On December 14 2011 06:01 pookadin wrote: Naniwa made a farce of himself and the league. Why should he be invited back to GSL or Blizzard Cup. If the players in the league aren't giving it their all then what does that say about Blizzard Cup?
It says that they chose a really bad format for the group play is all.
On December 14 2011 05:41 xlat wrote: Naniwa is a PR genius.
The amount of PR he has made for Gom is huge, next time he plays everyone will tune in/pay for vods to watch the grudge matches. His new team has also been mentioned loads of time, as well as all sc2 reporting focusing on him for the last few days.
That match; best entertainment of the tournament so far.
strongly disagree. not all attention is good attention, and Im almost certain his new team does not appreciate being linked to this. When Tiger Woods was just being caught in his scandal, he was getting TONS of attention, yet companies still pulled their sponsorship because they didn't want to be linked with it. I haven't seen anyone saying they are now a naniwa fan after this, yet ive seen lots of people like myself who are no longer fans of his, so how is that good for him? Its not like he was a lesser known player who was trying to get his name out there, everyone already knew him. This right here is not PR genius at all
For Gom this probably is great in generating interest and traffic and building up for future grudge match hype.
Over-reacting and comparing something that happened in a sport, without breaking any rules, to a real life trauma (say, adultery) is questionable imo.
Naniwa is a dick thats all there is to it it was very disrespectful and i think the people that payed to watch it wanted to se a full match not a probe rush. even if the match was not full hearted match
On December 14 2011 05:41 xlat wrote: Naniwa is a PR genius.
The amount of PR he has made for Gom is huge, next time he plays everyone will tune in/pay for vods to watch the grudge matches. His new team has also been mentioned loads of time, as well as all sc2 reporting focusing on him for the last few days.
That match; best entertainment of the tournament so far.
I did not read all the comments (but quite few pages I did) and no one point out this. Now its like with Idra, earlier everyone had hoping he will quitting against hallucination and now everyone will be hoping Nani will probe rush.
And to comment on whole story. It was a little bit disrespectful to his opponent, but still its a playable "strategy" and sometimes such probe rush works (unfortunately in most cases on my play level - wood league - and not theirs).
On December 14 2011 05:51 Krogan wrote: Has everyone forgotten that Idra drone rushed Jinro at GSL?
Correction: he 6 pooled and brought his workers. And that game was fucking close because 6 pool is a legitimate strategy in certain situations. Jinro won because IdrA missed a marine by like 2 zergling hits and it got in the bunker.
Also, that game was on Jungle Basin. 6 pooling was almost IdrA's best chance to win.
What he said. Though slight correction, the marine had I believe 5 hp, and the reason the marine even got to the bunker is because jinro accidentally canceled the marine. By canceling the marine and having to restart its production time he threw off Idras sense of timing, when idra had a perfect surround on the rax to make sure the marine wouldn't have gotten away. So yeah that is not even remotely close to sending all your workers with nothing else and losing on purpose.
On December 14 2011 04:28 Triarier wrote: Game was pointless. Better throwing it away with something funny like a proberush than to 4-Gate.
It is the same in Soccer World Championships. After a team is on 6-0 and secured first position in its group, you can watch a horrible B-Team 90 minutes long.
I like Naniwa's way more.
So this game was "pointless," but CoCa plays in another tournament throws a game to Byun and gets his Code S spot taken away in something that had nothing to do with GOM. That is unfair to CoCa if Naniwa has nothing happen to him because he says it was "pointless" while CoCa was "wanting one more game for practice."
You do know that Nani's match versus Nestea held no significane while CoCa's did? Don't speak about things you don't know anything about.
So it is still a match that he should have tried in, you didn't see HerO throw his last match away because he was 0-3 did you?
Why complain about missing out on one match when the very situation that led to Naniwa's forfeit also led to tiebreakers and three extra games, or a net profit of two games?
On December 14 2011 06:01 pookadin wrote: Naniwa made a farce of himself and the league. Why should he be invited back to GSL or Blizzard Cup. If the players in the league aren't giving it their all then what does that say about Blizzard Cup?
Such BS. He gave everything the 3 games before. This game was about the same as having to play the 4th game in a best of 5 when you just lost the first 3.
people forget that naniwa is the socially awkward penguin.... he was just upset about hiss loses and didn't think about the consequence. he made a mistake, that's it. people should stop flaming him
On December 14 2011 05:56 babylon wrote: Overreaction. This is really, really ridiculous.
