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Naniwa Interview - Blizzard Cup Group B - Page 38

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Xeteh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States589 Posts
December 13 2011 20:05 GMT
#741
Man, who would want to play a meaningless game after failing to advance in a big tournament you've been preparing for? Naniwa is known for skipping tournaments to focus on the big ones and when you go out without a win and are expected to play another match... really? Give the guy a break.
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
December 13 2011 20:06 GMT
#742
On December 14 2011 05:01 Keone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:59 Inverse1 wrote:
Jeez people need to chill out about this, a pro player had a mental collapse after getting beaten in some very had fought games, that is all. People saying he isn't a pro because of this isn't justified at all. Pros in every sport have mental collapses, what makes them pros is that they can pick themselves up out of that very tough mental position, and be back to playing well in such a short space of time. He essentially through the match - fine. But, for example, look at John McEnroe and some of the mental breakdowns he had on the tennis court over the years; in a 1v1 sport of any kind, any mental breakdown is essentially handing the match to your opponent. But to try and suggest that John McEnroe did not deserve to be a professional player is ludicrous, and the same is true in Naniwa's case.

John McEnroe doesn't come to a match, spit on the court opposite his opponent, and leave. He rages but has the professionalism to finish his matches. Horrible argument.


The thing is tho...... i don't think McEnroe played any matches that didn't matter in a tournament.
PunkyBrewster
Profile Joined October 2011
22 Posts
December 13 2011 20:08 GMT
#743
On December 14 2011 04:56 Rhine wrote:
idra not playing his MLG games isn't really the same. Those games were not streamed or casted or anything really. In addition, this is a Korean tournament and they care a lot about respect for the game, the players and the fans.


Just like when 90% of the Koreans pulled out of NASL.. What a joke! They're a hypocritical society, they can screw over the foreign scene, but GOD FORBID someone is upset after a very disappointing performance. Korean society is about as backwards as they come. Naniwa is still in Nestea's head, good play by him. When the time actually comes and something is on the line, he'll know that at his best he can still win.


Koreans take the "sport" seriously? But they'll drop out of a foreign event that BENT OVER BACKWARDS for them? They're full of shit. They also forget who saved their asses from the North in the 50's.. But they'll BITCH about United States Occupation, we spilled blood for a bunch of ungrateful yellow bellies.


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dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
December 13 2011 20:08 GMT
#744
Dont be hatin guys. Naniwa still good
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Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 20:11:50
December 13 2011 20:11 GMT
#745
This should have consequences, or this is going to be a precedent for worker rushing/droping games in major tournaments in a very cynic way.
You play to win
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
December 13 2011 20:15 GMT
#746
On December 14 2011 04:46 HalloniKanada wrote:
IdrA hasn't been getting a lot of hate lately, did they change focus?

Seriously though, Naniwa (and IdrA) forever!


Ya, honestly, all this unnecessary hate Naniwa is receiving now just makes me want to support him more in the future.
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CEO
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden16 Posts
December 13 2011 20:15 GMT
#747
On December 14 2011 04:56 Rhine wrote:
Koreans take the "sport" seriously? But they'll drop out of a foreign event that BENT OVER BACKWARDS for them? They're full of shit. They also forget who saved their asses from the North in the 50's.. But they'll BITCH about United States Occupation, we spilled blood for a bunch of ungrateful yellow bellies.

LOL.They dropped out of NASL because they hate the US army? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
December 13 2011 20:17 GMT
#748
I disagree with Naniwa's conclusion : he does not deserve to be called a progamer after such behaviour. My feeling about him didn't change much after this reaction, even if I'm really disappointed. But a professional has to do his job. And a part of his job is to be an ambassador of his team. Another part is to being payed for play a game. Even if you are already eliminated, you have a team, sponsor that count on your image. He failed to do his job, therefore today he was a gamer, and only that. As he stated, he could have done a simple 4 gate all-in. Because he might even have won.

This probe rush was also not very respectful of his opponent, without even considering his fans. Finally and I may seem harsh, but Naniwa should really keep for himself comments like "Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything". That is just a stupid sentence. You don't come and talk shit on another culture, even if you don't like/understand it. And I'd add : even more 1) in a game like sc2 2) where you are invited by another country, 3) payed by another country to play in their tournament.

End of rant. I may have misinterpreted Naniwa's words. That incident is really not the end of the world, but it is non negligible, and I really hope Nani will understand the real weight his behaviour had this time.
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darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
December 13 2011 20:18 GMT
#749
Can anyone tell me what, if any, actions or punishment GOM took in response? I read somewhere that they had given their response but have not found anywhere what it actually was. Anyone?
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
December 13 2011 20:22 GMT
#750
On December 14 2011 05:18 darkest44 wrote:
Can anyone tell me what, if any, actions or punishment GOM took in response? I read somewhere that they had given their response but have not found anywhere what it actually was. Anyone?


They decided they will never invite Naniwa to an invitational tournament.
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modesttoss
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
December 13 2011 20:22 GMT
#751
Naniwa doesn't really deserve any of the hate being thrown at him. Both him and Nestea were 0-3, neither were going to advance. Naniwa still played the game. He probe rushed. Nestea drone rushed Losira in the GSL July Code S finals. People do it all the time. The only reason people are so emotional over the incident is because it's Naniwa. They find him an easy target because of his past.

