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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:11 azka wrote: This should have consequences, or this is going to be a precedent for worker rushing/droping games in major tournaments in a very cynic way. Why the hell would people worker rush if they play games that matter? Don't make people play games that don't matter and nobody will worker rush. | ||
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:08 PunkyBrewster wrote: Just like when 90% of the Koreans pulled out of NASL.. What a joke! They're a hypocritical society, they can screw over the foreign scene, but GOD FORBID someone is upset after a very disappointing performance. Korean society is about as backwards as they come. Naniwa is still in Nestea's head, good play by him. When the time actually comes and something is on the line, he'll know that at his best he can still win. Koreans take the "sport" seriously? But they'll drop out of a foreign event that BENT OVER BACKWARDS for them? They're full of shit. They also forget who saved their asses from the North in the 50's.. But they'll BITCH about United States Occupation, we spilled blood for a bunch of ungrateful yellow bellies. Ignorant child. Stop spitting hate. The drop out of the NASL was a move the players did not make but the organizations themselves. The organizations believed that they couldn't pay for all their players who would make the LAN event anyways because in the end it would have been mostly Koreans anyways. Your comment about the Korean War not only is ignorant and blasphemous but also you put those veterans who fought during the war to shame. Think for 2 seconds before the next time you turn into a keyboard warrior. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
Do I blame him for doing what he did??? Not at all. Can you imagine if you were trying to pass the Bar exam to become a lawyer and you failed it, then they gave you another test that didn't mean a thing.... would you try your hardest? I'd probably just fill out C in every question. Then everyone starts yelling WELL YOU DIDN'T TAKE THAT TEST SERIOUSLY, EVEN THO IT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT!!! YOU SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BECOME A LAWYER NOW BECAUSE ITS HARD FOR YOU TO CARE ABOUT MEANINGLESS THINGS. Ridiculous. Players don't want to sign autographs after they lose games, you think they want to play meaningless games? Shit lets not stop here let's crucify every single player who didn't play their fucking MLG placement matches after they were eliminated(you know matches that actually meant something in the grand scheme of things)... but oh wait half of them don't even fucking show up. Get off your high horses and stop harping on Naniwa just because its Naniwa. | ||
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CEO
Sweden16 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:29 Swede wrote: Also, if you need a game to occur within a tournament setting for it to be exciting then you have a shallow appreciation of the game. Some of the most exciting matches I've seen have just been replays from the ladder or custom matches. Yeah, but Naniwa didn't want to play this game. | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
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deviltask
Korea (South)3 Posts
WitchHunt >W <!! Just stop minding about koreans They love to pinch some helpless people without showing any mercy and that's just fine what you did was actually very hilerious | ||
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Batch
Sweden692 Posts
I'm actually glad he did this instead of just playing a crappy game just for the show. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:29 Asheshino wrote: I have read all the thread before post this: First, you people are horrible at making analogies. This can`t be compared to your wood league of football where you didnt quit because you are soo good and "pro". People saying that is the same that a professional team who doesnt play a match because they dont have the change to win. Naniwa played the match, he was there but he didnt tried hard. We see this shit all the time in football (i mean the one that you kick a ball with your foot) we see teams using theirs B-Teamers for matches that they does not care. We have seen the Barcelona not using Messi for Copa del Rey because they are keeping him for the Champions League, in the end they are saying "i could care less for Copa del Rey, Champions League is more importan"..they are not trying hard enough in Copa del Rey. People are ok with that, but in the other hand they are bitching about what Naniwa did. Bunch of hypocrites. Your analogy is not good either though. Even though Barcelona wasn't full of A-players, their B-Team actually tried to win the game. I don't have an opinion on what happened with Naniwa because I dont watch SC2 though. | ||
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Giriath
Sweden2412 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:17 keioh wrote: I disagree with Naniwa's conclusion : he does not deserve to be called a progamer after such behaviour. My feeling about him didn't change much after this reaction, even if I'm really disappointed. But a professional has to do his job. And a part of his job is to be an ambassador of his team. Another part is to being payed for play a game. Even if you are already eliminated, you have a team, sponsor that count on your image. He failed to do his job, therefore today he was a gamer, and only that. As he stated, he could have done a simple 4 gate all-in. Because he might even have won. This probe rush was also not very respectful of his opponent, without even considering his fans. Finally and I may seem harsh, but Naniwa should really keep for himself comments like "Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything". That is just a stupid sentence. You don't come and talk shit on another culture, even if you don't like/understand it. And I'd add : even more 1) in a game like sc2 2) where you are invited by another country, 3) payed by another country to play in their tournament. End of rant. I may have misinterpreted Naniwa's words. That incident is really not the end of the world, but it is non negligible, and I really hope Nani will understand the real weight his behaviour had this time. You clearly did not read the interview or think rationally about this. NaNiWa could not get motivated to play the game, so he had two options: he could either forfeit or play a mediocre game. He considered this and came to the conclusion that the viewers would feel more disappointed seeing a mediocre game than no game at all. It's up to your own preferences whether you would rather see a mediocre game or none at all, but don't say he didn't even considers the viewers. He was not invited or payed by GOM to play in this tournament; he earned his right to play in it by qualifying. GOM is not an organizer deserving of respect with this Blizzard Cup group stages format, because it forces professional players to make decisions like these (and don't delude yourself that other players feel motivated to do their best when they've lost 0-3 and have no chance of coming back), promotes mediocre games, unfair competition and even matchmaking in the case of a teammate or friend who has lost any chance of advancing playing one who has not. Looking at the facts and considering them rationally, NaNiWa's decision today was not a big deal, but GOM's flawed tournament structure certainly is. But targeting NaNiWa is a much more safe thing to do, and makes good PR with most of the community. Imagine if someone like Wolf or other individual players pointed out the flaws in GOM's tournament structure, oh they would be jumped too if everyone didn't make a collective decision to side against GOM and demand that such a flaw never occur again. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:29 Asheshino wrote: I have read all the thread before post this: First, you people are horrible at making analogies. This can`t be compared to your wood league of football where you didnt quit because you are soo good and "pro". People saying that is the same that a professional team who doesnt play a match because they dont have the change to win. Naniwa played the match, he was there but he didnt tried hard. We see this shit all the time in football (i mean the one that you kick a ball with your foot) we see teams using theirs B-Teamers for matches that they does not care. We have seen the Barcelona not using Messi for Copa del Rey because they are keeping him for the Champions League, in the end they are saying "i could care less for Copa del Rey, Champions League is more importan"..they are not trying hard enough in Copa del Rey. People are ok with that, but in the other hand they are bitching about what Naniwa did. Bunch of hypocrites. You're pretty funny. You talk about being horrible at analogies then come up with a horrible one. Football/Soccer/Basketball playing B teamers = Naniwa 4 gating or such Football/Soccer/Basketball not even showing up to the game or leaving the field after a couple minutes = What Naniwa did The second never happens and there would be consequences for doing so. | ||
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xlat
176 Posts
The amount of PR he has made for Gom is huge, next time he plays everyone will tune in/pay for vods to watch the grudge matches. His new team has also been mentioned loads of time, as well as all sc2 reporting focusing on him for the last few days. That match; best entertainment of the tournament so far. | ||
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:30 Paperplane wrote: Why the hell would people worker rush if they play games that matter? Don't make people play games that don't matter and nobody will worker rush. Haha I dont understand what that person was thinking also...why would people lose on purpose in a major tourny lolol | ||
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Asheshino
Colombia37 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:37 fabiano wrote: Your analogy is not good either though. Even though Barcelona wasn't full of A-players, their B-Team actually tried to win the game. I don't have an opinion on what happened with Naniwa because I dont watch SC2 though. The B-Team may tried to win the Game, but the Barcelona (as an organization) didnt, if they really wanted to win the game why dont they play with their best formation?...because they are not trying hard enough, because they think they are more important things that Copa del Rey. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:17 Vardant wrote: Are you kidding? How exactly was he supposed to know, this would happen? No rules were broken...you can't just make up a rule after somebody does something and punish them for it. They didn't "make up a rule." They hired him once and it's up to them whether they ever want to hire him again. | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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Asheshino
Colombia37 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:40 oxxo wrote: You're pretty funny. You talk about being horrible at analogies then come up with a horrible one. Football/Soccer/Basketball playing B teamers = Naniwa 4 gating or such Football/Soccer/Basketball not even showing up to the game or leaving the field after a couple minutes = What Naniwa did The second never happens and there would be consequences for doing so. So Football/Soccer/Basketball playing B teamers = Naniwa 4 gating or such but not working rush? Nice logic. | ||
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
How ridiculous would it be for basketball players to just air ball for the last 5 minutes of a championship game because they are down 0-3 in games and losing by 20 points. How ridiculous would it be if a baseball player just swung the bat three times missing on purpose because they were down 0-3 in games and losing in the 9th inning. When one becomes a professional in a sport or actually in any occupation they are given the task of doing what they do and giving it all. NaNiwa clearly didn't and he had his reasons. It's whether you believe that his reasons were a worthy excuse for his actions. His performance wasn't the greatest but he played well. If he was a real professional gamer he would have tried to beat Nestea with his play that day and try to learn something. Does NaNiwa just probe rush on the ladder? No. Does he gain anything from ladder games? Yes. He gains practice. Simply being able to play against Nestea and potentially learning something from him should have been enough of a motivation for a professional player to play out the last game to his fullest potential. Just the night before you saw Liquid Hero struggling but making the most of every situation. He didn't just bow out and bend over but rather played his all. That's why despite Hero's performance people give him respect. Perhaps Naniwa isn't a strong as individual as he should be for a professional at anything. You win sometimes and lose sometimes. He just looks like a bitch when he does something like this while losing and then taunts and yells when he's winning. It's just disappointing to see this happen at this level of play in a game that is suppose to bring eSports to a new level. | ||
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yummi
Poland48 Posts
I still consider you as one of my favorite players. | ||
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StrinterN
Denmark531 Posts
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:35 deviltask wrote: O wO Hey I'm korean >w <!!!!!!! AND I wanna say it's Kimchi man's racial spec WitchHunt >W <!! Just stop minding about koreans They love to pinch some helpless people without showing any mercy and that's just fine what you did was actually very hilerious Haha, I guess this is google translate? Though you seem to be trying to say that you think what Naniwa did was fine?  | ||
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