The only reason there's a shit-storm is because Naniwa didn't bother hiding the fact that he wasn't trying. Look, if he'd 4-gated, he still wouldn't have been trying, but nobody would've cared. It would've been a shitty show regardless.
This isn't the first time he's done something like this. Not gg-ing in his first gsl probably didn't help win over the Koreans.
His PR is shit -- that's true -- but it doesn't really change the fact that the only thing he did "wrong," so to speak, was to deprive the audience of a "real match." Whether or not it would've been a real match anyways is even arguable; neither had anything to gain. NesTea says he was prepared to play the match out to its honest conclusion, but honestly, subconsciously, he still wouldn't have been playing anywhere near his best. It ended up being a glorified showmatch. This happens all the time anyways; you can't control how a player feels, whether or not he tilts, what he decides to do on the fly. There are so many factors that affect a player's decisions
People blaming the format are omitting one thing: as far as I know, when Naniwa entered this tournament, he agreed to play by the rules of this tournament. Even if that match seemed pointless, blaming the format is unfair to say the least. As a progamer, you're supposed to play by the rules.
People are just hating because it's me who did it.
Ok I think this sentence says everything that needed to be said. It clearly reflects Naniwa's attitude and mindset.
Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything , it's going ridiculously far to say that I dont deserve to be called a progamer and such for this kind of thing.
This is a bit disrespectful and shortsighted in my opinion. Now granted, I don't expect him to have an objective point of view on this matter, but still, he ought to recognize that the koreans certainly have a point.
He shouldn't have done it for many reasons. He let the sponsers down, gom, he's team, he's opponent, he's fans. But theres no reason for him to play it out. You might say "he should have done it for the fans". From his point of view he didn't let us down. He wouldn't have given a better game if he played it out. He still wouldn't care, that wouldn't change. He would give us a game that would be as bad as the one he gave us.So insteed of wasting our and his opponent time with a pointless game he threw it away. There was no need for him to play it out, so he didn't.
There is no reason for any of you to bash on him. He threw a way a pointless game. So what? It's a pointless match why do you care? It literally made no difference. "It would be a epic game he let his fans down, whine whine". Really like there isn't enough sc2 to watch already. You wanna complain about a single game. Why? I can't see why. If naniwa is going to take consequences for what he did, he will. It doesn't concern you. Let him deal with it. You can support him or you can bitch about nothing. Saying that you lost respect for him, fine that's your opinon. But saying he's making a bad example for the community, get real. It's the fans who make the community. If you want the sc2 community to look good. You better think careful how you behave. It's not just the players, it's also the fans, just keep that in mind.
On December 14 2011 05:51 Krogan wrote: Has everyone forgotten that Idra drone rushed Jinro at GSL?
Correction: he 6 pooled and brought his workers. And that game was fucking close because 6 pool is a legitimate strategy in certain situations. Jinro won because IdrA missed a marine by like 2 zergling hits and it got in the bunker.
Also, that game was on Jungle Basin. 6 pooling was almost IdrA's best chance to win.
What he said. Though slight correction, the marine had I believe 5 hp, and the reason the marine even got to the bunker is because jinro accidentally canceled the marine. By canceling the marine and having to restart its production time he threw off Idras sense of timing, when idra had a perfect surround on the rax to make sure the marine wouldn't have gotten away. So yeah that is not even remotely close to sending all your workers with nothing else and losing on purpose.
Agree -- also, the IdrA / Jinro game was on Jungle Basin, so 6 pooling made sense given how horrible that map was for ZvT. Better to have a small chance of winning early than no chance of winning late.
On December 14 2011 06:01 pookadin wrote: Naniwa made a farce of himself and the league. Why should he be invited back to GSL or Blizzard Cup. If the players in the league aren't giving it their all then what does that say about Blizzard Cup?
Such BS. He gave everything the 3 games before. This game was about the same as having to play the 4th game in a best of 5 when you just lost the first 3.