He's human. He has emotions. Others would have done the same thing given the situation. Cut him some slack. :/
toofaraway
Profile Joined March 2011
United States15 Posts
December 13 2011 20:23 GMT
#752
I think it's important to keep in mind Naniwa's mindset after these games. It's very easy as a spectator to say "He should have played it out! I wanted to watch more games!". If you expected games of even nearly the same quality, though, you would have been entirely disappointed. He was already feeling absolutely crushed having just played so many close games. His heart wasn't in it. I think most of this community has been really angry after losing a lot, frustrated, and play horribly because of it. Now imagine you practice ten hours a day, and you just lost a tournament and are told to play a meaningless game. How many people can honestly say that they'd play their best and make a real game out of it?
tlin
Profile Joined December 2011
25 Posts
December 13 2011 20:23 GMT
#753
On December 14 2011 05:11 azka wrote:
This should have consequences, or this is going to be a precedent for worker rushing/droping games in major tournaments in a very cynic way.

People have been dropping irrelevant games for a long time. A half-assed all-in several times in a row is just less blatant than a probe rush is all.
Why do you think IdrA, Tyler, HuK, Morrow etc are saying it's no big deal?

It's all just about appearances.
In actuality it has about as much to do with Korean "honor" as the average SC2 witch hunt has to do with real wrongs being committed.
Koreans themselves throw showmatches all the time (see HuK vs NesTea for an example) and no one gives them shit as long as they say they were trying to "show a fun game" irregardless if they're actually mothership rushing or going with a 6pool all-in.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 13 2011 20:26 GMT
#754
I dont get why people are making such a big deal about this. Apparently some people just want to hate on Naniwa. He was in a terrible position after losing the first three games and I can understand his mindset after losing to a proxy thor all in from MMA just a little while earlier. His actions did not effect the chances of anyone else in the group and in my opinion it is within his rights to play out a game however he wants.
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 13 2011 20:28 GMT
#755
There certainly were less of a shitty storm when hero threw his game against DRG yesterday. Is pretending like you're making an effort really that important?
hefty
Profile Joined January 2005
Denmark555 Posts
December 13 2011 20:29 GMT
#756
On December 14 2011 05:01 Keone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:59 Inverse1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Jeez people need to chill out about this, a pro player had a mental collapse after getting beaten in some very had fought games, that is all. People saying he isn't a pro because of this isn't justified at all. Pros in every sport have mental collapses, what makes them pros is that they can pick themselves up out of that very tough mental position, and be back to playing well in such a short space of time. He essentially through the match - fine. But, for example, look at John McEnroe and some of the mental breakdowns he had on the tennis court over the years; in a 1v1 sport of any kind, any mental breakdown is essentially handing the match to your opponent. But to try and suggest that John McEnroe did not deserve to be a professional player is ludicrous, and the same is true in Naniwa's case
.

John McEnroe doesn't come to a match, spit on the court opposite his opponent, and leave. He rages but has the professionalism to finish his matches. Horrible argument.


I find your arguments horrible. Where does this get us? Nowhere - just make up your own mind about naniwa and move on.

People don't give a 100% all time, noone ever did. Giving a 100% is something coaches talk about when they try to motivate their players. If professionals gave it a 100 % each time there would be no "home stadium effect" or whatever that's called. Also, you believe in santa.
CEO
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden16 Posts
December 13 2011 20:29 GMT
#757
On December 14 2011 05:22 Prplppleatr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 05:18 darkest44 wrote:
Can anyone tell me what, if any, actions or punishment GOM took in response? I read somewhere that they had given their response but have not found anywhere what it actually was. Anyone?


They decided they will never invite Naniwa to an invitational tournament.

Even though he didn't break any rules? That seems silly.
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
December 13 2011 20:29 GMT
#758
On December 14 2011 04:44 CEO wrote:
Games from which no player gains anything aren't part of the actual tournament. The Nestea-Naniwa game was only part of the event. So Naniwa is right, it wouldn't have been a particularly exciting game.

People should be annoyed at the organizers instead. They're the ones who decided not to have a loser's bracket.


I don't think that it would have necessarily been a bad game. If any of Boxer, Nada or July were in that situation they still would have tried to play their best. That's how they got where they are.

Naniwa's reasoning that 'unless I have something to play for I can't play my best' is just an excuse. The only thing that's stopping him from playing his best is his choice not to. To pretend that it's some external factor is just delusion.

Also, if you need a game to occur within a tournament setting for it to be exciting then you have a shallow appreciation of the game. Some of the most exciting matches I've seen have just been replays from the ladder or custom matches.
Asheshino
Profile Joined July 2011
Colombia37 Posts
December 13 2011 20:29 GMT
#759
I have read all the thread before post this:

First, you people are horrible at making analogies. This can`t be compared to your wood league of football where you didnt quit because you are soo good and "pro".

People saying that is the same that a professional team who doesnt play a match because they dont have the change to win. Naniwa played the match, he was there but he didnt tried hard. We see this shit all the time in football (i mean the one that you kick a ball with your foot) we see teams using theirs B-Teamers for matches that they does not care. We have seen the Barcelona not using Messi for Copa del Rey because they are keeping him for the Champions League, in the end they are saying "i could care less for Copa del Rey, Champions League is more importan"..they are not trying hard enough in Copa del Rey. People are ok with that, but in the other hand they are bitching about what Naniwa did.

Bunch of hypocrites.

Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 13 2011 20:29 GMT
#760
On December 14 2011 05:28 m0ck wrote:
There certainly were less of a shitty storm when hero threw his game against DRG yesterday. Is pretending like you're making an effort really that important?


Apparently. Tyler already said that this is a really common thing to do.

What don't people get about this? Its common. Many people do it. Naniwa just didn't put on a fake show and chose not to 4gate.
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