into code A now ROFL. the korean community nitpicks over everything over their "honor", basically saying because naniwa probe rushed he was insulting them all.

funnily enough, if naniwa did this at MLG the crowd would be going wild hoping he had some super secret rush prepared.

Angry.Zerg

Mexico305 Posts

December 13 2011 20:54 GMT

#794

On December 14 2011 05:51 Krogan wrote:
Has everyone forgotten that Idra drone rushed Jinro at GSL?

6Pool != Drone rush

taLbuk

Madagascar1879 Posts

December 13 2011 20:55 GMT

#795

koreans (and a large amount of TL'ers) over reacting again, what a joke it would be if GOM doesn't seed him into gsl like the TIG article says.

Eurekastreet

1308 Posts

December 13 2011 20:55 GMT

#796

How dare you make an analogy that's not using the words Barca and Messi ? E-Sport is obviously soccer and anyone who thinks differently obviously knows nothing about korean culture.

babylon

8765 Posts

December 13 2011 20:56 GMT

#797

Overreaction. This is really, really ridiculous.

The only reason there's a shit-storm is because Naniwa didn't bother hiding the fact that he wasn't trying. Look, if he'd 4-gated, he still wouldn't have been trying, but nobody would've cared. It would've been a shitty show regardless.

rysecake

United States2632 Posts

December 13 2011 20:58 GMT

#798

On December 14 2011 05:56 babylon wrote:
Overreaction. This is really, really ridiculous.

The only reason there's a shit-storm is because Naniwa didn't bother hiding the fact that he wasn't trying. Look, if he'd 4-gated, he still wouldn't have been trying, but nobody would've cared. It would've been a shitty show regardless.

This isn't the first time he's done something like this. Not gg-ing in his first gsl probably didn't help win over the Koreans.

pookadin

Australia422 Posts

December 13 2011 21:01 GMT

#799

Naniwa made a farce of himself and the league. Why should he be invited back to GSL or Blizzard Cup. If the players in the league aren't giving it their all then what does that say about Blizzard Cup?