That is exactly what this is. Imagine Leenock vs. Jjakji game 7. Do you really imagine that Leenock (or Jjakji for that matter) would've given a flying fuck about that game? That is why that game wasn't played: nobody gave a shit about the outcome. The same happens here. Now, if Nestea still was a rival for a seed it would've been different and you could say that Naniwa should've tried and shown some professionalism, but the fact was that there was absolutely NOTHING on the line for either player. Might as well get it over with quickly and move on to more important matters, rather than wasting time on an unwanted showmatch.
On December 14 2011 05:29 Asheshino wrote: I have read all the thread before post this:
First, you people are horrible at making analogies. This can`t be compared to your wood league of football where you didnt quit because you are soo good and "pro".
People saying that is the same that a professional team who doesnt play a match because they dont have the change to win. Naniwa played the match, he was there but he didnt tried hard. We see this shit all the time in football (i mean the one that you kick a ball with your foot) we see teams using theirs B-Teamers for matches that they does not care. We have seen the Barcelona not using Messi for Copa del Rey because they are keeping him for the Champions League, in the end they are saying "i could care less for Copa del Rey, Champions League is more importan"..they are not trying hard enough in Copa del Rey. People are ok with that, but in the other hand they are bitching about what Naniwa did.
Bunch of hypocrites.
What an ridiculous comparison, there is a HUGE difference between not giving a shit and throwing a game, using B-teamers/saving messi from a game has NOTHING to do with what happened. A more accurate one would be barcelona getting the ball and purposely scoring 5 own goals, and rest assured, if that happened, Barcelona would face severe punishment, and the fans would be disguted, thats what Nani did.
Its funny, we nerds are always complaining on how SC2 never gets the attention it deserves, that is so big and awesome and professional that someday might even rival with other major sports(lol, btw).
Well, its because of these kind of actions, and everyone who supports it(aka fans, aka YOU) that SC2 will NEVER, EVER, be nothing more than ''a game'', it doesn't matter if he was already eliminated, it doesn't matter if the game had no importance rank wise, he is a PROFESSIONAL player, he has an OBLIGATION to play.
As said before, In any other sport out there (baseball, football, whatever) if BULLSHIT like that happened, the team/player would face SEVERE punishment, fans would be offended, but since this is just ''a game'' it doens't really matter, pathetic.
On December 14 2011 06:08 Al Bundy wrote: People blaming the format are omitting one thing: as far as I know, when Naniwa entered this tournament, he agreed to play by the rules of this tournament. Even if that match seemed pointless, blaming the format is unfair to say the least. As a progamer, you're supposed to play by the rules.
I really doubt he thought about this scenario where he could end up in a pointless match.. But really..30min after being kicked out of a major tournament. Not everyone would be able to cope, and play a good match. Naniwa couldnt cope he didnt play , it was not nice but i dont think his intention was to BM or disrespect anyone. Get over it really.
So Naniwa, a popular foreign player, lost 2 hard fought games and was clearly disheartened. So he "threw" the last match depriving a popular Korean player his last hoorah and every one jumps on Naniwa's case for it? If there was nothing to gain and nothing to lose, is it merely an argument of paying customers being entertained? Or is it because Naniwa slapped Nestea in the face by not giving a damn about the game? These days it seems like this community is just out for blood and more often then not its Foreigners that are in the wrong
On December 14 2011 06:01 pookadin wrote: Naniwa made a farce of himself and the league. Why should he be invited back to GSL or Blizzard Cup. If the players in the league aren't giving it their all then what does that say about Blizzard Cup?
Such BS. He gave everything the 3 games before. This game was about the same as having to play the 4th game in a best of 5 when you just lost the first 3.
That is exactly what this is. Imagine Leenock vs. Jjakji game 7. Do you really imagine that Leenock (or Jjakji for that matter) would've given a flying fuck about that game? That is why that game wasn't played: nobody gave a shit about the outcome. The same happens here. Now, if Nestea still was a rival for a seed it would've been different and you could say that Naniwa should've tried and shown some professionalism, but the fact was that there was absolutely NOTHING on the line for either player. Might as well get it over with quickly and move on to more important matters, rather than wasting time on an unwanted showmatch.
why are you talking about hypothetical game 7?
Naniwa knew the format and agreed to play in it.
Suddenly, Naniwa and buch of foregin fans find it stupid after he goes 0-3.
i guess some people have pride in what they do. though this is blown out of proportion probably because the foreign community loves non koreans so much i am syill disappointed in naniwas lack of respect and effort.
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